2013 Draft Thread Part 2

[Jarlaxle0204]

I still think Burke is going to be Orlando's pick. I think McLemore is going to be that guy that drops a few more picks than he should in this draft. Not plummet like PJ3, but could drop to 5 or 6 when he really should be 1 or 2.

I'm just curious if Burke goes early and T'Wolves don't move up and Oladipo and McLemore are both available who would we take?

I don't know who we would take but I would take Oladipo over McLemore. If we wind up with McLemore I will still be very happy. It's really one of these two or bust this year imo.

[gaspar]

Williams+9 to Charlotte for #4 seems pretty likely to me

Can that work salary wise? Williams makes 5 mil per year. I hope Charlotte falls in love with either Len or Bennett.

Yes, Charlotte is well under the cap so they can absorb salary. But Minnesota is unlikely to deal Williams AND a pick just to move up 5 spots in a weak draft. Williams was playing some good ball the last couple of months of the season when he started getting 30 minutes + a game. He's just got more value than that

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... elog/2013/

No, the Bobcats are only $0.7M under the cap. They can't take on D-Will's salary without sending someone to Minny.

If Minnesota is considering such a move, the Suns should swap picks and pick up Williams even if it cost them a Morris twin, or both of them for that matter.

Hell no, Williams is a scrub.

[gaspar]

His numbers the first two years were very similar to Paul George's #s his first two years

His numbers were also very similar to Markieff Morris.

I just think it would be crazy for a team to give up on a #2 pick that fast. Remember Williams was much more impressive in college than anyone in this year's draft.

It doesn't matter how good he was in college or how high he was drafted. He's been in the NBA for two years and he's shown nothing to warrant being a #2 pick.

[King4Day]

Williams+9 to Charlotte for #4 seems pretty likely to me

I think the only chance Minny has at moving up is by packaging both as you state.
I don't think Orlando would do it. I believe they will end up with McLemore.
Charlotte actually makes a ton of sense if Minny is willing to trade Williams and the 9 for the 4.
Beyond that, the 'Wolves don't have anything else of value they'd be willing to trade.

[JMac1]

I have the worst feeling this is going to happen

Spurs win the title
Duncan comes back and says it's his last year
Duncan gets hurt after 5 games, career over (that would be sad if he went out like that)
Spurs trade Manu for someone under the radar good/young
Spurs win the lottery, select Wiggins.

Every Suns fan kills themselves.

I wouldn't kill myself....but boy would I raise holy hell if they or the Lakers got the first pick in the draft and we never have in 44 years!!! That is what happens when your success means Lakers failure........Gotta keep the rich and powerful Laker fan base happy...us hillbillies don't matter to the NBA!!

[bwgood77]

His numbers the first two years were very similar to Paul George's #s his first two years

His numbers were also very similar to Markieff Morris.

I just think it would be crazy for a team to give up on a #2 pick that fast. Remember Williams was much more impressive in college than anyone in this year's draft.

It doesn't matter how good he was in college or how high he was drafted. He's been in the NBA for two years and he's shown nothing to warrant being a #2 pick.

Morris' numbers are quite a bit worse. I mention how good he was in college because people seem to value other college players (who were not as good) very highly right now, that have zero nba experience. Trading a guy who was better at the college level and has two years experience for unknown commodities (especially for just a chance to move up a few spots) probably isn't a wise move.

The majority of players show what they are near the end of their rookie contracts. Only a handful contribute a great deal early, especially if they are playing behind a guy like Kevin Love. But like I said, Derrick Williams DID play well the last couple of months this season.

When he got 30+ minutes, he averaged 20 and 8 (and shot the ball well), so those would be reasonable low end expectations if he became a full time starter. Here are his #s when he had 30+ minutes.

http://bkref.com/tiny/2rKmC

[rsavaj]

I think Williams will be a decent player in the future. Maybe not #2 worthy, but he'd go pretty high in this year's draft.

Problem is that Minny wants Oladipo, and we want Oladipo too...so there's not a good shot at making a trade with them unless they suddenly become enamored with a guy like Anthony Bennett.

