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Re: Suns Offseason Thread V: I Am My Brother's Kieffer 

Post#1421 » by bwgood77 » Tue Sep 29, 2015 12:13 am

jcsunsfan wrote:Kieff ripped the fans.
Kieff texted that his future was not in Phoenix
Kieff told the Philly reporter that he was not coming back.

Not going to sugar-coat this and blame it all on his brother.
I will say that it is just words. He showed up, and he is now saying the right things. If he plays well, I don't really care. He will never be a favorite of mine. I just want whats best for the Suns.


I guess I just don't think any of these things are a big deal. At all. I can understand his thoughts about the fans not being very loud and not being happy about his brother being traded.

Again, he's not my favorite player, but people sometimes seem to talk like these guys are not allowed to have emotions. I think he has passion and is loyal, which are the primary reasons for the three things you listed above. And when I say loyal, in case some one might misunderstand, loyal to his brother. It's too bad that we traded for his bro in the first place, because this whole situation could be avoided, and I think he'd be extremely loyal to the team. I'm not sure whether he is or not at this point, but I'm not going to assume he is lying or even assume he is telling the truth.
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Re: Suns Offseason Thread V: I Am My Brother's Kieffer 

Post#1422 » by lilfishi22 » Tue Sep 29, 2015 1:24 am

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jcsunsfan wrote:Kieff ripped the fans.
Kieff texted that his future was not in Phoenix
Kieff told the Philly reporter that he was not coming back.

Not going to sugar-coat this and blame it all on his brother.
I will say that it is just words. He showed up, and he is now saying the right things. If he plays well, I don't really care. He will never be a favorite of mine. I just want whats best for the Suns.


I guess I just don't think any of these things are a big deal. At all. I can understand his thoughts about the fans not being very loud and not being happy about his brother being traded.

Again, he's not my favorite player, but people sometimes seem to talk like these guys are not allowed to have emotions. I think he has passion and is loyal, which are the primary reasons for the three things you listed above. And when I say loyal, in case some one might misunderstand, loyal to his brother. It's too bad that we traded for his bro in the first place, because this whole situation could be avoided, and I think he'd be extremely loyal to the team. I'm not sure whether he is or not at this point, but I'm not going to assume he is lying or even assume he is telling the truth.

bwgood77 wrote:Frankly, I think for the most part, Markieff has acted pretty professionally most of the time, and the only time it started to get a little bad was stuff that Marcus initiated, like the Hornacek thing or the fight, or even ripping the fans. After Marcus ripped the fans, Markieff more eloquently said what was on his mind, how it's nice to have louder fans, etc.

Marcus did most of the bad tweets. Markieff did say "That's a foul game, lol" which didn't seem like a big deal to me, and basically something like "I don't think my future is in Phoenix" but it just doesn't seem to me like it's nearly as big of a deal as some people make it out to be.

Is he a likable player? That's certainly debatable, as he is a hothead at times and does get the Ts.

He's certainly not my favorite player, but those who think we would be just as good with PJ and Telly playing all the minutes at the 4 are kidding themselves.

I just can't believe how mad some people seem to be about him being on the team. I seriously only come close to getting that worked up if my team loses a crucial game (usually football since individual games are more crucial) but tourney games in college or Suns playoff games....or must win games down the stretch.

I'm happy that he's "back with the team" and looking forward to play for the Suns (I'm still sceptical and still think he'll be moved eventually) but I feel like you're taking too much blame away from the behaviour he exhibited over the offseason. He's allowed to have emotions and make it known, he's human after all but the rest of his behaviour has been completely unprofessional. From not returning multiple calls from team mates, coaching staff (until the last couple of weeks) and management to publicly stating and his future isn't in Phoenix (and getting fined), it's unprofessional, no question about that.

I'm glad to know he's going to be focused on the upcoming season and we're, without a doubt, a significantly more dangerous team with Kieff (and without his brother) but his offseason for sure would've left a sour taste in the fans mouth and I don't blame them.
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Re: Suns Offseason Thread V: I Am My Brother's Kieffer 

Post#1423 » by bwgood77 » Tue Sep 29, 2015 1:36 am

lilfishi22 wrote:I'm happy that he's "back with the team" and looking forward to play for the Suns (I'm still sceptical and still think he'll be moved eventually) but I feel like you're taking too much blame away from the behaviour he exhibited over the offseason. He's allowed to have emotions and make it known, he's human after all but the rest of his behaviour has been completely unprofessional. From not returning multiple calls from team mates, coaching staff (until the last couple of weeks) and management to publicly stating and his future isn't in Phoenix (and getting fined), it's unprofessional, no question about that.

