Trade & FA Ideas & Discussion

[RaisingArizona]

Cleveland fan here---I am not thrilled with the idea of Bledsoe to Cleveland but it doesn't seem like you guys really want Irving and you are more interested in being part of a larger deal. What type of value are you looking for him? Would you be ok with a late first and salary filler for him or do you have your eyes on whatever the main piece is in a Kyrie deal?

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[Kerrsed]

Cleveland fan here---I am not thrilled with the idea of Bledsoe to Cleveland but it doesn't seem like you guys really want Irving and you are more interested in being part of a larger deal. What type of value are you looking for him? Would you be ok with a late first and salary filler for him or do you have your eyes on whatever the main piece is in a Kyrie deal?

As a fanbase, we are all over the board on what we want or expect from a Bledsoe trade.

Im looking for a young PG (Under 25) that can start asn has potential. I would also like a 1st as well. I would have LOVED getting Russel, but i hear that the Nets are making him "Untouchable".

Other names i like:

Murray
Payton
Mudiay
Exum
Brogdon

I would really LOVE to find a way to get Payton from Orlando.

[DowJones]

Cleveland fan here---I am not thrilled with the idea of Bledsoe to Cleveland but it doesn't seem like you guys really want Irving and you are more interested in being part of a larger deal. What type of value are you looking for him? Would you be ok with a late first and salary filler for him or do you have your eyes on whatever the main piece is in a Kyrie deal?

We really want Irving?! Where did you get that idea. If we can get a good deal, of course, anyone would.

I meant to say that you don't really want Irving and you are more interested in being part of a larger deal with Irving going to a different team. I am wondering what value Suns fans expect in return.

[BobbieL]

Two talks are likely dead according to Gambo but 3-way talks with Kyrie going elsewhere once rookie are trade eligible may heat up. It will be interesting to see if Denver is willing to give up Jamal Murray for Irving since they're been making some win-now moves.

This is what Cleveland may have in mind. Maybe Murray/Chandler/Bledsoe to Cleveland with a Denver first/Shumpert to Phoenix?

Just talking Denver/Cleveland straight up. In terms of 3-ways probably Ntilikina or Brogdon to Phoenix since those two could be landing spots for KYrie.

I would be okay of course with Frank N to Phx; Kyrie to the Knicks and Bledsoe and ?? to the Cavs. But if the Cavs would not want say Bledsoe Chriss or Warren and the Heat pick (if that is a semblance of what the Suns are offering) - what will they want from the Knicks for Kyrie. This can't be a deal where

Phoenix sends out both Bledsoe and another player and a draft pick
Knicks get Kyrie
Suns just get Frank N and cap filler like Frye

So, if its Bledsoe for Frank N and Frye - that's fine with me but the extra for Cleveland will have to come from the Knicks and they pretty much have crap except future first rounders. Unless they take on Joakim Noah which is huge cap savings

This trade works in the trade machines:

NYK: Irving , Frye and Jefferson (two expirings) - offloading Noahs deal might be a big deal
Cleveland: Noah and Bledsoe - and probably draft picks from the New York Knicks
Suns: Frank N and Kuzminkas (3m salary)

So the Knicks get Kyrie and cap relief
Cavs get Bledsoe and picks
Suns get Frank N for Bledsoe

Cavs probably hate this deal

[DowJones]

Cleveland fan here---I am not thrilled with the idea of Bledsoe to Cleveland but it doesn't seem like you guys really want Irving and you are more interested in being part of a larger deal. What type of value are you looking for him? Would you be ok with a late first and salary filler for him or do you have your eyes on whatever the main piece is in a Kyrie deal?

As a fanbase, we are all over the board on what we want or expect from a Bledsoe trade.

Im looking for a young PG (Under 25) that can start asn has potential. I would also like a 1st as well. I would have LOVED getting Russel, but i hear that the Nets are making him "Untouchable".

Other names i like:

Murray
Payton
Mudiay
Exum
Brogdon

I would really LOVE to find a way to get Payton from Orlando.

Murray has much more value than the rest of those names. Maybe a 3-way where Middleton/Bledsoe/Milwaukee first go to Cleveland with Brogdon/Shumpert to Phoenix. That could work.

[BobbieL]

Cleveland fan here---I am not thrilled with the idea of Bledsoe to Cleveland but it doesn't seem like you guys really want Irving and you are more interested in being part of a larger deal. What type of value are you looking for him? Would you be ok with a late first and salary filler for him or do you have your eyes on whatever the main piece is in a Kyrie deal?

As a fanbase, we are all over the board on what we want or expect from a Bledsoe trade.

