Free agency and trade ideas: Which wings do we go after this summer?

[Frank Lee]

Anyone else get an odd feeling that we have heard no news regarding Tyler picking up his option?

I still believe there is a reasonable chance he doesn't. He is owed $12m cash not the $19m that is counting against the cap.

I would consider it if I were him. Would you take say 4 years/$24m to go to where you want or stay at the Suns for 1 year/$12m and potentially tank any value you have?

It would make the offseason very interesting especially if the renounce Bender and trade Warren/Jackson.

I think we are the place TJo wants to be and it is we who will redo his deal. It’s the no brainer way to get 8-10 mill extra cap space.

Theoretically, we can keep TJo and have 15+ mill to add a legit PF. BTW, I’m not ready to give up on Melton yet.

No need to panic a move... we have a decent core. Just add that PF and then make a hard move for Lonzo

Also
My bet is bronx native Kemba will be a Knick with a KD

[lilfishi22]

Anyone else get an odd feeling that we have heard no news regarding Tyler picking up his option?

I still believe there is a reasonable chance he doesn't. He is owed $12m cash not the $19m that is counting against the cap.

I would consider it if I were him. Would you take say 4 years/$24m to go to where you want or stay at the Suns for 1 year/$12m and potentially tank any value you have?

It would make the offseason very interesting especially if the renounce Bender and trade Warren/Jackson.

I think we are the place TJo wants to be and it is we who will redo his deal. It’s the no brainer way to get 8-10 mill extra cap space.

Theoretically, we can keep TJo and have 15+ mill to add a legit PF. BTW, I’m not ready to give up on Melton yet.

No need to panic a move... we have a decent core. Just add that PF and then make a hard move for Lonzo

Also
My bet is bronx native Kemba will be a Knick with a KD

Interesting take

Where do you think Kyrie and Kawhi go?

[bwgood77]

Anyone else get an odd feeling that we have heard no news regarding Tyler picking up his option?

I still believe there is a reasonable chance he doesn't. He is owed $12m cash not the $19m that is counting against the cap.

I would consider it if I were him. Would you take say 4 years/$24m to go to where you want or stay at the Suns for 1 year/$12m and potentially tank any value you have?

It would make the offseason very interesting especially if the renounce Bender and trade Warren/Jackson.

Has that been confirmed?

I don't think so. I thought it was disproven a while back but I am not sure, but I'm pretty sure he gets over $19 million this year.

According to spotrac, it says his "Cash Earnings" this year, on the far right column in green, is $19,245,370. That's about as definitive proof as you will see. I don't have any reason to believe it is incorrect. In 2018-19 it lists his cash lower than his cap hit for some reason (but if anything is wrong, that line appears to be, because in parentheses it mentions his cumulative cash to date, and it never hits $50...it falls short of the difference of the 3rd year).

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/phoenix-suns/tyler-johnson-15645/

[Saberestar]

I still believe there is a reasonable chance he doesn't. He is owed $12m cash not the $19m that is counting against the cap.

I would consider it if I were him. Would you take say 4 years/$24m to go to where you want or stay at the Suns for 1 year/$12m and potentially tank any value you have?

It would make the offseason very interesting especially if the renounce Bender and trade Warren/Jackson.

Has that been confirmed?

I don't think so. I thought it was disproven a while back but I am not sure, but I'm pretty sure he gets over $19 million this year.

According to spotrac, it says his "Cash Earnings" this year, on the far right column in green, is $19,245,370. That's about as definitive proof as you will see. I don't have any reason to believe it is incorrect. In 2018-19 it lists his cash lower than his cap hit for some reason (but if anything is wrong, that line appears to be, because in parentheses it mentions his cumulative cash to date, and it never hits $50...it falls short of the difference of the 3rd year).

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/phoenix-suns/tyler-johnson-15645/

Yeah, I think that Tyler Johnson is gonna get his $19M+ this next season, and we would need to play him as a role player or trade him next to some other asset for a better player.

I have seen that Cory Joseph is a Rich Paul's client too. I hope that we are open to work with Rich Paul and his clients again.

[Frank Lee]

I swear I heard a talking head explain his deal saying he got his 50 mill in four chunks of 12.5. , but I can’t find confirmation anywhere. Probably a mistake... my bad if so for professing a sneaky loop holish option. Likely if it was true, more would have been said/written and it would not made as much dollar sense to Miami to sidestep his lux tax hit if the bottom line was already adjusted.

