Official Trade Thread: New Year, New Thread, New Laughs

[Revived]

A 20 year old in his second season with no shot and undersized at the two guard position has no right to talk about the front office decisions. Even if one agrees/disagrees what they've done, he needs to relax. Seriously, Archie has done nothing in this league. He won MVP at NBDL championship game and wants to talk about the front office moves? LOL go somewhere with that. He didnt even deserve that MVP. Barron is the guy that outplayed everyone. Shooting 20% in outside shots is flat out terrible for a shooting guard.

He's 6'5 he isn't undersized to play SG.

And being a bad 3pt shooter sure hasn't slowed down DeMar DeRozan or Dwayne Wade's career. Goodwin just needs to find other ways to score and he already has, its near impossible to stop him from penetrating and getting to the rim to draw a foul or for the dunk/layup.

Those are two guys that have killer midrange shots... They have step backs, post ups.. etc. Archie gets to the rim easy but it's not always as good as you think. Way too out of control and forcing. You may say Bledsoe forces, but he goes in with power and doesn't throw weak stuff up. I think where Archie will earn his minutes will be on defense. He will get his time. Once his body gets stronger and shot gets better he will get his. Might be another 1-2 seasons. Main thing, BE PATIENT and don't question any moves the front office makes.

I'm not saying he's as good as Wade or DeRozan but he has the potential to get there. He needs the playing time even if its 10-15 mins so that he can develop.

[They_Them_Hatin]

Hornets fan here what would it take to get Ennis, Goodwin and Plumlee? Mainly interested in the first two but BK may be interested in helping us get Lamb again if we give them Mason's brother . We need to upgrade out shooting and back up guard spots badly especially if we are losing Stephenson and hopefully we trade Neal. I would say Kemba, Biz, MKG, and Vonleuh are off limits. The first two you have no use for anyway .

Would Goodwin actually get playing time Charlotte?

Selfishly, I would like to see Goodwin traded to a team where he will have the opportunity to earn minutes. He deserves it, he's one of the hardest workers on the team.

If We do the Brooklyn deal we would loose Lance ,hopefully Cho could get us a 2nd from a contender and get rid of Neal and finally deal Henderson while he's been playing very well and has upped his value then he would get playing time . I would rather take a flyer on Goodwin than have Henderson.

[SunZel]

Why did Bullock stump you??? Randolph for Bullock was a no brainer for us. An Old scrub for a young first round pick who our GM liked at the draft

Yea he is a 23 year old guard could not find time on a team that needs wing help desperately. Doesn't make me too excited about him. Plus the dude will never see any minutes.

Just so much wrong with this. Don't know where to begin. Would you have turned down Shavlik for Stauskas, who also hasn't gotten much PT on a team desperate for guard play? It's SHAVLIK RANDOLPH. This was as no brainer as it gets.

Then If your getting traded for Shavlik Randolph then how good can you be? The back court is overcrowded as it is. Apparently they are going to send him to the d-league so by the time he gets an minutes he is going to be 26-27. Just a pointless move. The dude has no trade value so he is not even an asset.

[Cutter]

By nature I am not an alarmist, however I am starting to have a little concern about Hornacek having full control of this team:

1) Suns are one of the top teams getting called for technicals. From the twins constantly running their mouth, to Bledsoe and Hornacek himself getting T'd up at a high rate, this needs to stop. Of course the standard excuse is that everyone is playing with passion and that is driving the technicals, but that is BS. Horny needs to reign this in and establish authority and control of this team.

2) Marcus Morris aggressively, both in words and body language, going after Hornacek on the sidelines of a nationally televised game. All Marcus had to do was apologize and the event was over....no repercussions. Is Horny in control?

3) Archie Goodwin down in D-League talking to the media basically threatening he will ask for a trade if he doesn't get playing time next year, and expressing concern with the direction of the team. Not acceptable for Archie to do this, but I am sure there will be no accountability from Hornacek for this (I am an Archie fan btw).

4) Now scrubs like Miles Plumlee are demanding trades. This dude is a deep bench center with very marginal talent and is basically saying Hornacek is wrong to bench him and that he deserves playing time. I don't blame Hornacek for Miles asking to be traded, but it just seems to be another example of the players not really respecting the coach.