Im looking for a young PG (Under 25) that can start asn has potential. I would also like a 1st as well. I would have LOVED getting Russel, but i hear that the Nets are making him "Untouchable".

Other names i like:

Murray
Payton
Mudiay
Exum
Brogdon

I would really LOVE to find a way to get Payton from Orlando.

Denver: Kyrie
Cleveland: Bledsoe and Darrell Arthur and maybe a draft pick from Suns - the Heat pick
Phoenix: Murray and Jameer Nelson

Denver gets Kyrie to go with that group
Suns gets a young PG
Cleveland gets Bledsoe and a draft pick

[bwgood77]

Cleveland fan here---I am not thrilled with the idea of Bledsoe to Cleveland but it doesn't seem like you guys really want Irving and you are more interested in being part of a larger deal. What type of value are you looking for him? Would you be ok with a late first and salary filler for him or do you have your eyes on whatever the main piece is in a Kyrie deal?

As a fanbase, we are all over the board on what we want or expect from a Bledsoe trade.

Im looking for a young PG (Under 25) that can start asn has potential. I would also like a 1st as well. I would have LOVED getting Russel, but i hear that the Nets are making him "Untouchable".

Other names i like:

Murray
Payton
Mudiay
Exum
Brogdon

I would really LOVE to find a way to get Payton from Orlando.

Murray has much more value than the rest of those names. Maybe a 3-way where Middleton/Bledsoe/Milwaukee first go to Cleveland with Brogdon/Shumpert to Phoenix. That could work.

The trade that has been talked about the most is a Bledsoe/Melo/Knicks first to the Cavs, Irving, Shumpert and Frye to the Knicks, and Ntilikina to the Suns. Many here would be happy with that. There are some who are not high on Ntilikina and proclaim him a bust already though.

[TeamTragic]

I can't believe Knight tore his ACL. Horrible. Now what? Second we knew we would not be getting Irving.

[sunskerr]

Other names i like:

Murray
Payton
Mudiay
Exum
Brogdon

I would really LOVE to find a way to get Payton from Orlando.

This is going to come across as a bit crystal ball-ish. Mudiay isn't an NBA level player for sure and Exum has given no indication he can become one. Payton cannot shoot so his best case scenario is as a bench player. Murray hasn't shown that he can play PG like, ever so you wouldn't really want him at that spot next to Booker if you don't enjoy Knights game. Maybe I'm being harsh on Murray but I don't see anything worth being excited about. Brogdon is really the only solid player that you listed (26mpg 10 ppg 4 apg on good %).

Bledsoe is basically leagues beyond any of those guys you listed. The only thing they have on him is youth. I certainly would not want any of those guys as the "centerpiece" of an Eric Bledsoe deal save for Brogdon. I'm not overvaluing Bledsoe at all either, it's just that those guys (again, except Brogdon) kinda blow.

[DowJones]

As a fanbase, we are all over the board on what we want or expect from a Bledsoe trade.

Im looking for a young PG (Under 25) that can start asn has potential. I would also like a 1st as well. I would have LOVED getting Russel, but i hear that the Nets are making him "Untouchable".

Other names i like:

Murray
Payton
Mudiay
Exum
Brogdon

I would really LOVE to find a way to get Payton from Orlando.

Murray has much more value than the rest of those names. Maybe a 3-way where Middleton/Bledsoe/Milwaukee first go to Cleveland with Brogdon/Shumpert to Phoenix. That could work.

The trade that has been talked about the most is a Bledsoe/Melo/Knicks first to the Cavs, Irving, Shumpert and Frye to the Knicks, and Ntilikina to the Suns. Many here would be happy with that. There are some who are not high on Ntilikina and proclaim him a bust already though.

Melo to Cleveland isn't happening. Apparently the Cavs let it be known to Carmelo's people that he would be a 6th man in Cleveland and that has been why all the Melo talk is centered around Houston. Melo on Cleveland is not a good fit,

[bwgood77]

Two talks are likely dead according to Gambo but 3-way talks with Kyrie going elsewhere once rookie are trade eligible may heat up. It will be interesting to see if Denver is willing to give up Jamal Murray for Irving since they're been making some win-now moves.

This is what Cleveland may have in mind. Maybe Murray/Chandler/Bledsoe to Cleveland with a Denver first/Shumpert to Phoenix?

Just talking Denver/Cleveland straight up. In terms of 3-ways probably Ntilikina or Brogdon to Phoenix since those two could be landing spots for KYrie.

I hadn't considered Brogdon to Phoenix. I kind of like that. I know he's 24 but as a rookie already over a 40% 3 pt shooter, almost 6 apg as a SG playing off ball...I mean he could easily play point. He's a nice piece on a rookie contract....less than $3 million total for the next two years, so he'd need to be paid sooner.