I'm glad to know he's going to be focused on the upcoming season and we're, without a doubt, a significantly more dangerous team with Kieff (and without his brother) but his offseason for sure would've left a sour taste in the fans mouth and I don't blame them.


I agree that the fans have reason to have a sour taste in their mouth, and he's not my favorite player and I'd love to trade him for equal value. I wasn't aware he wasn't taking calls from teammates and stuff. I do think it was unprofessional to say his future isn't in Phx, but still not THAT big of deal.

I still think some are really blowing it out of proportion though. This kind of stuff happens all the time, and usually not by people I respect, and I can't say I respect him, but I'd rather have him on the team than not have him on the team (without getting equal or close to equal value).
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Re: Suns Offseason Thread V: I Am My Brother's Kieffer 

Post#1424 » by lilfishi22 » Tue Sep 29, 2015 1:47 am

I think letsgosuns feelings on this situation is way overblown but he's entitled to his opinion. Perhaps these things happen all the time, but I'd hazard a guess that most happen behind closed doors, where it belongs and not out in the open. I'm very glad we're going into the season with him rather than without him but he's definitely not won any favors with me even though he's changed his tone somewhat.
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Post#1425 » by nevetsov » Tue Sep 29, 2015 1:51 am

sunsfever68 wrote:We needed Aldridge but who knows maybe Paul George gets discontent in Indiana and we make a move for him and swing some young assets like Warren and Goodwin and picks for him.


Rumbling that Indy will be playing him at PF some and he's not happy about it. Fingers crossed they start playing him there 20+ s per, so he asks for a trade... Knight, Keef, Goodwin, Warren... We could put together a very decent return.
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Re: Suns Offseason Thread V: I Am My Brother's Kieffer 

Post#1426 » by drewsprocket » Tue Sep 29, 2015 2:17 am

nevetsov wrote:
sunsfever68 wrote:We needed Aldridge but who knows maybe Paul George gets discontent in Indiana and we make a move for him and swing some young assets like Warren and Goodwin and picks for him.


Rumbling that Indy will be playing him at PF some and he's not happy about it. Fingers crossed they start playing him there 20+ s per, so he asks for a trade... Knight, Keef, Goodwin, Warren... We could put together a very decent return.

I'd be happy trading multiple picks, Morris, for George. But it won't happen. George and tucker/Mira up front alongside chandler would be sweet. Plus would give a great mentor for warren.


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Re: Suns Offseason Thread V: I Am My Brother's Kieffer 

Post#1427 » by bwgood77 » Tue Sep 29, 2015 2:21 am

nevetsov wrote:
sunsfever68 wrote:We needed Aldridge but who knows maybe Paul George gets discontent in Indiana and we make a move for him and swing some young assets like Warren and Goodwin and picks for him.


Rumbling that Indy will be playing him at PF some and he's not happy about it. Fingers crossed they start playing him there 20+ s per, so he asks for a trade... Knight, Keef, Goodwin, Warren... We could put together a very decent return.


I investigated that today, and most of the headlines are a bit misleading. He basically said he is will to try anything if it helps the team, but maybe he should start the season at SF. The thing is, he won't really know how much he likes it until it happens. When he realizes many PF's can't guard him and he can do more, he will probably like it. Many SF's have thrived in PF roles, including Durant, Draymond Green, etc.

I seriously doubt Paul George will ever be on the table. I'd love to have him, but I don't see it happening.
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Re: Suns Offseason Thread V: I Am My Brother's Kieffer 

Post#1428 » by letsgosuns » Tue Sep 29, 2015 3:34 am

Here is Markieff's press conference:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGRmJ4PhufI

Looks about as disinterested as a player can possibly be.
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Re: Suns Offseason Thread V: I Am My Brother's Kieffer 

Post#1429 » by lilfishi22 » Tue Sep 29, 2015 3:53 am

letsgosuns wrote:Here is Markieff's press conference:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGRmJ4PhufI

Looks about as disinterested as a player can possibly be.

I agree. Generic answers, deflects questions, answers some questions with another question. Certainly looks like he's there because he's contractually obligated to.