Help me guys. Am I off base with this concern and Hornacek is firmly in charge? Is this just low level turmoil inherent in a sport full of prima-donnas?

Or is the saying "where there is smoke there is fire" true in this case and Horny needs to become a stronger coach?

[Revived]

By nature I am not an alarmist, however I am starting to have a little concern about Hornacek having full control of this team:

1) Suns are one of the top teams getting called for technicals. From the twins constantly running their mouth, to Bledsoe and Hornacek himself getting T'd up at a high rate, this needs to stop. Of course the standard excuse is that everyone is playing with passion and that is driving the technicals, but that is BS. Horny needs to reign this in and establish authority and control of this team.

2) Marcus Morris aggressively, both in words and body language, going after Hornacek on the sidelines of a nationally televised game. All Marcus had to do was apologize and the event was over....no repercussions. Is Horny in control?

3) Archie Goodwin down in D-League talking to the media basically threatening he will ask for a trade if he doesn't get playing time next year, and expressing concern with the direction of the team. Not acceptable for Archie to do this, but I am sure there will be no accountability from Hornacek for this (I am an Archie fan btw).

4) Now scrubs like Miles Plumlee are demanding trades. This dude is a deep bench center with very marginal talent and is basically saying Hornacek is wrong to bench him and that he deserves playing time. I don't blame Hornacek for Miles asking to be traded, but it just seems to be another example of the players not really respecting the coach.

Help me guys. Am I off base with this concern and Hornacek is firmly in charge? Is this just low level turmoil inherent in a sport full of prima-donnas?

Or is the saying "where there is smoke there is fire" true in this case and Horny needs to become a stronger coach?

Your a 100% right.

I've been feeling the same way all season.

You should listen to Hornacek interviews. He says all the right stuff and is ALWAYS on point in regard to what we need to fix and what mistakes we need to correct.

And yet the next game the Suns make the same exact mistakes again.

Either Hornacek gives the media a different mantra than he gives his players or his players are tuning him out.

[BurningHeart]

Who the **** is Archie Goodwin to demand anything?

This is why the NBA is stupid as ****. Losers like Archie Goodwin and Miles Plumlee thinking they'te important enough to demand anything. Inmates running the asylum.

Know your roles and shut your mouths, jabronis.

[Sunsdeuce]

By nature I am not an alarmist, however I am starting to have a little concern about Hornacek having full control of this team:

1) Suns are one of the top teams getting called for technicals. From the twins constantly running their mouth, to Bledsoe and Hornacek himself getting T'd up at a high rate, this needs to stop. Of course the standard excuse is that everyone is playing with passion and that is driving the technicals, but that is BS. Horny needs to reign this in and establish authority and control of this team.

2) Marcus Morris aggressively, both in words and body language, going after Hornacek on the sidelines of a nationally televised game. All Marcus had to do was apologize and the event was over....no repercussions. Is Horny in control?

3) Archie Goodwin down in D-League talking to the media basically threatening he will ask for a trade if he doesn't get playing time next year, and expressing concern with the direction of the team. Not acceptable for Archie to do this, but I am sure there will be no accountability from Hornacek for this (I am an Archie fan btw).

4) Now scrubs like Miles Plumlee are demanding trades. This dude is a deep bench center with very marginal talent and is basically saying Hornacek is wrong to bench him and that he deserves playing time. I don't blame Hornacek for Miles asking to be traded, but it just seems to be another example of the players not really respecting the coach.

Help me guys. Am I off base with this concern and Hornacek is firmly in charge? Is this just low level turmoil inherent in a sport full of prima-donnas?

Or is the saying "where there is smoke there is fire" true in this case and Horny needs to become a stronger coach?

You are right and we all see the same stuff. Archie is literally a kid. No real life experience at all. And he plays like a kid on the court. Basically plays like any other teenager you see at the ymca. That's why his a$$ isn't on the court. Learn to freaking play PROFESSIONAL basketball and your a$$ would be on the court Archie. Basically grow the f$&@ up Archie!

