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2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part V

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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part V 

Post#1421 » by thamadkant » Fri Apr 11, 2025 8:36 pm

Frank Lee wrote:Christ… y’all shttt on Booker, but then play trade games and fantasize about colossal returns.

Same with Beal… somehow he has value?

Take your crappy trades to the opposing fan bases and see what they say. Y’all got no guts just spewing the same nonsense over and over on this site, with the gratuitous reach arounds from the same chinwipers…….. you know who I’m talking about.
The broken record Dutch rudder brudders.

There is a thread on the trade board discussing Beal… and it goes no where. No body wants this guy dudes… oh sure, we add a couple picks and he’s gone, but since when does a late first rounder or two cost 110 mill? Trash out gets you trash in.

Try this exercise may be… since you have months before anything will happen… come up with a trade for Booker and or Durant that does not involve Houston or Detroit. if you can’t, then where is the leverage? Teams are not going to make the same mistake and gut their squads for either of our second fiddles. We are the ones over the barrel.



Trading Beal is last option.
Suns are literally better by just keeping him and letting him put up numbers and have a team trade for his expiring eventually.
But Suns FO are stupid.


Booker is definitely over rated by some but also under rate by others. He is a good scorer, but is mediocre athletically. The only thing he has over Lavine is that Booker's jump shot looks prettier and because today, fans are enamoured with long range shots, Booker looks good in their eyes. His Olympic inclusion also bolster his image. Like Carmelo Anthony before him.


Booker, however, would be a very good 2nd option to a shot and play maker like Cunningham, Doncic, Prime LeBron, Prime Butler and combo guards like Dame and Curry. Basically someone to be able to isolate part time but thrive as a off ball mid range shooter or 3pt shooter.
Some teams and GMs are in love with his game style because it looks pretty.... best is to take advantage of those GMs.
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part V 

Post#1422 » by Ghost of Kleine » Fri Apr 11, 2025 8:54 pm

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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part V 

Post#1423 » by Frank Lee » Fri Apr 11, 2025 9:07 pm

Trading Beal is last option.
Suns are literally better by just keeping him and letting him put up numbers and have a team trade for his expiring eventually.
But Suns FO are stupid.



What’s best for Beal? Why will he agree to be traded anywhere next yr but exactly where he wants to go? Why would he want to stay here another yr and get waxed every night, while getting scorned by fans?

I’d say, he would endorse a buyout stretch… then he could sign anywhere, even dare say a contending team, for a cheap deal. The fLakes would ink him at a minimum, as likely many others.

Being worried about cap space over the next few yrs is trivial. But its a hill several have chosen to defend.
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Post#1424 » by BobbieL » Fri Apr 11, 2025 9:10 pm

Frank Lee wrote:
Trading Beal is last option.
Suns are literally better by just keeping him and letting him put up numbers and have a team trade for his expiring eventually.
But Suns FO are stupid.



What’s best for Beal? Why will he agree to be traded anywhere next yr but exactly where he wants to go? Why would he want to stay here another yr and get waxed every night, while getting scorned by fans?

I’d say, he would endorse a buyout stretch… then he could sign anywhere, even dare say a contending team, for a cheap deal. The fLakes would ink him at a minimum, as likely many others.

Being worried about cap space over the next few yrs is trivial. But its a hill several have chosen to defend.


But the buyout stretch is a terrible option for the Suns. That means he is on the books for many more years
He is more valuable as an expiring in 2027
So you don't have the MLE this summer - big deal - that player is not going to make or break the Suns

Ishbia has to start thinking bigger picture and not so "what can I do now!!!"
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Post#1425 » by RaisingArizona » Fri Apr 11, 2025 10:23 pm

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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part V 

Post#1426 » by RaisingArizona » Fri Apr 11, 2025 10:24 pm

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Post#1427 » by SunsRback4Good » Fri Apr 11, 2025 11:42 pm

RaisingArizona wrote:Frank and I seeing eye-to-eye. I'm officially old.


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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part V 

Post#1428 » by thamadkant » Fri Apr 11, 2025 11:49 pm

Frank Lee wrote:
Trading Beal is last option.
Suns are literally better by just keeping him and letting him put up numbers and have a team trade for his expiring eventually.
But Suns FO are stupid.



What’s best for Beal? Why will he agree to be traded anywhere next yr but exactly where he wants to go? Why would he want to stay here another yr and get waxed every night, while getting scorned by fans?

I’d say, he would endorse a buyout stretch… then he could sign anywhere, even dare say a contending team, for a cheap deal. The fLakes would ink him at a minimum, as likely many others.

Being worried about cap space over the next few yrs is trivial. But its a hill several have chosen to defend.



