2018 Free Agency and Trade Discussion continued

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[NavLDO]

1. Knight
2. Booker
3. Warren
4. Ariza
5. Ayton

Book it

Which leaves Okobo, Harrison, JJ, Bridges, Bender, and Chriss on the Bench...only our future. But hey, let's make sure Knight and Ariza earn their paychecks; I mean, I guess it makes sense, but why not start Chandler over Ayton, this way, we can have the highest priced, lowest producing starting 5 in the history of the NBA!

1. Knight - $14.6M
2. Booker - $27.2M (extension + this year/6)
3. Warren - $11.8M
4. Ariza - $15M
5. Chandler - $13.6M

So, for a cool $82.2M, we can start the most uninspired NBA team...ever. We could get into the Guinness Book of World Records with this, and then, attempt to unseat, who, the Cavs (?) as the team with most consecutive #1 Overall Picks!

Ugh, in all seriousness, I hope our HC understands that we have 11 players on our roster UNDER the age of 25. Remove the obvious Booker, and that leaves 10 players, and of those 10 players, we have #1, 2 x #4, #8, #10, and a #14 lotto picks on our roster that need playing time. Knight, Ariza??? Not so much. If Igor has any cohones, his starting5 will look something more like:

1. Booker
2. JJ
3. Bridges
4. Warren/Chriss
5. Ayton

or, more traditionally...

1. Harrison
2. Booker
3. JJ/Bridges
4. Chriss
5. Ayton

Yes, Warren is better, but if we aren't legitimately competing this season, then gosh darn-it, develop our young talent. Igor can make it something close to:

1. Harrison / Okobo
2. Booker / JJ
3. Warren / Bridges
4. Bender / Chriss
5. Ayton / Holmes

Whereby each gets between 20-28 minutes, and find a way between the 2/3/4 positions to get Davon Reed involved, as well, and if he surpasses another young guy, then give him the minutes. What about Ariza and Knight, you say? I don't care. But I know that's not how it's going to work, and likely by Chriss' absence in SL, we may have seen his last days as a Sun.

I've heard this same crappy argument for the last four years. Crying about PJ Tucker playing in front of youth and stifling development. Chandler in front of Len, Dudley in front of Bender/Chriss. FREE THE YOUTH! FREE THE YOUTH!!

Aren't we tired of seeing undeserving 18-19 year olds gifted starting minutes or major playing time. Youngsters need to be hungry for playing time. Earn it. Instead we've watched 19-20 year olds as Suns starters get beat up nightly by 27-30 year old legitimate starters.

The plan at the beginning of the season should be simple ... try to win! Put the best team on the floor and see what comes of it. If they win/compete awesome ... if they are out of contention by January play the youth. This insistence on playing youth starting on the first game of the season is ridiculous.

I see how well the alternative has worked. Playoff success year in and year out.

You are completely missing my point, and BTW, without Booker and Warren getting those minutes, and JJ, as well, who showed true progression last year, how do you, pray tell, expect our HC to find out how they match up against top NBA talent? Are we that poor of talent evaluators? Why do other teams have success playing their top new talent, eh? Heck, even the LAL got real play out of a 20-somethings pick last year.

So, I suspect, you are against Ayton starting, then? No, because he showed in SL? Well, so did Bridges.

And you missed my main point anyway, which isn't really to start five sub 25 year olds; it was to use the 11 or so we have to actually try to bring in really talent, rather than continue trot out BK...really? That's what you are banking on? Good luck!

[NavLDO]

McDeepEnd needs to make a splash

He hasn’t been able to pull anything off that had immediate impact. He filled our cupboards up with paper and prospects while preaching patience and potential. Can’t do that too much longer. Without results. McDownTheStretchHeComes’ future here may be riding on his next deal.

While I wholeheartedly agree, what possible splash could he make at this point? He's already blown his wad...$15M of it...on more mediocre talent--one we can't trade until January? Or were you think the ever-so-coveted talent/contracts of BK or Chandler?

Face it man, we've got $43M in wasted contract cap-space this season spent on mediocrity, at best.

