2013 Draft Thread

[jcsunsfan]

[quote="sunsfan88"]How about this scenario?

Trade our '13 lottery pick to the Utah Jazz for Burks and their two picks in the draft.

You can't be serious, trading a top 5 pick for a #14 pick and a pick in the 20s is an hilarious thought.

In this draft, maybe not so bad an idea. See where you land after the balls stop bouncing and check out the likely picks before you. If who you love is likely gone, look at who's going to be around later.

Burke, Noel, Porter, McLemore and Oladipo will be the top 5. McLemore is a must-take if he's there, but is Oladipo, much as I love his game?

Nope. As of now, Oladipo screams "role-player" to me.

Lets puts all our balls in one basket and go for Bazz.[/quote]

Why? Supremely efficient scorer. Tremendously athletic. Good shooter. Lock down defender.

His only flaw is the ability to create his own shot. And he was on a very good team with lots of options so he was not really asked to do that.

[PHX Maniak]

Suns should just go with whoever the best player available is, I think. Position doesn't matter. I hope that it's McLemore personally, but as long as we're in that top 4 and we get a guy who can accompany another nice high pick next year I'll be happy.

I'm not as sold on a guy like Oladipo being a "sure thing" like everyone else is. I mean I think he has lots of good tools and good potential but he's just as much of a risk as everyone else in the high pick range.

[Revived]

Not really, Frye's contract will be voided if he can't play and Beasley only really has 1 year left on it and another for just 3M$.

We are not going to trade one of the highest draft pick this team has ever had while we are in dire need of top notch young talent.

And to top it off we already have another first round pick even if it is just #30.

There is more of a chance of us trading up from say #4 to #2 to draft McLemore than us trading down to #14. That is absurd.

Ok and if Frye is able to play then that becomes a bad contract.

And what you said would usually be the truth but the exception is this draft. There really isn't THAT much of a difference between the top of the lottery and the end of the lottery.

McCollum when he was healthy outplayed McLemore. Yet McLemore is a projected top 3 pick while McCollum is considered a late lottery pick.

[JMac1]

Lets puts all our balls in one basket and go for Bazz.

I'm back on this bandwagon

[DRK]

Nope. As of now, Oladipo screams "role-player" to me.

Lets puts all our balls in one basket and go for Bazz.

Why? Supremely efficient scorer. Tremendously athletic. Good shooter. Lock down defender.

His only flaw is the ability to create his own shot. And he was on a very good team with lots of options so he was not really asked to do that.

Because any player with a half-decent jumpshot can score on that efficiency on that Indiana team.
Lets see him try and score with the defence paying him strong attention and then see what happens from there.

It'll be interesting to see how he performs in the workouts.

As of now, Bazz is my pick. His physical tools are through the roof, he''s got a post up game as a SG/SF, ability to hit shots off the screen with ease, and he brings that competitive fire. He will fit in perfect next to Dragic as a left-handed backcourt.

Also, he's the biggest and most well-known player in the draft (apart from Noel). That has to account for something to bring back relevancy in Phoenix, and put Phoenix back on the map...... The big name coming out of high school vs the kid from Indiana who only caught scout's eyes 3 months ago.........

[bigfoot]

I really don't like the idea of drafting Shabazz.

First he had an big advantage playing in high school being one year older than the other players. Easier to dominate when you are more physically mature.

Second he scored points at UCLA but only shot 44% and didn't do much else in the stat line. He's a high volume shooter and could just be the second coming of Shannon Brown.

At least Oladipo wasn't hyped like Shabazz. The kid got his shot by through stellar defense, hustle, and a high motor. His offensive game finally starts coming around this season so he gets noticed. To me Shabazz is probably at his peak offensively and really doesn't have much upside on the defensive side. Oladipo seems like he has a lot more to offer.

Dragic
Oladipo
Tucker
Frye
Gortat

Would be a stout defensive team and other than Dragic are good rebounders

Edit: As I recall Sebestain Telfair was a big name coming out of high school.

[RunSunRun]

Seriously, if it comes down to us having to choose between Bazz and Oladipo, I might be unconscious on draft night from drug/alcohol cocktails

[NaturalBuns]

Need best scoring threat we can get in draft as we are ranked bottom tier in almost all offensive stats.