Plumlee needs to know his damn place. He was give a chance to play in Phx and phx took care of him. And had his a$$ played up to abilities like last year, he wouldn't be shining the leather seats with his a$$ now would he.

The Morris twins need to play hard and "under control." They need a coach that isn't scared of their "wannabe" tough guy act. I really like Hornacek but this nice guy, "buddy" type coach is coming back to bite him in the butt. Suns need a no nonsense guy. A Bruce Arians type would be perfect. But the NBA don't have guys like him. So hornacek needs to man up and take control.

And lastly....plumlee and Archie.......

[Scubetrolis]

Archie Goodwin hasnt done anything, probably never will, and Miles Plumlee is the best 3rd string center in the league. who cares about either.

several of you have an obsession with archie, and i really dont know why.

[Scubetrolis]

also, Gambo says that Dragic will not return if IT is still here. Thomas needs to go

[thamadkant]

In all honestly, Spurs are playing Kyle Anderson a lot of games...
Suns play Warren, Ennis, Goodwin only when the team is up by 20 points in the last quarter, since the team isnt elite, that comes once every 2 months.
Yet they see chuckers get huge minutes over team consistently.

I mean if Green was cold like missing his first 4-5 shots, you'd think Hornacek would give Warren, Goodwin 5-6 minutes to see if they could do better... but no.

But Archie SHOULDNT be discussion trades/contract status on the media... McD probably gave him a swift phone call after that one.
Hornacek doesnt have 100% control of the team... you don't see Spurs players talk to the media and be controversial.. Hornacek needs to be discipline.. on/off court matters.

[thamadkant]

Archie Goodwin hasnt done anything, probably never will, and Miles Plumlee is the best 3rd string center in the league. who cares about either.

several of you have an obsession with archie, and i really dont know why.

Because he has potential.

I bet you were similar about Len last year.... actually let me search for that.

[AtheJ415]

Yea he is a 23 year old guard could not find time on a team that needs wing help desperately. Doesn't make me too excited about him. Plus the dude will never see any minutes.

Just so much wrong with this. Don't know where to begin. Would you have turned down Shavlik for Stauskas, who also hasn't gotten much PT on a team desperate for guard play? It's SHAVLIK RANDOLPH. This was as no brainer as it gets.

Then If your getting traded for Shavlik Randolph then how good can you be? The back court is overcrowded as it is. Apparently they are going to send him to the d-league so by the time he gets an minutes he is going to be 26-27. Just a pointless move. The dude has no trade value so he is not even an asset.

Our GM views him as an asset. Do you believe he should be making trades based on what Doc Rivers thinks of him or should he trust his own opinion? Even if you're right, he's still more of an asset than Shavlik Randolph. So again, it's a no brainer. You are the only person, aside from Archie, who views the trade as pointless. Are you Archie's cousin or something?

Also, I find it funny that many here are claiming Archie deserves time because he works hard and has potential yet can't crack the rotation, while simultaneously condemning Bullock for not getting time on the Clippers. Pretty hypocritical imo.

[MrMiyagi]

Everyone knows that you're only as good as your rookie season. Ship has sailed on most of these guys

[Revived]

With Plumlee wanting out and Houston needing a backup C since they don't have Black anymore, how about Plumlee for Terrence Jones?

http://houseofhouston.com/2015/01/19/re ... -imminent/

It's gonna be hard for Jones to get any playing time in Houston behind Motiejunas, Smith, and Papa.

In Phoenix he would immediately be our backup PF.

This is a real young kid who had some good games a starter and is pretty good rebounder.

[Revived]

also, Gambo says that Dragic will not return if IT is still here. Thomas needs to go

Link?

[mybloodisorange]

If all this is true we need to trade IT to clear up the pg glut.
Then we need to trade Plumlee and Goodwin for a second rounder and a washing machine for being demanding primadonnas who haven't earned crap.

We can probably get a mid-late first for IT plus a second and a washing machine for the other 2 and it really clears up the roster!
Ennis and that new SG we traded for would love getting IT and Goodwin out of the backup minute fight.