[Frank Lee]

I hear you Nav. Blowing the wad on Ariza just may be a tell tale of complacency... I don’t think he has much trade value come December, or rather more so much market. He’d have to go to a contender, who would be unlikely to give up decent talent for a hired gun. So he here for the duration. That FA signing baffles me other than he is hired to be more coach than competitor. Sound familiar? At least he is just on a chunky one yr, rather than the three Yr Retirement packages McDealOfTheCentury was passing out in the past. Ariza’s presence will not be negative expect if compared to a ‘what if’ scenario. I really think, in an effort to justify it, Ariza was added to benefit the coach. I’ll just look at it as he has replaced Chudley, whose contributions diminished to Watson-like twitter praise.

All said, I have no idea what the plans are here other than being set up for another FA attempt next year, as any trades will be tied to the improvements of our crew of underachievers and unknowns.
(Yawn, head shake)

[Saberestar]

I hear you Nav. Blowing the wad on Ariza just may be a tell tale of complacency... I don’t think he has much trade value come December, or rather more so much market. He’d have to go to a contender, who would be unlikely to give up decent talent for a hired gun. So he here for the duration. That FA signing baffles me other than he is hired to be more coach than competitor. Sound familiar? At least he is just on a chunky one yr, rather than the three Yr Retirement packages McDealOfTheCentury was passing out in the past. Ariza’s presence will not be negative expect if compared to a ‘what if’ scenario. I really think, in an effort to justify it, Ariza was added to benefit the coach. I’ll just look at it as he has replaced Chudley, whose contributions diminished to Watson-like twitter praise.

All said, I have no idea what the plans are here other than being set up for another FA attempt next year, as any trades will be tied to the improvements of our crew of underachievers and unknowns.
(Yawn, head shake)

Not happy at all with the offseason.

Every year McDonough says the same garbage.
He said that we wanted to change the roster and sign or trade for veteran good players to try to win for real.

We are close to the end of the summer and we have added three rookies and two role players. WOW....impressive.

And where is our starting PG?

The only good move of the summer was extending Booker. Period.

[rcc8884]

McDeepEnd needs to make a splash

He hasn’t been able to pull anything off that had immediate impact. He filled our cupboards up with paper and prospects while preaching patience and potential. Can’t do that too much longer. Without results. McDownTheStretchHeComes’ future here may be riding on his next deal.

While I wholeheartedly agree, what possible splash could he make at this point? He's already blown his wad...$15M of it...on more mediocre talent--one we can't trade until January? Or were you think the ever-so-coveted talent/contracts of BK or Chandler?

Face it man, we've got $43M in wasted contract cap-space this season spent on mediocrity, at best.

I do not want him to make a trade because it will be a trade where we give up assets for a mediocre player on a big contract where McD is trying to save his job. I would rather us just not do anything but let Booker and others get a year older and wait for the Warriors to fall apart over the next two years. No reason to trade assets to get the 8 seed in the playoffs to lose to the Warriors then set us up in another downward spiral

[Waylay13]

McDeepEnd needs to make a splash

He hasn’t been able to pull anything off that had immediate impact. He filled our cupboards up with paper and prospects while preaching patience and potential. Can’t do that too much longer. Without results. McDownTheStretchHeComes’ future here may be riding on his next deal.

While I wholeheartedly agree, what possible splash could he make at this point? He's already blown his wad...$15M of it...on more mediocre talent--one we can't trade until January? Or were you think the ever-so-coveted talent/contracts of BK or Chandler?

Face it man, we've got $43M in wasted contract cap-space this season spent on mediocrity, at best.

I do not want him to make a trade because it will be a trade where we give up assets for a mediocre player on a big contract where McD is trying to save his job. I would rather us just not do anything but let Booker and others get a year older and wait for the Warriors to fall apart over the next two years. No reason to trade assets to get the 8 seed in the playoffs to lose to the Warriors then set us up in another downward spiral

The goal shouldnt be to just make the playoffs but to build a team that will have long term success. I want see this team come out an fight hard every single night; we are still one youngest teams in the NBA but we need to be mindful that the habits that we are building now will carry over into the future. Do I expect to make the playoffs this year? No. I would love it if we could but I really think that we are looking at the shape of the team for the future in the draft picks of Ayton, Jackson and Bridges. I think they are going to form a solid defensive team that is going to fight hard all of the time.

[bigfoot]

Which leaves Okobo, Harrison, JJ, Bridges, Bender, and Chriss on the Bench...only our future. But hey, let's make sure Knight and Ariza earn their paychecks; I mean, I guess it makes sense, but why not start Chandler over Ayton, this way, we can have the highest priced, lowest producing starting 5 in the history of the NBA!