[ASU MVP]

Seriously, if it comes down to us having to choose between Bazz and Oladipo, I might be unconscious on draft night from drug/alcohol cocktails

Same. We need the basketball gods to give us one break in our cursed history and land us a top 2 pick to land Mclemore or Noel. Anybody else and we are just going to acquire another bust/role player. I say we trade the pick if they are off the board because this draft is looking disgraceful. I do not want a decent prospect for a top 5 pick, I want a potential stud/really good player. I just don't see anybody that can even become a #2 option on a championship team besides Mclemore. Noel i really like due to his boards and defense. Olapido is looking like a best case third option and Shabazz.......lol. the kid can't even shoot 45% in college and offense is the only facet of his game where he is not handicap. Porter is decent but don't see him becoming anything more than a third option at best either. Bennet is too undersized and he has nowhere near the talent of Barkley to make up for it. Crap all over the place

[B-easy]

Pretty sure Oladipo is the pick, plus he is only 6 months older than Muhammed. He has mini d-wade potential, not even joking.

[ASU MVP]

Maybe Michael Jordan would be high enough to trade us their 1st next year unprotected for our pick this year. I mean the dude looks like he is baked 24/7 so maybe we can ask him at the right time and offer to throw in 2000 bags of Doritos and Cheetos, and a $5000 gift card to Cheba Hut. Then we can have a chance at Two of Wiggins/Parker/Randle

[ASU MVP]

Pretty sure Oladipo is the pick, plus he is only 6 months older than Muhammed. He has mini d-wade potential, not even joking.

If there even was a homeless man's version of D-Wade in this draft class, they would be consensus #1 pick. I just don't see it. Maybe it was Indy's system, but he was very anemic on offense. He shot a high percentage because he had good clean looks, you put NBA defense on him and I expect those %'s to fall like the Titanic. He is a great defensive player with athleticism though I will give him that

[Revived]

One thing I noticed about Shabazz is that he actually gets to the FT line at a pretty high rate compared to McLemore, and Oladipo.

Interesting...

[MathiasPW]

On the idea of trading our pick for both Utah picks: I also have a lot of faith in McCollum (Gollum Gollum!!), and think he will be a steal at #14th, but the cost here is too high.

Other trades that envolve shipping players and maybe future draft picks (except 2014, or 2014 protected) would be worth it

[TruthTelling]

And what you said would usually be the truth but the exception is this draft. There really isn't THAT much of a difference between the top of the lottery and the end of the lottery.

McCollum when he was healthy outplayed McLemore. Yet McLemore is a projected top 3 pick while McCollum is considered a late lottery pick.

You never make any sense.

McCollum is a senior and a 6'2/6'3 shooting guard and at best average athleticism.

McLemore is a freshman, 6'5, great athlete.

[TruthTelling]

Dragic
Oladipo
Tucker
Frye
Gortat

Would be a stout defensive team and other than Dragic are good rebounders

Edit: As I recall Sebestain Telfair was a big name coming out of high school.

That team is not a stout defensive team. It is the same **** defensive team we always had and if you think a 6'4 at best shooting guard rookie is going to change that you are lying to yourself.

Not to mention that team is atrocious offensively, nobody on that team can create any offense except for Dragic.

[MathiasPW]

that is a strong perimeter defending team, but not interior defense. I don't trust Frye as a rebounder or shotblocker (very poor positioning in the paint and box-out ability) and him and Gortat have multiple and multiple and multiple times been called out for playing too soft in these forums.

[Frank Lee]

How can you count on Frye at all ? We have heard no good news.... and the most recent interview with him was in Feb or March ?


Posted this earlier...
http://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/index.ssf/2013/02/channing_frye_forced_to_the_sideline_isnt_ready_to.html

Sounds more like he wants to return. But thats a far cry from being cleared to play. The guy hasn't ran for 6 months. Shades of John Shumate..... (look him up)


This Oladipo/Shabazz debate is moot. Both will help this team, neither will save it. I really don't think there is a 'difference maker' in this draft.

We are likely to gain the most talent from free agency, and done correctly, with a shrewd trade or two, we just might put together a decent enough line up to make some noise and have something to build upon.

[Frank Lee]

whoops....

[Sunsfan03]

This Oladipo/Shabazz debate is moot. Both will help this team, neither will save it. I really don't think there is a 'difference maker' in this draft.

err.. if you don't think Shabazz has potential to be a difference maker, you must advocate for Oladipo the lower risk candidate.