[Mulhollanddrive]

Is Brogdan that good and can he play PG?

[bwgood77]

Other names i like:

Murray
Payton
Mudiay
Exum
Brogdon

I would really LOVE to find a way to get Payton from Orlando.

This is going to come across as a bit crystal ball-ish. Mudiay isn't an NBA level player for sure and Exum has given no indication he can become one. Payton cannot shoot so his best case scenario is as a bench player. Murray hasn't shown that he can play PG like, ever so you wouldn't really want him at that spot next to Booker if you don't enjoy Knights game. Maybe I'm being harsh on Murray but I don't see anything worth being excited about. Brogdon is really the only solid player that you listed (26mpg 10 ppg 4 apg on good %).

Bledsoe is basically leagues beyond any of those guys you listed. The only thing they have on him is youth. I certainly would not want any of those guys as the "centerpiece" of an Eric Bledsoe deal save for Brogdon. I'm not overvaluing Bledsoe at all either, it's just that those guys (again, except Brogdon) kinda blow.

Kerrsed LOVES guys that can't shoot. WCS, Payton, Mudiay, Rondo, Fox, etc. And since I didn't mention Terrence Williams I expect his head to show up out of nowhere in one of Kerrsed's posts.

[bwgood77]

Is Brogdan that good and can he play PG?

I almost actually said he could in my first post, but didn't because I haven't watched him enough. He had at least one triple double. I'm guessing he could definitely play PG next to someone like Booker. He seems to be an all around really solid player who shoots 40% from 3. Only the second ever 2nd round pick to win ROY.

[JMac1]

Cleveland fan here---I am not thrilled with the idea of Bledsoe to Cleveland but it doesn't seem like you guys really want Irving and you are more interested in being part of a larger deal. What type of value are you looking for him? Would you be ok with a late first and salary filler for him or do you have your eyes on whatever the main piece is in a Kyrie deal?

We really want Irving?! Where did you get that idea. If we can get a good deal, of course, anyone would.

I meant to say that you don't really want Irving and you are more interested in being part of a larger deal with Irving going to a different team. I am wondering what value Suns fans expect in return.

The Knicks three-way with us getting Frank as the center.

[Mulhollanddrive]

So something like:

Cleveland: Irving for Bledsoe, Parker
Milwaukee: Parker, Brogdan, 1st for Irving
Phoenix: Bledsoe for Brogdan, 1st

[Kerrsed]

Murray has much more value than the rest of those names. Maybe a 3-way where Middleton/Bledsoe/Milwaukee first go to Cleveland with Brogdon/Shumpert to Phoenix. That could work.

Yeah, i am well aware that Jamal Murray has more value than the rest of the names, and even though i would love to have him, i wasnt talking about him, but rather Dejounte Murray from the Spurs.

I know the Suns brought him in multiple time pre-draft and said a lot of great things about him, but ended up trading the pick that we would have used to possibly get him to the Kings so we could nab Chriss.



For those of you who forgot who he is:

Spoiler:

Watch on YouTube

Watch on YouTube

And McD's thoughts on him:

Spoiler:

“We like the fact that he can get a defensive rebound and push the ball in traffic to score, to find guys in transition. I think he’s better on the ball at this stage,” general manager Ryan McDonough said. “Now, he is big enough and long enough that he might be able to play some 2 (shooting guard) eventually, but that will come with some added strength. He’s not there yet physically. He’ll need to bulk up a little bit in order to do that at the NBA level.”

Murray stands 6-foot-5, which McDonough likes.

However, Murray’s weight, 170 pounds, makes him one of the lighter draft prospects.

“He’s an intriguing player. He’s got really good length at that size. I think he’s got close to a 7-foot wingspan,” McDonough said. “He needs to fill out, but he’s got pretty broad shoulders in the frame that looks like he’ll be able to add some weight to it.”

Murray, too, knows he needs to bulk up some.

“I got a little frame, skinny frame right now but we’re working on it … going hard in the weight room, eating good,” he said.

Murray doesn’t believe his weight will prevent him from contributing right away while he gets stronger. Murray points to his quickness, which lets him gain separation, drive by defenders and keep opposing players in front of him defensively.

“And I just got heart. I ain’t scared of nobody,” he said. “I don’t let the weight stuff get in the way of anything of me. I know I got to get stronger. I know everybody here is quicker, stronger, but I love to work and I’m not scared of no one. I feel like I’ll be ready to go.”

Murray’s toughness is what stood out to McDonough.

Among freshmen in Washington history, Murray finished second in total steals (62) and third in rebounds (203).