1. Knight - $14.6M
2. Booker - $27.2M (extension + this year/6)
3. Warren - $11.8M
4. Ariza - $15M
5. Chandler - $13.6M

So, for a cool $82.2M, we can start the most uninspired NBA team...ever. We could get into the Guinness Book of World Records with this, and then, attempt to unseat, who, the Cavs (?) as the team with most consecutive #1 Overall Picks!

Ugh, in all seriousness, I hope our HC understands that we have 11 players on our roster UNDER the age of 25. Remove the obvious Booker, and that leaves 10 players, and of those 10 players, we have #1, 2 x #4, #8, #10, and a #14 lotto picks on our roster that need playing time. Knight, Ariza??? Not so much. If Igor has any cohones, his starting5 will look something more like:

1. Booker
2. JJ
3. Bridges
4. Warren/Chriss
5. Ayton

or, more traditionally...

1. Harrison
2. Booker
3. JJ/Bridges
4. Chriss
5. Ayton

Yes, Warren is better, but if we aren't legitimately competing this season, then gosh darn-it, develop our young talent. Igor can make it something close to:

1. Harrison / Okobo
2. Booker / JJ
3. Warren / Bridges
4. Bender / Chriss
5. Ayton / Holmes

Whereby each gets between 20-28 minutes, and find a way between the 2/3/4 positions to get Davon Reed involved, as well, and if he surpasses another young guy, then give him the minutes. What about Ariza and Knight, you say? I don't care. But I know that's not how it's going to work, and likely by Chriss' absence in SL, we may have seen his last days as a Sun.

I've heard this same crappy argument for the last four years. Crying about PJ Tucker playing in front of youth and stifling development. Chandler in front of Len, Dudley in front of Bender/Chriss. FREE THE YOUTH! FREE THE YOUTH!!

Aren't we tired of seeing undeserving 18-19 year olds gifted starting minutes or major playing time. Youngsters need to be hungry for playing time. Earn it. Instead we've watched 19-20 year olds as Suns starters get beat up nightly by 27-30 year old legitimate starters.

The plan at the beginning of the season should be simple ... try to win! Put the best team on the floor and see what comes of it. If they win/compete awesome ... if they are out of contention by January play the youth. This insistence on playing youth starting on the first game of the season is ridiculous.

I see how well the alternative has worked. Playoff success year in and year out.

What alternative?? Jackson was gifted a starting role in the first three games last season. Net result two forty points losses and the firing of a head coach. Immediately he was benched for Mike James by Triano and we start winning. The year before Chriss is gifted starting minutes by Watson within the first two weeks and Dudley sits.

You are completely missing my point, and BTW, without Booker and Warren getting those minutes, and JJ, as well, who showed true progression last year, how do you, pray tell, expect our HC to find out how they match up against top NBA talent? Are we that poor of talent evaluators? Why do other teams have success playing their top new talent, eh? Heck, even the LAL got real play out of a 20-somethings pick last year.

Very few team have starting rookies. Your example of Kuzma is slightly off. Sure he contributed but it was as a bench player against lower caliber talent until he proved he could play well. It should be important to recognize a coach's job is to put his players in a position to be successful. It helps build confidence. That is, you don't put unproven rookies in against starter quality players. The other thing to point out is Kuzma was 22.

So, I suspect, you are against Ayton starting, then? No, because he showed in SL? Well, so did Bridges.

It does worry me a bit that Ayton may not be mentally ready to play a starting role, especially on the defensive side at the beginning of the season. If he got 32 minutes per game and Chandler got 16 but was the starter is that a big deal? Especially for the first 10-15 games of the season? Bridges again should prove he's capable of play well against bench units before being given starter minutes.

And you missed my main point anyway, which isn't really to start five sub 25 year olds; it was to use the 11 or so we have to actually try to bring in really talent, rather than continue trot out BK...really? That's what you are banking on? Good luck!

