2016 Draft

[Mulhollanddrive]

I expect Chriss to be gone before the Washington pick.

Last 17 games, shot 50% of better 12 times and shot 43% from 3PT.

[Bogyo]

Tough question, really. I'd like the idea of doubling down on PFs, and taking Bender with the first pick - this would even allow him to come along a bit slower. He will need that as he is only 18. I really like Sabonis IF our first pick is Bender and he is really all that, and fulfills his promise. If Bender will only become the first big off the bench then I take Chriss or Davies I think.
But at this spot I just trust the FO to take the player, whoever they like. Based on their track record, and some of the recent picks in this range (Klay, Leonard, etc...) 1-2 guys have a really good chance of becoming an all star caliber player from this list. I m just not sure which 2 out of this particular 7.

[nevetsov]

Who does Ingram project to in terms of floor and ceiling?

[MathiasPW]

Evan Turner and Durant are the comparisons I heard the most

[Saberestar]

Evan Turner and Durant are the comparisons I heard the most

Evan Turner has been compared to Simmons, but Ingram? I don't think they are similar at all.

Ingram can be like Wesley Johnson / Kris Middleton (floor) or Paul George / Durant (ceiling).

[Mulhollanddrive]

Problem I have with analysing Ingram, is that you don't see the 60% of shots he's missed in the last 2 months.

You see the 40% he makes and think nobody else can do that, he looks like Durant / Wiggins, but by the same method he's missing or getting beaten by the defender on 60% of them.

A scout would have to have an answer to why that is and how it is going to improve against bigger opposition, ok Ingram gets bigger, but he's also shooting 68% FT (opposition neutral), so is it shooting ability or size or experience etc...

[MathiasPW]

Evan Turner and Durant are the comparisons I heard the most

Evan Turner has been compared to Simmons, but Ingram? I don't think they are similar at all.

Ingram can be like Wesley Johnson / Kris Middleton (floor) or Paul George / Durant (ceiling).

Wait. Aren't Ingram and Simmons the same person???

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Why isn't Ellenson on this list? I tend to think Chriss gets taken first, but after that, I have a hard time figuring out what teams will do.

I also think Davis and Labissiere might stay in school.

[Mulhollanddrive]

Ellenson expected to be gone before 12.

[bwgood77]

Who would you rather?

Booker vs Clark, Lopez, Morris, Goodwin, Bogdanovic, Warren, Len, Ennis, Marshall, Fernandez, Tucker.

Aim and hit on a star player and you accomplish 10 years of work.

So with Chriss, Davis, Sabonis, Labissiere, Rabb - Who can be that next star player?

Any of them. I'd say Sabonis has the highest floor, Labissiere has the highest bust factor, Davis is a little safer than Chriss, and Chriss probably has a higher bust factor than Davis, but his sheer athleticism is great. I think Rabb as more of a skinny rebounder.

I think Chriss will probably have the biggest chance of being able to shot block AND hit the 3, and just be a great athletic defender, like Ibaka, and but he is foul prone and I'm not real sure in IQ. Davis has some range...good mid range, probably currently a little smarter player than Chriss but also shot blocker.

Sabonis high IQ, probably eventually develop the shot, but may have trouble defensively with the short arms....though he will probably always have good positioning, a quick study and be in the right place right time. For me is what do you like best of those three?

The other question is, why are we talking about this in the trade thread? As a matter of fact, I will cut and paste this response to the draft thread.

[jcsunsfan]

Who would you rather?

Booker vs Clark, Lopez, Morris, Goodwin, Bogdanovic, Warren, Len, Ennis, Marshall, Fernandez, Tucker.

Aim and hit on a star player and you accomplish 10 years of work.

So with Chriss, Davis, Sabonis, Labissiere, Rabb - Who can be that next star player?

Any of them. I'd say Sabonis has the highest floor, Labissiere has the highest bust factor, Davis is a little safer than Chriss, and Chriss probably has a higher bust factor than Davis, but his sheer athleticism is great. I think Rabb as more of a skinny rebounder.