“He averaged close to two steals a game,” McDonough said. “I think he got about six rebounds a game, so he’s not afraid to mix it up. He’s not afraid of contact for a thin guy. He’s got a bright future. I think he’s one of the top point guard prospects in the draft class.”

Now the hard part would be to try to find a CLE/SAS/PHX trade that would work for all 3 teams. One idea (If Cleveland were ok with trading both Irving and Love) is something like this:

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ya3w42ue

I wouldnt want Love on the Suns and would look to then send him somewhere else. I could have made it a 4 team trade and found a taker for him, but we know how unlikely 4 team trades are in the League, but i think a starting line-up that consisted of Bledsoe/Korver/Lebron/Aldridge/Chandler would be pretty damn compelling!

[Kerrsed]

Kerrsed LOVES guys that can't shoot. WCS, Payton, Mudiay, Rondo, Fox, etc. And since I didn't mention Terrence Williams I expect his head to show up out of nowhere in one of Kerrsed's posts.

[bwgood77]

Murray has much more value than the rest of those names. Maybe a 3-way where Middleton/Bledsoe/Milwaukee first go to Cleveland with Brogdon/Shumpert to Phoenix. That could work.

Yeah, i am well aware that Jamal Murray has more value than the rest of the names, and even though i would love to have him, i wasnt talking about him, but rather Dejounte Murray from the Spurs.

I know the Suns brought him in multiple time pre-draft and said a lot of great things about him, but ended up trading the pick that we would have used to possibly get him to the Kings so we could nab Chriss.



For those of you who forgot who he is:

Spoiler:

Watch on YouTube

Watch on YouTube

And McD's thoughts on him:

Spoiler:

“We like the fact that he can get a defensive rebound and push the ball in traffic to score, to find guys in transition. I think he’s better on the ball at this stage,” general manager Ryan McDonough said. “Now, he is big enough and long enough that he might be able to play some 2 (shooting guard) eventually, but that will come with some added strength. He’s not there yet physically. He’ll need to bulk up a little bit in order to do that at the NBA level.”

Murray stands 6-foot-5, which McDonough likes.

However, Murray’s weight, 170 pounds, makes him one of the lighter draft prospects.

“He’s an intriguing player. He’s got really good length at that size. I think he’s got close to a 7-foot wingspan,” McDonough said. “He needs to fill out, but he’s got pretty broad shoulders in the frame that looks like he’ll be able to add some weight to it.”

Murray, too, knows he needs to bulk up some.

“I got a little frame, skinny frame right now but we’re working on it … going hard in the weight room, eating good,” he said.

Murray doesn’t believe his weight will prevent him from contributing right away while he gets stronger. Murray points to his quickness, which lets him gain separation, drive by defenders and keep opposing players in front of him defensively.

“And I just got heart. I ain’t scared of nobody,” he said. “I don’t let the weight stuff get in the way of anything of me. I know I got to get stronger. I know everybody here is quicker, stronger, but I love to work and I’m not scared of no one. I feel like I’ll be ready to go.”

Murray’s toughness is what stood out to McDonough.

Among freshmen in Washington history, Murray finished second in total steals (62) and third in rebounds (203).

“He averaged close to two steals a game,” McDonough said. “I think he got about six rebounds a game, so he’s not afraid to mix it up. He’s not afraid of contact for a thin guy. He’s got a bright future. I think he’s one of the top point guard prospects in the draft class.”

Now the hard part would be to try to find a CLE/SAS/PHX trade that would work for all 3 teams. One idea (If Cleveland were ok with trading both Irving and Love) is something like this:

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ya3w42ue

I wouldnt want Love on the Suns and would look to then send him somewhere else. I could have made it a 4 team trade and found a taker for him, but we know how unlikely 4 team trades are in the League, but i think a starting line-up that consisted of Bledsoe/Korver/Lebron/Aldridge/Chandler would be pretty damn compelling!

Dejounte Murray is an interesting prospect. I can't imagine the Cavs would trade Kyrie alone for Aldridge and Bledsoe let alone adding Love. Us an San Antonio would have to send a bunch of picks, but that's not enough for San Antonio to send.

It's strange when you look at the Spurs roster to realize they won like 67 games or whatever, because they don't have any real appealing trade assets outside of Kawhi, who is obviously probably the most untouchable guy in the league.

[jredsaz]

Two talks are likely dead according to Gambo but 3-way talks with Kyrie going elsewhere once rookie are trade eligible may heat up. It will be interesting to see if Denver is willing to give up Jamal Murray for Irving since they're been making some win-now moves.

This is what Cleveland may have in mind. Maybe Murray/Chandler/Bledsoe to Cleveland with a Denver first/Shumpert to Phoenix?

Not this guy! He is a certified bled hater. Filler and a late first won't get it done, son.

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