He might not be as easy to resign as what I previously thought, unless he just really digs being here. It would likely take another 4 yr 50 mill .... ouch, tho almost all of these new deals come with a degree of sticker shock. (Marcus Smart was inked 4 for 50)

However, I still would rather keep his expiring deal than trade for one that carries over a few more years ie Conley or Love. He is a positive influence on this team going forward.

[Frank Lee]

Committing to a Corey Joseph type dude is not an up grade, IMO...and just a mediocre yawner of a signing. I’ll take another year of Melton at a fraction of his cost.

I really think PF is the priority or at least it should be

[King4Day]

Anyone else get an odd feeling that we have heard no news regarding Tyler picking up his option?

I still believe there is a reasonable chance he doesn't. He is owed $12m cash not the $19m that is counting against the cap.

I would consider it if I were him. Would you take say 4 years/$24m to go to where you want or stay at the Suns for 1 year/$12m and potentially tank any value you have?

It would make the offseason very interesting especially if the renounce Bender and trade Warren/Jackson.

I'd love to be wrong (and maybe I am), but I believe he was paid around 5+mil the first 2 years of his deal and 19+ mil the final 2 years. I haven't been able to find anything about what he actually makes compared to his actual cap hit this final season.

SEASON MIAMI HEAT/PHOENIX SUNS

2016/17 $5,628,000
2017/18 $5,821,260
2018/19 $19,245,370
2019/20 $19,245,370

https://hoopshype.com/player/tyler-johnson/salary/

If he did opt out, Miami would have to be kicking themselves for doing that deal.

[Saberestar]

Committing to a Corey Joseph type dude is not an up grade, IMO...and just a mediocre yawner of a signing. I’ll take another year of Melton at a fraction of his cost.

I really think PF is the priority or at least it should be

Well, I am not a fan of Cory Joseph neither. I want to know that we can sign or trade for any player in the league, even those that are Rich Paul's clients.

[MathiasPW]

Anyone else get an odd feeling that we have heard no news regarding Tyler picking up his option?

I still believe there is a reasonable chance he doesn't. He is owed $12m cash not the $19m that is counting against the cap.

I would consider it if I were him. Would you take say 4 years/$24m to go to where you want or stay at the Suns for 1 year/$12m and potentially tank any value you have?

It would make the offseason very interesting especially if the renounce Bender and trade Warren/Jackson.

I'd love to be wrong (and maybe I am), but I believe he was paid around 5+mil the first 2 years of his deal and 19+ mil the final 2 years. I haven't been able to find anything about what he actually makes compared to his actual cap hit this final season.

SEASON MIAMI HEAT/PHOENIX SUNS

2016/17 $5,628,000
2017/18 $5,821,260
2018/19 $19,245,370
2019/20 $19,245,370

https://hoopshype.com/player/tyler-johnson/salary/

If he did opt out, Miami would have to be kicking themselves for doing that deal.

My understanding is the difference between salary and cap was structured into the Nets offer:

"The Gilbert Arenas provision allows Johnson to make $5.6 million and $5.8 million in the first two years of the deal, but salaries of $18.8 million and $19.6 million in 2018-19 and 2019-20 make the offer sheet more prohibitive for the Heat to match."

https://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources--nets-to-sign-tyler-johnson-to--50m-offer-sheet-145854260.html

"Brooklyn is also not bound to the onerous poison-pill structure. Because it is signing Johnson into cap space, it can smooth his $50 million salary over four years to a $12.5 million average. Johnson's cash earnings would still be the same, but his cap number would be more manageable, similar to Lin's 2012 deal with the Houston Rockets."

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2649872-tyler-johnson-reportedly-accepts-nets-offer-sheet-contract-details-and-reaction

But since the Heat matched it, they recognized his salaries as cap, and that smoothening effect was cancelled.

"If the Heat match, their cap would reflect the actual amounts paid out, except for this coming season, when the cap hit would be only $1.2 million, the amount of Johnson's qualifying offer. The Miami Herald has reported that ."

https://www.netsdaily.com/2016/7/7/12115556/tyler-johnson-signs-50-million-offer-sheet-giving-heat-three-days-to

So, yes, his salary equals his cap hit.