I think Chriss will probably have the biggest chance of being able to shot block AND hit the 3, and just be a great athletic defender, like Ibaka, and but he is foul prone and I'm not real sure in IQ. Davis has some range...good mid range, probably currently a little smarter player than Chriss but also shot blocker.

Sabonis high IQ, probably eventually develop the shot, but may have trouble defensively with the short arms....though he will probably always have good positioning, a quick study and be in the right place right time. For me is what do you like best of those three?

The other question is, why are we talking about this in the trade thread? As a matter of fact, I will cut and paste this response to the draft thread.

I think this is a good evaluation. Sabonis is clearly the safest pick. Chances are very high that he develops the outside shot. His form is great, he is an excellent free throw shooter, and he is a hard worker. He has a chance to be the ultimate glue guy on a very good team. Draymond Green had a similar evaluation coming out. Comparisons are so flawed. He is like a bigger more skilled Lou Amundsun. I would love to watch him play.

Skal should probably stay in school another year. I usually don't say that about potential lottery picks, but he is just not developed enough for the NBA and might not get the chance once he is in the league if he comes out too early.

Chriss is the boom or bust choice. He has all the tools, athleticism, defense and shot. But is it just a fluke or can he do it long term?

Rabb just doesn't look like anything special to me. I would take Sabonis over Rabb in a a heartbeat. The NBA is full of people with the physical talents and skill set that Rabb has. There are not many with the passion and leadership that Sabonis has.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

I posted yesterday that my order of preference was Sabonis>Ellenson>Chriss>Davis>Rabb. Skal ain't on my list. But predicting the order in which they get drafted isn't so easy. I think Ellenson has the widest range - as high as 6 and as low as 16. He's the best on offense and the worst on defense.

IMO, any one of Sabonis, Ellenson and Chriss could be the first taken from this group. I'm confident Rabb will be the last, because he just doesn't offer much. My guess is that each of Sabonis and Chriss will be selected by one of Toronto-Orlando-Denver. But notice, Toronto and Orlando have fluffy, offense-first, can't-protect-the-rim centers, which makes me think they'll be tempted by Chriss and Davis. But Orlando's in need of leadership and Skiles is a hard-ass, so he could push for Sabonis. Then you get to Milwaukee, Chicago and Utah - each have a young PF who shoots the ball, which makes me think they might pass on Ellenson and take one of Poeltl (Mil, Chi), Valentine, Beasley, or even Dejounte Murray.

If we're happy taking whomever's left of Sabonis, Ellenson and Chriss, then we should trade down into that ORL-DEN-TOR range. I keep repeating myself - Denver's the perfect target. Philly works as an alternative trade partner. Even NO, if they're willing to give up a future pick in the deal. Heck, maybe Boston if we finish ahead of them - it may only be one spot, but if they know we're selling to the highest bidder and they want the same guy everyone else wants, we could extort an asset.

The real point I'm making is, I think it's unlikely that we get the PF we want at 12/13/14. We can get a young guard with lots of potential (i.e. Beasley, Murray, Korkmaz) with that pick, but not the PF we want - unless we're okay with Davis or Rabb. And that pick should hold plenty of trade value should we choose to pull off a bigger deal. The possibilities are many, but Hield/Murray/Bender at the top with Sabonis at #12? I think it unlikely. Possible, but not likely. And I don't think it's a good idea to draft two PFs in the lotto - sends a bad message to whomever doesn't crack the rotation.

[JMac1]

I went with Sabonis, just because of his proven effectiveness. I am old school. I prefer to go with what I know more than what I think.

[bwgood77]

I posted yesterday that my order of preference was Sabonis>Ellenson>Chriss>Davis>Rabb. Skal ain't on my list. But predicting the order in which they get drafted isn't so easy. I think Ellenson has the widest range - as high as 6 and as low as 16. He's the best on offense and the worst on defense.

IMO, any one of Sabonis, Ellenson and Chriss could be the first taken from this group. I'm confident Rabb will be the last, because he just doesn't offer much. My guess is that each of Sabonis and Chriss will be selected by one of Toronto-Orlando-Denver. But notice, Toronto and Orlando have fluffy, offense-first, can't-protect-the-rim centers, which makes me think they'll be tempted by Chriss and Davis. But Orlando's in need of leadership and Skiles is a hard-ass, so he could push for Sabonis. Then you get to Milwaukee, Chicago and Utah - each have a young PF who shoots the ball, which makes me think they might pass on Ellenson and take one of Poeltl (Mil, Chi), Valentine, Beasley, or even Dejounte Murray.