As long as he brings it on the court and deliver results, that's all that matters
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Re: Suns Offseason Thread V: I Am My Brother's Kieffer 

Post#1430 » by Frank Lee » Tue Sep 29, 2015 4:34 am

McDo....' Well Markeif, we tried to trade you... but no one was interested in a crybaby head case'
MKeif ... "But I AM GOOD'
McDo...'A lot of guys are good...and quiet'
MKeif...'Sheeet'
McDo...'So just be good ...and quiet...and we'll trade you when the rest of the league sees you can behave'
MKeif...'You're treating me like a little kid'
McDo...blank stare, slides a sucker across the table.



Not surprised at all with his comments. QueenLaKeifa had no other option but to toe the line. He's on a short leash per Hornacek, or at least expected to be professional. Now if the Front Office can spare us any more lip service about the prototype Suns player, may be they can gain some respect back too.

I hope the fan base welcomes him back. I'd expect smattering of Boos, but good play and behavior will erase that with time. Just STFU until at least December MoBro. Its the only way out of town.
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Post#1431 » by drewsprocket » Tue Sep 29, 2015 5:37 am

I just want preseason to start. Thankfully the cards are killing it this year.


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Post#1432 » by Revived » Tue Sep 29, 2015 6:30 am

Why does everyone on the Suns keep saying Tyson won "multiple championships".

I noticed that at least 3 players and Hornacek said that.

Am I wrong or did Chandler only win one title with the Mavs in 2011?
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Post#1433 » by wordsenuff » Tue Sep 29, 2015 6:34 am

SF88 wrote:Why does everyone on the Suns keep saying Tyson won "multiple championships".

I noticed that at least 3 players and Hornacek said that.

Am I wrong or did Chandler only win one title with the Mavs in 2011?

i think they're including his fiba championships too
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Post#1434 » by Revived » Tue Sep 29, 2015 6:52 am

DAMNNNN Brandon Knight looks like he lived at the gym or something. His arms itself look shredded.

I think working out with Bledsoe did him real good. Hope he can finish at the rim better now cause he's been among the worst guards at finishing at the rim.
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Post#1435 » by sunsfever68 » Tue Sep 29, 2015 6:54 am

Suns should trade Warren Goodwin and Bogdanovic + picks + salary filler (Tucker, Leuer, Weems come to mind) to the Pacers for paul George.

A lineup of

Bledsoe
Knight
George
Morris
Chandler


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Post#1436 » by Revived » Tue Sep 29, 2015 7:05 am

Pacers aren't stupid. Their entire franchise and fanbase have been anxiously waiting for the return of Paul George and they have big plans for him. Their not gonna trade him to the Suns if offer this entire team.
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Post#1437 » by Revived » Tue Sep 29, 2015 7:11 am

Man I love the Tyson Chandler addition even more after watching his media day interview.

He talked about mentoring Len and then I like how he talks about how important is to have everyone on the same page.

Thing I liked most was when he said "This team has had a problem getting up for games against the teams with the big names and then kinda not caring and coming out lackluster against the other (bad) teams. We gotta change that cause those are the ones that bite you at the end".

I have been saying that exact thing on here for 4+ years. That's how I've been able to tell by December whether or not we will make playoffs because I go through the schedule and see if we lost too much vs the bad teams. I know MrMiyagi mocked me for saying that so early but he was no where to be found when it became official that we wouldn't make it.

I'm glad there's at least one other person in Tyson Chandler who knows the importance of winning those games against bad teams.
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Post#1438 » by MrMiyagi » Tue Sep 29, 2015 8:07 am

Our whole team is terrible. I expect a top 5 pick by seasons end.
SHAZAM!

Suns traded Mikal Bridges, Cam Johnson, Jae Crowder and 4 1st round picks and a swap so some Vegas Bookies would like us.
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Re: Suns Offseason Thread V: I Am My Brother's Kieffer 

Post#1439 » by Mulhollanddrive » Tue Sep 29, 2015 9:05 am

I'd fancy 8th-10th seed.

I'd rather have a transcendent player than 1st round playoffs though. 90% of MVP candidates make playoffs anyway.
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Re: Suns Offseason Thread V: I Am My Brother's Kieffer 

Post#1440 » by bwgood77 » Tue Sep 29, 2015 1:36 pm

Mulhollanddrive wrote:I'd fancy 8th-10th seed.

I'd rather have a transcendent player than 1st round playoffs though. 90% of MVP candidates make playoffs anyway.


I'm pretty sure 100% of the people here would rather have a transcendent player than 8-10th seed.

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