[RunDogGun]

Committing to a Corey Joseph type dude is not an up grade, IMO...and just a mediocre yawner of a signing. I’ll take another year of Melton at a fraction of his cost.

I really think PF is the priority or at least it should be

Well, I am not a fan of Cory Joseph neither. I want to know that we can sign or trade for any player in the league, even those that are Rich Paul's clients.

I am still leaning towards Satoransky over Joseph, although their stats are similar. https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=1&player_id1_hint=Tomas+Satoransky&player_id1_select=Tomas+Satoransky&player_id1=satorto01&player_id2_hint=Cory+Joseph&player_id2_select=Cory+Joseph&player_id2=josepco01&idx=players

[RunDogGun]

So bridging off what Frank is saying: use our cap space to secure a solid pf, then use our exceptions to grab a point (Satoransky), and another vet for cheap.
Sat/Tyler/Melton
Booker/Sat/?/Bridges(if he is working on his shooting)
TJ/Bridges/Oubre
FA/Oubre/(Clarke)
Ayton/Holmes/(Bender)
So this means we have to resign Oubre, Holmes, and Bender after we sign a FA pf. A scrapy second unit of Tyler, Bridges, Oubre, Clarke, and Holmes would be tough for any team to handle, but would be harder on spacing. However, I would push them to run and gun, and not have as many inside play. Let the wings and Tyler shoot, and Clarke and Holmes crash the boards. Throw Bender in there for spacing if needed.

Although, I would rather trade our two picks and a future second to ATL for their 8th and 10th, secure both spots of need with White and Clarke, and still go ahead and with plan above.

[Saberestar]

So bridging off what Frank is saying: use our cap space to secure a solid pf, then use our exceptions to grab a point (Satoransky), and another vet for cheap.
Sat/Tyler/Melton
Booker/Sat/?/Bridges(if he is working on his shooting)
TJ/Bridges/Oubre
FA/Oubre/(Clarke)
Ayton/Holmes/(Bender)
So this means we have to resign Oubre, Holmes, and Bender after we sign a FA pf. A scrapy second unit of Tyler, Bridges, Oubre, Clarke, and Holmes would be tough for any team to handle, but would be harder on spacing. However, I would push them to run and gun, and not have as many inside play. Let the wings and Tyler shoot, and Clarke and Holmes crash the boards. Throw Bender in there for spacing if needed.

Although, I would rather trade our two picks and a future second to ATL for their 8th and 10th, secure both spots of need with White and Clarke, and still go ahead and with plan above.

I would like that roster, but I am not sure about the contract that Satoransky deserves.

The Wizards can match any offer and they need him with Wall out. He is in their prime.

Would not they match something like $21M / 3 years?

[RunDogGun]

So bridging off what Frank is saying: use our cap space to secure a solid pf, then use our exceptions to grab a point (Satoransky), and another vet for cheap.
Sat/Tyler/Melton
Booker/Sat/?/Bridges(if he is working on his shooting)
TJ/Bridges/Oubre
FA/Oubre/(Clarke)
Ayton/Holmes/(Bender)
So this means we have to resign Oubre, Holmes, and Bender after we sign a FA pf. A scrapy second unit of Tyler, Bridges, Oubre, Clarke, and Holmes would be tough for any team to handle, but would be harder on spacing. However, I would push them to run and gun, and not have as many inside play. Let the wings and Tyler shoot, and Clarke and Holmes crash the boards. Throw Bender in there for spacing if needed.

Although, I would rather trade our two picks and a future second to ATL for their 8th and 10th, secure both spots of need with White and Clarke, and still go ahead and with plan above.

I would like that roster, but I am not sure about the contract that Satoransky deserves.

The Wizards can match any offer and they need him with Wall out. He is in their prime.

Would not they match something like $21M / 3 years?

Isn't one of our exceptions $9.2 mil? I would offer him $27mil/3 years if we are giving him the start. With Wall under contract still for $40mil/yr, they will need Sat, but it would be tough to match.

[King4Day]

So with Johnson's salary being that of his cap, wtf is he waiting on? There's no chance he's not going to pick it up. Unless he is waiting to see if a team will give him a contract that makes sense beyond this year.

