Almost off-season discussion! Trades/Free Agency Ep. 9

[SideSwipe]

I'd rather use Dudley and/or Chandler in a mid-season trade as big expiring filler salaries. I'd also be fine letting them expire because it'd be easy for us to create max space for next offseason if we show enough improvement to attract that type of player. Brandon Knight is closer to my idea of a bloated contract.

Other summers I would have been more comfortable doing this, but this summer we need to set the table to be a good team out of the gate because we are going to need to maximize chemistry as early as possible so we can be fighting for the playoffs.

We have plenty of cap space to improve this Summer without dumping Dudley and Chandler's contracts on draft day. There's no need to create more unless we're signing a max contract player in free agency, which we are unlikely to attract. It's not likely that any free agent (not named LeBron James) is taking this team to the playoffs anyways, and it's even debatable whether Dinwiddie moves the needle more than Knight or Payton. I'm not against trading them if the right opportunity arises, but I don't see the benefit in trading down 13 spots for a bottom tier starting point guard and no long term cap savings.

I wasn't commenting on the trade being discussed above, only on the premise of let's hold on to Chandler/Dudley to use later. If trading them is an option that the Suns are willing to explore, I would be very active on that front this summer instead of waiting. I would be more concerned about including opportunity cost as part of the equation this year more than any other due to the edict to get back to the playoffs and to maximize on Bookers talents.

Those contracts don't need to be dumped because they are expiring. They are the most sought after pieces to combine with picks in exchange for top level players leaving rebuilding teams. Chandler+Dudley= $26 million which is the max level salary needed to complete a trade for a star. Dudley+Chandler+#16+MIL #1+ MIA #1 is a very good trade package especially when we have additional youth to throw in. I am more open to exploring that and seeing what we can come up with this summer. It's not a time to be stupid and do a deal just to do a deal, but it is a time to focus on getting better and being prepared with the right assets.

[darealjuice]

I wasn't commenting on the trade being discussed above, only on the premise of let's hold on to Chandler/Dudley to use later. If trading them is an option that the Suns are willing to explore, I would be very active on that front this summer instead of waiting. I would be more concerned about including opportunity cost as part of the equation this year more than any other due to the edict to get back to the playoffs and to maximize on Bookers talents.

Those contracts don't need to be dumped because they are expiring. They are the most sought after pieces to combine with picks in exchange for top level players leaving rebuilding teams. Chandler+Dudley= $26 million which is the max level salary needed to complete a trade for a star. Dudley+Chandler+#16+MIL #1+ MIA #1 is a very good trade package especially when we have additional youth to throw in. I am more open to exploring that and seeing what we can come up with this summer. It's not a time to be stupid and do a deal just to do a deal, but it is a time to focus on getting better and being prepared with the right assets.

Sounds like we're in agreement of how to use them in a trade. I was speaking more in the context of that trade, since dumping Knight would open a ton of salary next offseason. I also think that their value will be higher at the trade deadline when teams are will start looking toward rebuilding and/or free up salary space for the offseason.

If I had a realistic plan to improve this offseason it'd be to trade #16, #31, and 1 (or 2) of TJ, Bender, and Chriss for at least one strong starter at a position of need with a couple years under contract. Then, I'd sign a 1 or 2 year contract with contributing role players that can shoot and defend, even if it's a slight overpay on someone looking for a better market next year. Go into the season with a more competitive roster, evaluate options for trading our expiring contracts and assets for a star once players become available, and pull the trigger if the right deal comes along. If nothing arises we can let them expire for cap space to chase big names in the offseason, or trade contributors to clear playoff teams for assets to use in our pursuit of a star if we're clearly out of the picture.