If we're happy taking whomever's left of Sabonis, Ellenson and Chriss, then we should trade down into that ORL-DEN-TOR range. I keep repeating myself - Denver's the perfect target. Philly works as an alternative trade partner. Even NO, if they're willing to give up a future pick in the deal. Heck, maybe Boston if we finish ahead of them - it may only be one spot, but if they know we're selling to the highest bidder and they want the same guy everyone else wants, we could extort an asset.

The real point I'm making is, I think it's unlikely that we get the PF we want at 12/13/14. We can get a young guard with lots of potential (i.e. Beasley, Murray, Korkmaz) with that pick, but not the PF we want - unless we're okay with Davis or Rabb. And that pick should hold plenty of trade value should we choose to pull off a bigger deal. The possibilities are many, but Hield/Murray/Bender at the top with Sabonis at #12? I think it unlikely. Possible, but not likely. And I don't think it's a good idea to draft two PFs in the lotto - sends a bad message to whomever doesn't crack the rotation.

I take it you mean trade UP into that pick somehow from our Washington pick?

If those three are gone, I'd be ok with Davis, and I'd probably prefer him over Ellenson. Ellenson was a monster rebounder though. I just haven't seen enough of him. There is a chance if we slip to like 5 that we either trade DOWN a few spots and take those guys and get another one with the next pick, or even trade it or take a guard there. I wouldn't be THAT shocked if we took our favorite of that PF group at 5 or 6 if we slide a pick or two in the lottery.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

I posted yesterday that my order of preference was Sabonis>Ellenson>Chriss>Davis>Rabb. Skal ain't on my list. But predicting the order in which they get drafted isn't so easy. I think Ellenson has the widest range - as high as 6 and as low as 16. He's the best on offense and the worst on defense.

IMO, any one of Sabonis, Ellenson and Chriss could be the first taken from this group. I'm confident Rabb will be the last, because he just doesn't offer much. My guess is that each of Sabonis and Chriss will be selected by one of Toronto-Orlando-Denver. But notice, Toronto and Orlando have fluffy, offense-first, can't-protect-the-rim centers, which makes me think they'll be tempted by Chriss and Davis. But Orlando's in need of leadership and Skiles is a hard-ass, so he could push for Sabonis. Then you get to Milwaukee, Chicago and Utah - each have a young PF who shoots the ball, which makes me think they might pass on Ellenson and take one of Poeltl (Mil, Chi), Valentine, Beasley, or even Dejounte Murray.

If we're happy taking whomever's left of Sabonis, Ellenson and Chriss, then we should trade down into that ORL-DEN-TOR range. I keep repeating myself - Denver's the perfect target. Philly works as an alternative trade partner. Even NO, if they're willing to give up a future pick in the deal. Heck, maybe Boston if we finish ahead of them - it may only be one spot, but if they know we're selling to the highest bidder and they want the same guy everyone else wants, we could extort an asset.

The real point I'm making is, I think it's unlikely that we get the PF we want at 12/13/14. We can get a young guard with lots of potential (i.e. Beasley, Murray, Korkmaz) with that pick, but not the PF we want - unless we're okay with Davis or Rabb. And that pick should hold plenty of trade value should we choose to pull off a bigger deal. The possibilities are many, but Hield/Murray/Bender at the top with Sabonis at #12? I think it unlikely. Possible, but not likely. And I don't think it's a good idea to draft two PFs in the lotto - sends a bad message to whomever doesn't crack the rotation.

I take it you mean trade UP into that pick somehow from our Washington pick?

If those three are gone, I'd be ok with Davis, and I'd probably prefer him over Ellenson. Ellenson was a monster rebounder though. I just haven't seen enough of him. There is a chance if we slip to like 5 that we either trade DOWN a few spots and take those guys and get another one with the next pick, or even trade it or take a guard there. I wouldn't be THAT shocked if we took our favorite of that PF group at 5 or 6 if we slide a pick or two in the lottery.