I don't disagree we should move some of our youth (JJ, Bender, Chriss) and future draft picks for higher level talent. It would have to be star level talent though. It was something the Colangelo's did often ... Nance for assets, Finley/Cassel/Green for Kidd, Person/four draft picks for McDyess ... signing older star free agents like Chambers and Nash. Personally I would move JJ and Chriss plus a future draft pick or two for Kevin Love in a heartbeat. Love is only 29 years old and has the right skills to play another 5-6 years.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

I hear you Nav. Blowing the wad on Ariza just may be a tell tale of complacency... I don’t think he has much trade value come December, or rather more so much market. He’d have to go to a contender, who would be unlikely to give up decent talent for a hired gun. So he here for the duration. That FA signing baffles me other than he is hired to be more coach than competitor. Sound familiar? At least he is just on a chunky one yr, rather than the three Yr Retirement packages McDealOfTheCentury was passing out in the past. Ariza’s presence will not be negative expect if compared to a ‘what if’ scenario. I really think, in an effort to justify it, Ariza was added to benefit the coach. I’ll just look at it as he has replaced Chudley, whose contributions diminished to Watson-like twitter praise.

All said, I have no idea what the plans are here other than being set up for another FA attempt next year, as any trades will be tied to the improvements of our crew of underachievers and unknowns.
(Yawn, head shake)

Not happy at all with the offseason.

Every year McDonough says the same garbage.
He said that we wanted to change the roster and sign or trade for veteran good players to try to win for real.

We are close to the end of the summer and we have added three rookies and two role players. WOW....impressive.

And where is our starting PG?

The only good move of the summer was extending Booker. Period.

Who did you want as PG? From what I recall, the only starter we discussed who might have been available is Kemba, and I wasn't interested in giving up much for him.

IMO, we needed BK to get another chance, Shaq is a quality backup PG who deserved a rotation spot, and Okobo is a guy whose potential offsets to some degree the need to find a long-term vet solution at the 1 spot. Dragic was the same age when he came into the league but still needed four years to show that he's an NBA starter. Got rekt in summer league (so pls, be patient, you know, like we've been with our other youngsters ). Knight/Shaq/Okobo is obviously a big improvement over what we had after we dealt Bled last year, which was Ulis/James/[Accepting Applications].

Based on everything I've read, we signed the guy that would give us the best chance at being a better team next season, as well as an ideal role model for our players, with no long-term monetary commitment. We've kept our powder dry for a big move with plenty of young talent, a big expiring in Chandler, and an extra FRP available if the right player becomes available. I too prefer to watch our young players grow and get better organically, but I suspect Quese will be the odd man out even if he plays well, for the simple reason that he's not a C, but he's not a good fit next to Ayton, either.

[Saberestar]

I hear you Nav. Blowing the wad on Ariza just may be a tell tale of complacency... I don’t think he has much trade value come December, or rather more so much market. He’d have to go to a contender, who would be unlikely to give up decent talent for a hired gun. So he here for the duration. That FA signing baffles me other than he is hired to be more coach than competitor. Sound familiar? At least he is just on a chunky one yr, rather than the three Yr Retirement packages McDealOfTheCentury was passing out in the past. Ariza’s presence will not be negative expect if compared to a ‘what if’ scenario. I really think, in an effort to justify it, Ariza was added to benefit the coach. I’ll just look at it as he has replaced Chudley, whose contributions diminished to Watson-like twitter praise.

All said, I have no idea what the plans are here other than being set up for another FA attempt next year, as any trades will be tied to the improvements of our crew of underachievers and unknowns.
(Yawn, head shake)

Not happy at all with the offseason.

Every year McDonough says the same garbage.
He said that we wanted to change the roster and sign or trade for veteran good players to try to win for real.

We are close to the end of the summer and we have added three rookies and two role players. WOW....impressive.

And where is our starting PG?

The only good move of the summer was extending Booker. Period.

Who did you want as PG? From what I recall, the only starter we discussed who might have been available is Kemba, and I wasn't interested in giving up much for him.

IMO, we needed BK to get another chance, Shaq is a quality backup PG who deserved a rotation spot, and Okobo is a guy whose potential offsets to some degree the need to find a long-term vet solution at the 1 spot. Dragic was the same age when he came into the league but still needed four years to show that he's an NBA starter. Got rekt in summer league (so pls, be patient, you know, like we've been with our other youngsters ). Knight/Shaq/Okobo is obviously a big improvement over what we had after we dealt Bled last year, which was Ulis/James/[Accepting Applications].

Based on everything I've read, we signed the guy that would give us the best chance at being a better team next season, as well as an ideal role model for our players, with no long-term monetary commitment. We've kept our powder dry for a big move with plenty of young talent, a big expiring in Chandler, and an extra FRP available if the right player becomes available. I too prefer to watch our young players grow and get better organically, but I suspect Quese will be the odd man out even if he plays well, for the simple reason that he's not a C, but he's not a good fit next to Ayton, either.