[BobbieL]

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Dudley or Chandler + #16 for Dinwiddie and #29?

the trade would be Dinwiddie and 29 for ulis and 16

Dinwiddie makes 1.5m - so chandler or Dudley are too much

now if you did a three team trade
something like

MN: DeMarre Carrol
Brooklyn; Dudley Cole Adrich , Alan Williams and Ulis plus 16

Suns get Dinwiddie and 29

that would rid the Nets of Carroll as Aldrich Williams and Ulis are not guaranteed

Dude, did you even read the tweet? On what planet is Ulis a "bloated contract"?

sorry totally misread it - probably i read it correctly but thought teams usually want t dump salary not take it on

That is odd the Nets would take on Chandler or Dudley to move up 13 spots AND trade Dinwiddie though

[BobbieL]

Other summers I would have been more comfortable doing this, but this summer we need to set the table to be a good team out of the gate because we are going to need to maximize chemistry as early as possible so we can be fighting for the playoffs.

We have plenty of cap space to improve this Summer without dumping Dudley and Chandler's contracts on draft day. There's no need to create more unless we're signing a max contract player in free agency, which we are unlikely to attract. It's not likely that any free agent (not named LeBron James) is taking this team to the playoffs anyways, and it's even debatable whether Dinwiddie moves the needle more than Knight or Payton. I'm not against trading them if the right opportunity arises, but I don't see the benefit in trading down 13 spots for a bottom tier starting point guard and no long term cap savings.

I wasn't commenting on the trade being discussed above, only on the premise of let's hold on to Chandler/Dudley to use later. If trading them is an option that the Suns are willing to explore, I would be very active on that front this summer instead of waiting. I would be more concerned about including opportunity cost as part of the equation this year more than any other due to the edict to get back to the playoffs and to maximize on Bookers talents.

Those contracts don't need to be dumped because they are expiring. They are the most sought after pieces to combine with picks in exchange for top level players leaving rebuilding teams. Chandler+Dudley= $26 million which is the max level salary needed to complete a trade for a star. Dudley+Chandler+#16+MIL #1+ MIA #1 is a very good trade package especially when we have additional youth to throw in. I am more open to exploring that and seeing what we can come up with this summer. It's not a time to be stupid and do a deal just to do a deal, but it is a time to focus on getting better and being prepared with the right assets.

i have been willing to include draft picks with chandler, Dudley and Daniels (27m of expiring) - all offseason

i also think Williams is a useful tool if dealt before 7/1 as his contract is not guaranteed as of 7/6

So for the right player - any of the four names plus two picks - I am totally willing too do

and the thing is - one , if Booker signs his extension -the suns do not have 27m of expiring next summer. I am not sure the figure but I think its half that . So I think this summer is the time to move them with picks

[jredsaz]

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2018-nba-draft-trade-rumors-grizzlies-testing-market-for-chandler-parsons-no-4-pick/

Damn. Warren, 16, 2019 1st for Parson, #4?

[BobbieL]

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2018-nba-draft-trade-rumors-grizzlies-testing-market-for-chandler-parsons-no-4-pick/

Damn. Warren, 16, 2019 1st for Parson, #4?

probably need to add Dudley or Chandler

I would even add the 31st pick to make that go to get Doncic and Parsons

[bhawk]

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2018-nba-draft-trade-rumors-grizzlies-testing-market-for-chandler-parsons-no-4-pick/

Damn. Warren, 16, 2019 1st for Parson, #4?

Perspective please. Parsons has 50M guaranteed that we would have to absorb. $50M for the #4 pick is really, really expensive. Only owners with the deepest of pockets could afford to write off 50M AND pay the 4th pick of the draft.

Memphis should give us 2 picks for 50M.

[TeamTragic]

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2018-nba-draft-trade-rumors-grizzlies-testing-market-for-chandler-parsons-no-4-pick/

Damn. Warren, 16, 2019 1st for Parson, #4?

probably need to add Dudley or Chandler

I would even add the 31st pick to make that go to get Doncic and Parsons

Add whatever it takes. GET IT DONE!

[jredsaz]

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2018-nba-draft-trade-rumors-grizzlies-testing-market-for-chandler-parsons-no-4-pick/

Damn. Warren, 16, 2019 1st for Parson, #4?

Perspective please. Parsons has 50M guaranteed that we would have to absorb. $50M for the #4 pick is really, really expensive. Only owners with the deepest of pockets could afford to write off 50M AND pay the 4th pick of the draft.