[Saberestar]

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[Fo-Real]

I think we are undervaluing Tyler Johnson. I can see that if we can improve our situation with his expiring contract to get a bigger fish, obviously you do it but I dont see that happening. Everyone has said we need more of a combo guard, someone who can handle, distribute a little, defend and is a threat to score. Names like Satoranski, Cory Joseph and other COMBO guards keep coming up but are those guys BETTER than Tyler? Let's be real man, Tyler earned his contract and it's not like he fell way off after that skills wise, I think he had a string of injuries and the heat signed a lot of very similar players. The dude basically rested the end of the year and has the summer to get healthy and regain his former form. He IS an asset going forward, an athletic combo guard who defends like he gives a ****, scores when he should and can stick shots when you focus on Book or Ayton, at the least he could be start if needed or be your 1st guard off the bench. I can see us bringing in a vet real pg like Collison but Tyler could be a strong backup to pg or sg, he is better offensively than a guy like Marcus smart with a little less defense but he is way smarter. That said as someone mentioned we need to focus on upgrading at power forward, and minor at pg with a guy like Collison or someone mentioned George Hill should be available. I know both of those dudes have some age but both play the right way and have been good to sometimes great point guards and George defends his ass off!

[Saberestar]

So with Johnson's salary being that of his cap, wtf is he waiting on? There's no chance he's not going to pick it up. Unless he is waiting to see if a team will give him a contract that makes sense beyond this year.

Teams and players usually wait until the last day to pick up a team/player option. It is not strange.

[Crives]

Don’t forget this guy could be our pg of the future one day

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[MathiasPW]

So with Johnson's salary being that of his cap, wtf is he waiting on? There's no chance he's not going to pick it up. Unless he is waiting to see if a team will give him a contract that makes sense beyond this year.

He may have picked it up, already, but it hasn't been leaked, yet.

The only way you can make him renounce it is by offering a longer contract with an overpay in the upcoming years that more than compensates the current one.

So, let's say he would make 19 this year, than 10/year in the market next year. That would be $39/3 years, and we'd have to offer something like $42/3 years. It would save us around $5M this year, but would cost more in the long-run.

You only do this if you have a specific FA that has agreed to join and needs cap space, obviously.

Doing the research on his contract, I read this: http://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/17892288/how-miami-heat-guard-tyler-johnson-ended-50-million-contract

To pry him away from Miami, which had the right to match any contract, the Nets phoned Johnson's agents with a ballooning, back-loaded offer -- one that caused him to lie, facedown, on the carpet of their office.

And then flee, minutes later, for the safety of his hotel room across the street. And then call his mother, Jennifer, back home in Mountain View, California, to cryptically exhale, "We did it." And then vomit -- not once but twice -- as the sheer thought of a four-year, $50 million contract caused Tyler's body to revolt against his brain.

This guy is intense.

[WeekapaugGroove]

So with Johnson's salary being that of his cap, wtf is he waiting on? There's no chance he's not going to pick it up. Unless he is waiting to see if a team will give him a contract that makes sense beyond this year.

He may have picked it up, already, but it hasn't been leaked, yet.

The only way you can make him renounce it is by offering a longer contract with an overpay in the upcoming years that more than compensates the current one.

So, let's say he would make 19 this year, than 10/year in the market next year. That would be $39/3 years, and we'd have to offer something like $42/3 years. It would save us around $5M this year, but would cost more in the long-run.

You only do this if you have a specific FA that has agreed to join and needs cap space, obviously.

Doing the research on his contract, I read this: http://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/17892288/how-miami-heat-guard-tyler-johnson-ended-50-million-contract

To pry him away from Miami, which had the right to match any contract, the Nets phoned Johnson's agents with a ballooning, back-loaded offer -- one that caused him to lie, facedown, on the carpet of their office.

And then flee, minutes later, for the safety of his hotel room across the street. And then call his mother, Jennifer, back home in Mountain View, California, to cryptically exhale, "We did it." And then vomit -- not once but twice -- as the sheer thought of a four-year, $50 million contract caused Tyler's body to revolt against his brain.

This guy is intense.

That story cracks me up, I like Johnson but have to say if you offer a guy a contract that makes him puke with joy you might have overpaid lol. Good for him though.

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