A lot of possibilities out there in the draft (Young, Doncic, Sexton, Shai...) and in the trade market.

Do you think that a package around Miami unprotected pick and/or Mil pick and/or #16 were not good enough to get a PG like Dinwiddie, Russell, Shroeder, Darren Collison, Dragic, Hill, Brogdon, Beverley or other starting caliber PGs?

We had the assets but McDonough decided to use them on another direction.

Entering this season without a PG is a mistake.

[LukasBMW]

At the end of the day, we spent all our cap space and two decent draft picks on a 35 year old role player (Ariza) and a 22 year old late bloomer who did not do much in summer league.

I think we could have used the money and picks to obtain 2 solid impact players.

That is my biggest beef.

But who knows...gotta see how it plays out. At least we didn't sign Javal McGee, Beasley, and Rondo.

[starbosa10]

At the end of the day, we spent all our cap space and two decent draft picks on a 35 year old role player (Ariza) and a 22 year old late bloomer who did not do much in summer league.

I think we could have used the money and picks to obtain 2 solid impact players.

That is my biggest beef.

But who knows...gotta see how it plays out. At least we didn't sign Javal McGee, Beasley, and Rondo.

Are you really judging Bridges and his pick off a summer league and his age? He's a better player at 22 then Bender or Chriss will be at the same age. Bridges is going to have a great career and provides exactly what we are missing.

[lilfishi22]

At the end of the day, we spent all our cap space and two decent draft picks on a 35 year old role player (Ariza) and a 22 year old late bloomer who did not do much in summer league.

I think we could have used the money and picks to obtain 2 solid impact players.

That is my biggest beef.

But who knows...gotta see how it plays out. At least we didn't sign Javal McGee, Beasley, and Rondo.

I feel like I have to preface every one of my posts with the fact that I'm not a supporter of McD and have seen him as being in the hot seat since the previous offseason. But I don't understand what we could have done this offseason? Who are these TWO solid impact players that we could get for the assets we have? Who seriously wants Kemba for the likely trade cost and with a looming contract negotiations upcoming? Which solid impact PG was there? THe only guy I honestly like was FVV and he was going to cost a poison-pill contract to get him. Pat Beverely? Teodosic? I like them but they are under contract and you need two to tango in trades.

Ariza just turned 33 and plays a brand of basketball that doesn't rely on athleticism. His leadership especially on the defensive end has been much publicised, he stretches the floor, he knows how to play in a winning scheme, he's got a ton of very high level experience and most importantly, he's still in his prime. I always go back to the Reddick signing in Philadelphia. He was exactly what they needed on a young squad that needed someone who fit their needs and brought experience. That's all we needed from a player.

This offseason's top FA's were
Clint Capela - RFA (Rockets were going to match anything)
Jabari Parker - RFA (no thanks)
Marcus Smart - RFA (4yr $52m....)
Wayne Ellington - FA (good shooter but we don't need more undersized wings)
Rodney Hood - RFA (still no contract, for good reason)
Luc Mbah A Moute - FA (I like him but Ariza is a more proven version of him)
Michael Beasley
Greg Monroe
Shabazz Napier - FA (he's a guy I like)
Yogi Ferrell

Let me repeat myself, I'm not completely satisfied with what our offseason had looked like thus far but given the available FA's and teams not giving up quality players for just money/picks, I don't see what else we could have done. I could so easily have said we should've gotten FVV for the same deal he got from Toronto but that's easier said than done. I could so easily have said, we should've moved Chandler for a decent player on a bad deal but who's giving up a decent player to us for Chandler's expiring deal? I don't think McD is a great GM but I'm confident he's done his due diligence when it comes to testing the market on virtually all of our players (minus the untouchables).

[lilfishi22]

I hear you Nav. Blowing the wad on Ariza just may be a tell tale of complacency... I don’t think he has much trade value come December, or rather more so much market. He’d have to go to a contender, who would be unlikely to give up decent talent for a hired gun. So he here for the duration. That FA signing baffles me other than he is hired to be more coach than competitor. Sound familiar? At least he is just on a chunky one yr, rather than the three Yr Retirement packages McDealOfTheCentury was passing out in the past. Ariza’s presence will not be negative expect if compared to a ‘what if’ scenario. I really think, in an effort to justify it, Ariza was added to benefit the coach. I’ll just look at it as he has replaced Chudley, whose contributions diminished to Watson-like twitter praise.