[AtheJ415]

If all this is true we need to trade IT to clear up the pg glut.
Then we need to trade Plumlee and Goodwin for a second rounder and a washing machine for being demanding primadonnas who haven't earned crap.

We can probably get a mid-late first for IT plus a second and a washing machine for the other 2 and it really clears up the roster!
Ennis and that new SG we traded for would love getting IT and Goodwin out of the backup minute fight.

This is the last thing you do with respect to Plumlee and Goodwin. You don't trade away talent for nothing just because they want a change of scenery. With the lack of available bigs and need for quality bigs from contending teams, getting less than a first for Plumlee is a fail. A first is valuable, but for a contender with a late first, drafting a quality rotation big is a win, and Plumlee is a guaranteed quality rotation big. Goodwin probably is worth more to the Suns than anyone, so I don't see how we move him. If he wants to pout so be it.

I agree with trading IT. In fact, I think we signed him partly as insurance if Bledsoe leaves, but mostly as an undervalued player on the market, who, if Bledsoe stays, we can move easily with his contract. I think we could at least get a mid first out of it, but probably more. He's a starting caliber player even in this deep PG league.

[AtheJ415]

With Plumlee wanting out and Houston needing a backup C since they don't have Black anymore, how about Plumlee for Terrence Jones?

http://houseofhouston.com/2015/01/19/re ... -imminent/

It's gonna be hard for Jones to get any playing time in Houston behind Motiejunas, Smith, and Papa.

In Phoenix he would immediately be our backup PF.

This is a real young kid who had some good games a starter and is pretty good rebounder.

Assuming our med staff signs off on Jones' nerve issues I'm down for this easily. But I also don't see Jones behind Papa and maybe not even behind Smith at this point in his career. It depends how quickly he returns to form, although Houston may still play Smith ahead in the rotation for defensive reasons.

Jones is a good fit for our system and has upside. I'm not positive Houston wants to sell low on him though, particularly given his age.

[RaisingArizona]

I don't think any major deals need to be made. How about manimal now that Denver is selling off assets? What would they want? I think adding another quality pf would do wonders for our front court depth. To me, Wright plays more like a C.

[jredsaz]

With Plumlee wanting out and Houston needing a backup C since they don't have Black anymore, how about Plumlee for Terrence Jones?

http://houseofhouston.com/2015/01/19/re ... -imminent/

It's gonna be hard for Jones to get any playing time in Houston behind Motiejunas, Smith, and Papa.

In Phoenix he would immediately be our backup PF.

This is a real young kid who had some good games a starter and is pretty good rebounder.

also, Gambo says that Dragic will not return if IT is still here. Thomas needs to go

Link?

I heard the comment as well on the Burns & Gambo Show Thursday or Friday. Gambo stated that Thomas' presence is something that will weigh strongly on Dragics decision about where to play next year.

With that in mind how about the following trade :

PHX: Patrick Patterson
MIL: Isaiah Thomas
TOR: Chris Middleton

If the Suns had a legit stretch big (like Frye) they would be 3-6 games better in the standings. Hornaceks system relys on that kind of specing to free up Dragic and Bledsoe. PP shoots .424 from 3 and has been terribly underutilized in TOR with a measly 12.6 Usage Rating. I also like the addition by subtraction and the possible benefits of keeping Dragic, normalizing Greens roll, and providing PT opportunities for Goodwin and Ennis.

Bucks are in the lower third of the NBA in both PPG and Offensive Rating but are top 5 for both Opponents PPG and Defensive Rating. Thomas scores in bunches and provides it at a level of efficiency that Mayo/Bayless are not at all capable of duplicating. He also reprises his role as an insurance policy for MIL in case they lose Brandon Knight this coming off season.

Raps are essentially the opposite of Milwaukie. Toronto boasts the best overall Off Rtg in the NBA and are top 5 in PPG. However they struggle guarding the perimeter and are in the bottom third in both Def Rtg and Opp PPG. They will be helped by the return of Derozen but Middleton is versatile; capable of guarding the 2, 3, and 4, he is ranked in the top 15 in Defensive Rating (100.5) and top 10 in Steal Percentage (3.0).