Beal buyout is only an option if the Suns are signing another Star to re-load with Booker and KD.... which sadly is what Ishiba is MOST likely thinking about. Then Suns at best gets into play-in next season.... still doesnt fix the lack of picks and assets. Basically, Suns are going to be the Sacramento Kings until 2032.

Hence keeping Beal and trading KD and Booker for assets and picks is much better.... build a team for 2028-2029 season.
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Post#1429 » by Ghost of Kleine » Fri Apr 11, 2025 11:53 pm

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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part V 

Post#1432 » by BobbieL » Sat Apr 12, 2025 12:16 am

thamadkant wrote:
Frank Lee wrote:
Trading Beal is last option.
Suns are literally better by just keeping him and letting him put up numbers and have a team trade for his expiring eventually.
But Suns FO are stupid.



What’s best for Beal? Why will he agree to be traded anywhere next yr but exactly where he wants to go? Why would he want to stay here another yr and get waxed every night, while getting scorned by fans?

I’d say, he would endorse a buyout stretch… then he could sign anywhere, even dare say a contending team, for a cheap deal. The fLakes would ink him at a minimum, as likely many others.

Being worried about cap space over the next few yrs is trivial. But its a hill several have chosen to defend.



Beal buyout is only an option if the Suns are signing another Star to re-load with Booker and KD.... which sadly is what Ishiba is MOST likely thinking about. Then Suns at best gets into play-in next season.... still doesnt fix the lack of picks and assets. Basically, Suns are going to be the Sacramento Kings until 2032.

Hence keeping Beal and trading KD and Booker for assets and picks is much better.... build a team for 2028-2029 season.



But the Suns still won't be under the cap to sign anybody. Unless under the CBA, buyouts don't count against the cap

I would also trade O'Neal and Allen for 2nd round picks and expirings in 2027. So thats when you can get your cap in shape
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part V 

Post#1433 » by Ghost of Kleine » Sat Apr 12, 2025 12:32 am

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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part V 

Post#1434 » by Ghost of Kleine » Sat Apr 12, 2025 1:02 am

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April 11th, 2025- 4:36 P.M.

Bleacher Report listed several trade packages for Phoenix Suns superstar Kevin Durant in its NBA Daily Report video from Cone or @Three_Cone on X, formerly known as Twitter, this week.

The Suns are expected to look into dealing Durant in the offseason after entertaining trades before the 2025 NBA trade deadline.

Durant to Rockets:
Phoenix deals Durant to Houston for Dillon Brooks, Jabari Smith Jr., Reed Sheppard, Jock Landale — who played for the Suns in 2022-23 season — and two first-round picks.

Durant to Spurs:
Phoenix trades Durant to San Antonio for Devin Vassell, Keldon Johnson, and four first-round picks.

Durant to Grizzlies:
Phoenix deals Durant to Memphis for Desmond Bane, GG Jackson, Jon Konchar, two first-round picks, and a pick swap.

Durant to Heat:
Phoenix trades Durant to Miami for Kel’el Ware, Duncan Robinson, Terry Rozier, Jaime Jaquez, and three first-round picks.

Durant to Nuggets:
Phoenix deals Durant to Denver for Michael Porter Jr., Zeke Nnaji, DaRon Holmes II (who is from Phoenix), Julian Strawther, Hunter Tyson, two first-round picks, and a pick swap.

Bleacher Report also posted on Instagram possible trade ideas for players who have been eliminated from playoff contention.

Zach Buckley offered up one involving Phoenix trading Durant to Dallas:
for his former championship teammate in Golden State Klay Thompson, P.J. Washington, Jaden Hardy, and two first-round picks.
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part V 

Post#1435 » by thamadkant » Sat Apr 12, 2025 1:10 am

KD to Dallas is not going to happen unless Mavericks surrender 4 first rounders along with Klay.
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part V 

Post#1436 » by Slim Charless » Sat Apr 12, 2025 1:17 am

thamadkant wrote:KD to Dallas is not going to happen unless Mavericks surrender 4 first rounders along with Klay.



....plus Lively. That Dallas deal sucks the worst of all of those options. By far too.

I'd like that Memphis or HOU package the best out of those given selections personally.
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Post#1437 » by Frank Lee » Sat Apr 12, 2025 1:27 am

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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part V 

Post#1438 » by Slim Charless » Sat Apr 12, 2025 2:12 am

I need Cam Whitmore in that Houston deal tho. He's a must for me.
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part V 

Post#1439 » by BobbieL » Sat Apr 12, 2025 2:25 am

thamadkant wrote:KD to Dallas is not going to happen unless Mavericks surrender 4 first rounders along with Klay.



Suns would flip Klay I would think

Klay would not be a fit
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part V 

Post#1440 » by garrick » Sat Apr 12, 2025 3:02 am

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I see Daniel House and DJJ listed in this article but they were signed before JJ became GM right?

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