Memphis should give us 2 picks for 50M.

In a vacuum, sure. But in reality an NBA owner is required to spend to the floor regardless. You would also be sending cash out with Warren, possibly Dudley or Chandler. Spending to the cap or just above it is not the same as paying $50 for the asset.

[LukasBMW]

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2018-nba-draft-trade-rumors-grizzlies-testing-market-for-chandler-parsons-no-4-pick/

Damn. Warren, 16, 2019 1st for Parson, #4?

Perspective please. Parsons has 50M guaranteed that we would have to absorb. $50M for the #4 pick is really, really expensive. Only owners with the deepest of pockets could afford to write off 50M AND pay the 4th pick of the draft.

Memphis should give us 2 picks for 50M.

In a vacuum, sure. But in reality an NBA owner is required to spend to the floor regardless. You would also be sending cash out with Warren, possibly Dudley or Chandler. Spending to the cap or just above it is not the same as paying $50 for the asset.

Sarver owes us. And unlike when he first bought the team and was a cheap ass, he now has equity...and lots of it. He paid $401m. The franchise is now worth over $1billion. He can afford it.

[BobbieL]

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2018-nba-draft-trade-rumors-grizzlies-testing-market-for-chandler-parsons-no-4-pick/

Damn. Warren, 16, 2019 1st for Parson, #4?

Perspective please. Parsons has 50M guaranteed that we would have to absorb. $50M for the #4 pick is really, really expensive. Only owners with the deepest of pockets could afford to write off 50M AND pay the 4th pick of the draft.

Memphis should give us 2 picks for 50M.

In a vacuum, sure. But in reality an NBA owner is required to spend to the floor regardless. You would also be sending cash out with Warren, possibly Dudley or Chandler. Spending to the cap or just above it is not the same as paying $50 for the asset.

If its Chandler and Dudley -- its 25m basically as the first season is a wash so the second season is all on Phoenix

If its Warren/Chandler - the number drops to 14m or something because the Grizz would pay TJ in Parsons final season

If Parsons is healthy - his outside shooting would be an asset and Warren is probably not needed with Doncic and Parsons

Again, I think a value add for the Suns over say a third first rounder is seeing if Green for Williams/Ulis would be of interest to the Grizz - that's straight saving - mo money mo money

[TeamTragic]

Perspective please. Parsons has 50M guaranteed that we would have to absorb. $50M for the #4 pick is really, really expensive. Only owners with the deepest of pockets could afford to write off 50M AND pay the 4th pick of the draft.

Memphis should give us 2 picks for 50M.

In a vacuum, sure. But in reality an NBA owner is required to spend to the floor regardless. You would also be sending cash out with Warren, possibly Dudley or Chandler. Spending to the cap or just above it is not the same as paying $50 for the asset.

Sarver owes us. And unlike when he first bought the team and was a cheap ass, he now has equity...and lots of it. He paid $401m. The franchise is now worth over $1billion. He can afford it.

Exactly. Everyone acts like the SUNS were not a good investment

[BobbieL]

In a vacuum, sure. But in reality an NBA owner is required to spend to the floor regardless. You would also be sending cash out with Warren, possibly Dudley or Chandler. Spending to the cap or just above it is not the same as paying $50 for the asset.

Sarver owes us. And unlike when he first bought the team and was a cheap ass, he now has equity...and lots of it. He paid $401m. The franchise is now worth over $1billion. He can afford it.

Exactly. Everyone acts like the SUNS were not a good investment

one big factor - chandler parsons has to be healthy

if healthy with Doncic - with Warren, two draft picks - I am good with that trade for the Suns

[LukasBMW]

Sarver owes us. And unlike when he first bought the team and was a cheap ass, he now has equity...and lots of it. He paid $401m. The franchise is now worth over $1billion. He can afford it.

Exactly. Everyone acts like the SUNS were not a good investment

one big factor - chandler parsons has to be healthy

if healthy with Doncic - with Warren, two draft picks - I am good with that trade for the Suns

I doubt Memphis does a deal though. Even if they are hurting, the fans would riot.