All said, I have no idea what the plans are here other than being set up for another FA attempt next year, as any trades will be tied to the improvements of our crew of underachievers and unknowns.
(Yawn, head shake)

Not happy at all with the offseason.

Every year McDonough says the same garbage.
He said that we wanted to change the roster and sign or trade for veteran good players to try to win for real.

We are close to the end of the summer and we have added three rookies and two role players. WOW....impressive.

And where is our starting PG?

The only good move of the summer was extending Booker. Period.

Who did you want as PG? From what I recall, the only starter we discussed who might have been available is Kemba, and I wasn't interested in giving up much for him.

IMO, we needed BK to get another chance, Shaq is a quality backup PG who deserved a rotation spot, and Okobo is a guy whose potential offsets to some degree the need to find a long-term vet solution at the 1 spot. Dragic was the same age when he came into the league but still needed four years to show that he's an NBA starter. Got rekt in summer league (so pls, be patient, you know, like we've been with our other youngsters ). Knight/Shaq/Okobo is obviously a big improvement over what we had after we dealt Bled last year, which was Ulis/James/[Accepting Applications].

Based on everything I've read, we signed the guy that would give us the best chance at being a better team next season, as well as an ideal role model for our players, with no long-term monetary commitment. We've kept our powder dry for a big move with plenty of young talent, a big expiring in Chandler, and an extra FRP available if the right player becomes available. I too prefer to watch our young players grow and get better organically, but I suspect Quese will be the odd man out even if he plays well, for the simple reason that he's not a C, but he's not a good fit next to Ayton, either.

I personally don't agree with the long leash McD has had thus far in his tenure but I have to agree with this post especially regarding the Ariza signing. The rationale behind signing Ariza is sound imo

[Waylay13]

I think we could have used the money and picks to obtain 2 solid impact players.

That is my biggest beef.

I think we did optain 2 solid impact players in Ariza and Bridges. Ariza will impart the mentally of being a winner on the team and Bridges is an amazing 3 and d player who fits the direction of the team moving forward.

[King4Day]

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Dunno if this was posted or not.
I could see Williams taking the two-way deal and then we officially sign him if/when we buyout Chandler after the deadline.

[MrMiyagi]

What is with all the worrywarts around here lately?

[bwgood77]

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Dunno if this was posted or not.
I could see Williams taking the two-way deal and then we officially sign him if/when we buyout Chandler after the deadline.

I kind of figured whoever didn't get a roster spot between Canaan or Shaq might get that 2 way. But I wouldn't mind Williams either. We probably need more PG depth though with a guy coming off injury (who was among the worst players in the league the previous year) and a rookie as the others.

[rcc8884]

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Dunno if this was posted or not.
I could see Williams taking the two-way deal and then we officially sign him if/when we buyout Chandler after the deadline.

I kind of figured whoever didn't get a roster spot between Canaan or Shaq might get that 2 way. But I wouldn't mind Williams either. We probably need more PG depth though with a guy coming off injury (who was among the worst players in the league the previous year) and a rookie as the others.

Personally, I would rather just cut Canaan and I'm hoping we only signed him to a training camp deal because it was the right thing to do coming off of his injury. He fell out of the Bulls rotation at the year before last then played pretty poorly in the 3 playoff games he was forced into due to injuries to Rondo and Jerian Grant (except the first game he played decently, but the last two where he started were pretty bad).

I want to keep Shaq as his hustle will wear off on other players during practice and he could create a much-needed spark in our defense just due to others seeing his mentality.

I like Alan Williams but I don't really see him as someone we need as we already have a logjam at forward where Ariza is apparently playing while Bender, Chriss, and maybe even Jackson are also going to get minutes there. I would rather keep the second two-way open for the beginning of the season.

[AtheJ415]

I'd almost rather keep Sauce than any of the 5th string PGs because his mom is the Chief of Police. Kidn of a tie-breaker in the sense of keeping players out of legal trouble when they do something stupid but minor.

That said, I almost prefer a roster with only 2 centers, and we already have 2.5 between Ayton, Holmes, and Chriss at times.