[wheezy]

In case anyone is worried the Suns aren't somehow going to end up with Oladipo, just remember he has a twin sister named Victoria.

http://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/PJ-BN046_SP_TWI_DV_20130311190453.jpg

[jcsunsfan]

In case anyone is worried the Suns aren't somehow going to end up with Oladipo, just remember he has a twin sister named Victoria.

http://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/PJ-BN046_SP_TWI_DV_20130311190453.jpg

You've got to be kidding. Just like Shawn Marion's twin sister Shawnette? (I am not joking here)

[Kerrsed]

I think Williams will be a decent player in the future. Maybe not #2 worthy, but he'd go pretty high in this year's draft.

Problem is that Minny wants Oladipo, and we want Oladipo too...so there's not a good shot at making a trade with them unless they suddenly become enamored with a guy like Anthony Bennett.

I decided to post it in the trade thread, but this could be the answer to our problems:

viewtopic.php?f=27&t=1253691&p=36061499#p36061499

[bwgood77]

I think Williams will be a decent player in the future. Maybe not #2 worthy, but he'd go pretty high in this year's draft.

Problem is that Minny wants Oladipo, and we want Oladipo too...so there's not a good shot at making a trade with them unless they suddenly become enamored with a guy like Anthony Bennett.

I'm not saying I want to necessarily trade with them. I'm mainly saying I think Williams has much more value than as a tool to move up 5 spots in the draft, so I'll be surprised if he gets dealt with the 9 just to move to 4.

Ultimately I'd be happy with Oladipo or McLemore. If we could get D-Will AND Pope though, I'd be happy with that as well. The three guards comps are pretty similar http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compar ... or-oladipo

Oladipo is the best player right now, but he's also had three years in college, so the other two likely have much more upside. And of course Oladipo wasn't as good as McLemore as a freshman or Pope as a sophomore.

[bwgood77]

moved response to trade thread

[ShawnBronald]

McDonough interested in acquiring another first round pick: http://arizonasports.com/?sid=1640317&nid=41

[thamadkant]

McDonough saying "undervalue" in that article make me think he is intrigued by Shabazz.

Also McCollum... Or even Zeller and Gobert... Lol


Hmmm

[DirtyDez]

Bye bye Marcin. I'm thinking that 10-16 range. Would love Adams in that area.

[ShawnBronald]

Bye bye Marcin. I'm thinking that 10-16 range. Would love Adams in that area.

Definitely a possibility. I think it would be great to draft a young center with potential and, if possible, resign O'Neal to help mentor him. I'd also keep Haddadi since he's a great 3rd string center and nice insurance policy with Jermaine's injury history.

[Kerrsed]

McDonough saying "undervalue" in that article make me think he is intrigued by Shabazz.

I agree, thats what it sounds like to me. I think we would have to nab a either the #9 or #10 as i think The Wolves or the Blazers would definitely think real hard about taking him there. I really dont see him falling mid to late 1st round like some of the current mocks have him at.

[JMac1]

McDonough saying "undervalue" in that article make me think he is intrigued by Shabazz.

Also McCollum... Or even Zeller and Gobert... Lol


Hmmm

Wow!! If this happens......

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L09qnRfZY-k[/youtube]

[JohnVancouver]

If Noel is available you have to take him at 5, and the thought that he won't be available for a while kind of works in terms of the '14 draft, tough as it is to go through another 20+ win year. But - no-one you add this year is going to change that and ..... Wiggins

That's why I think getting a lotto pick back for the Gortat is the way to go, load up on young talent and let them learn on the court. Keep JYD to school them so the losing doesn't kill their spirit and so they don't develop bad habits and attitude. Just bite the bullet a couple years.

Look at what the C's did when they amassed a nice young crop of guys - turned it into rings

[Kerrsed]

If Noel is available you have to take him at 5, and the thought that he won't be available for a while kind of works in terms of the '14 draft, tough as it is to go through another 20+ win year. But - no-one you add this year is going to change that and ..... Wiggins

That's why I think getting a lotto pick back for the Gortat is the way to go, load up on young talent and let them learn on the court. Keep JYD to school them so the losing doesn't kill their spirit and so they don't develop bad habits and attitude. Just bite the bullet a couple years.

Look at what the C's did when they amassed a nice young crop of guys - turned it into rings