No - trading down from our own pick. Hield/Murray/Dunn are the top guys in our range if McD doesn't love Bender. No sense in taking Bender and Sabonis, Chriss or Ellenson, IMO. So if one of those guys is your target, hold our selection hostage and trade down (or out). I think a ton of teams would put together a huge package for Hield, while Philly would put together a great package for Dunn (unless they have a selection at #4 which, by all odds, they will).

[DirtyDez]

My Goodness. Oklahoma is hitting bombs like Wisconsin did against us in the E8 last year.

Bledsoe/Booker/Hield rotation... How do you guard that?

[bwgood77]

I posted yesterday that my order of preference was Sabonis>Ellenson>Chriss>Davis>Rabb. Skal ain't on my list. But predicting the order in which they get drafted isn't so easy. I think Ellenson has the widest range - as high as 6 and as low as 16. He's the best on offense and the worst on defense.

IMO, any one of Sabonis, Ellenson and Chriss could be the first taken from this group. I'm confident Rabb will be the last, because he just doesn't offer much. My guess is that each of Sabonis and Chriss will be selected by one of Toronto-Orlando-Denver. But notice, Toronto and Orlando have fluffy, offense-first, can't-protect-the-rim centers, which makes me think they'll be tempted by Chriss and Davis. But Orlando's in need of leadership and Skiles is a hard-ass, so he could push for Sabonis. Then you get to Milwaukee, Chicago and Utah - each have a young PF who shoots the ball, which makes me think they might pass on Ellenson and take one of Poeltl (Mil, Chi), Valentine, Beasley, or even Dejounte Murray.

If we're happy taking whomever's left of Sabonis, Ellenson and Chriss, then we should trade down into that ORL-DEN-TOR range. I keep repeating myself - Denver's the perfect target. Philly works as an alternative trade partner. Even NO, if they're willing to give up a future pick in the deal. Heck, maybe Boston if we finish ahead of them - it may only be one spot, but if they know we're selling to the highest bidder and they want the same guy everyone else wants, we could extort an asset.

The real point I'm making is, I think it's unlikely that we get the PF we want at 12/13/14. We can get a young guard with lots of potential (i.e. Beasley, Murray, Korkmaz) with that pick, but not the PF we want - unless we're okay with Davis or Rabb. And that pick should hold plenty of trade value should we choose to pull off a bigger deal. The possibilities are many, but Hield/Murray/Bender at the top with Sabonis at #12? I think it unlikely. Possible, but not likely. And I don't think it's a good idea to draft two PFs in the lotto - sends a bad message to whomever doesn't crack the rotation.

I take it you mean trade UP into that pick somehow from our Washington pick?

If those three are gone, I'd be ok with Davis, and I'd probably prefer him over Ellenson. Ellenson was a monster rebounder though. I just haven't seen enough of him. There is a chance if we slip to like 5 that we either trade DOWN a few spots and take those guys and get another one with the next pick, or even trade it or take a guard there. I wouldn't be THAT shocked if we took our favorite of that PF group at 5 or 6 if we slide a pick or two in the lottery.

No - trading down from our own pick. Hield/Murray/Dunn are the top guys in our range if McD doesn't love Bender. No sense in taking Bender and Sabonis, Chriss or Ellenson, IMO. So if one of those guys is your target, hold our selection hostage and trade down (or out). I think a ton of teams would put together a huge package for Hield, while Philly would put together a great package for Dunn (unless they have a selection at #4 which, by all odds, they will).

Oh ok, so then you can see in my post that I agree that I could see us trading down, but I still think and hope we take Bender if we can but also DO think it would make sense to take one of those other guys with the next pick. We don't have ANY future power forwards on our team. Not sure why taking two would be too many. Plus it covers you if one of the picks is a bust.

[bwgood77]

Hield looking great against a very tough Oregon squad.

[JMac1]

My Goodness. Oklahoma is hitting bombs like Wisconsin did against us in the E8 last year.

Bledsoe/Booker/Hield rotation... How do you guard that?

You can'tt!!!

[JMac1]

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