Plus the offers on the main board are way better. The Cavs could offer #8 and Love for #4. That deal makes so much sense. Gilbert can add another possible future star @4 and get a jump on his rebuild.

[BobbieL]

Exactly. Everyone acts like the SUNS were not a good investment

one big factor - chandler parsons has to be healthy

if healthy with Doncic - with Warren, two draft picks - I am good with that trade for the Suns

I doubt Memphis does a deal though. Even if they are hurting, the fans would riot.

Plus the offers on the main board are way better. The Cavs could offer #8 and Love for #4. That deal makes so much sense. Gilbert can add another possible future star @4 and get a jump on his rebuild.

If the Clippers are truly offering two picks and Harris - that seems like a no-brainer

if the Cavs offer 8 Love and another pick for Parsons and 4 - that would be better too 0- would agree

[King4Day]

In the general board, I'm seeing the following potential offers (as centerpieces) for the 4th pick/Parsons. Obviously it's all fan ideas but still. It shows you we don't have nearly enough to compete with offers like Derozen or Love and the 8th pick. That is of course those teams would actually do it.

Derozen

Love / #8

Wiggins

Clippers for #12, #13, Thornwell, Tobias Harris

[starbosa10]

In the general board, I'm seeing the following potential offers (as centerpieces) for the 4th pick/Parsons. Obviously it's all fan ideas but still. It shows you we don't have nearly enough to compete with offers like Derozen or Love and the 8th pick. That is of course those teams would actually do it.

Derozen

Love / #8

Wiggins

Clippers for #12, #13, Thornwell, Tobias Harris

As you said though it's just posts on the GB, it depends if those teams are willing to go to those lengths. I'd be shocked if Cavs took that horrible contract and dealt Love just to move up 4 spots. Clippers deal is the only realistic one you listed ( i know you're just posting what was on GB so not shooting the messanger )

[TeamTragic]

In the general board, I'm seeing the following potential offers (as centerpieces) for the 4th pick/Parsons. Obviously it's all fan ideas but still. It shows you we don't have nearly enough to compete with offers like Derozen or Love and the 8th pick. That is of course those teams would actually do it.

Derozen

Love / #8

Wiggins

Clippers for #12, #13, Thornwell, Tobias Harris

As you said though it's just posts on the GB, it depends if those teams are willing to go to those lengths. I'd be shocked if Cavs took that horrible contract and dealt Love just to move up 4 spots. Clippers deal is the only realistic one you listed ( i know you're just posting what was on GB so not shooting the messenger )

Gilbert not going to take on Parsons. That is beyond ridiculous.

[Dr Manute]

Perspective please. Parsons has 50M guaranteed that we would have to absorb. $50M for the #4 pick is really, really expensive. Only owners with the deepest of pockets could afford to write off 50M AND pay the 4th pick of the draft.

Memphis should give us 2 picks for 50M.

In a vacuum, sure. But in reality an NBA owner is required to spend to the floor regardless. You would also be sending cash out with Warren, possibly Dudley or Chandler. Spending to the cap or just above it is not the same as paying $50 for the asset.

Sarver owes us. And unlike when he first bought the team and was a cheap ass, he now has equity...and lots of it. He paid $401m. The franchise is now worth over $1billion. He can afford it.

How many years of "bad" basketball have we had to endure? Does he want a new arena? He can't afford to be cheap!!

[Kerrsed]

one big factor - chandler parsons has to be healthy

if healthy with Doncic - with Warren, two draft picks - I am good with that trade for the Suns

I doubt Memphis does a deal though. Even if they are hurting, the fans would riot.

Plus the offers on the main board are way better. The Cavs could offer #8 and Love for #4. That deal makes so much sense. Gilbert can add another possible future star @4 and get a jump on his rebuild.

If the Clippers are truly offering two picks and Harris - that seems like a no-brainer

if the Cavs offer 8 Love and another pick for Parsons and 4 - that would be better too 0- would agree

I keep seeing Loves name thrown around, but the Cavs arnt trading Love until the find out whats going on with Lebron, so that would be well past the draft.