2013 Draft Thread Part 2

PHX Maniak · Post #1441 » by **PHX Maniak** » Sat Jun 8, 2013 1:13 am

I would embrace a 20 win year developing young talent and being in a good position in a seemingly stacked draft more than a .500 year going the way of the Hawk (or whatever team you're supposed to reference here nowadays)

JMac1 · Post #1442 » by **JMac1** » Sat Jun 8, 2013 1:22 am

PHX Maniak wrote:I would embrace a 20 win year developing young talent and being in a good position in a seemingly stacked draft more than a .500 year going the way of the Hawk (or whatever team you're supposed to reference here nowadays)

We have no choice!! Just pick some players that are going to grow into studs and will be fun to watch, the next few years. Do not sign any high salary FA's.... 2015 will be time to right the ship and field a competitive team and get everyone back on the bandwagon.

sunskerr · Post #1443 » by **sunskerr** » Sat Jun 8, 2013 1:29 am

That would be great if we could land an extra pick for Alex Len.

JMac1 · Post #1444 » by **JMac1** » Sat Jun 8, 2013 2:14 am

sunskerr wrote:That would be great if we could land an extra pick for Alex Len.

Maybe we pick Len and land an extra pick for Shabazz?

My list as of today is...

Oladipo
Len
if extra pick 10-12

Shabazz
Zeller

What combo is better going foward..
Oladipo and Zeller
Oladipo and Shabazz

or

Len and Zeller
Len and Shabazz?

nevetsov · Post #1445 » by **nevetsov** » Sat Jun 8, 2013 2:33 am

With talk that Orlando can flip Afflalo for Bledsoe, it really comes down to which backcourt they like the most:

Burke/ Afflalo

Bledsoe/ McLemore

Bledsoe/ Oladipo

I reckon a Bledsoe/ McLemore combo would be the most complete combination. Bledsoe/ Oladipo would be bullish defensively but I think it lacks offensive potency.

ORL Taking Oladipo would be good for us, because it would mean MINN would have no reason to trade with CHA. CHA takes Bennett and we get B-Mac.

YouTube · Post #1446 » by **Kerrsed** » Sat Jun 8, 2013 3:28 am

nevetsov wrote:With talk that Orlando can flip Afflalo for Bledsoe, it really comes down to which backcourt they like the most:

Burke/ Afflalo

Bledsoe/ McLemore

Bledsoe/ Oladipo

I reckon a Bledsoe/ McLemore combo would be the most complete combination. Bledsoe/ Oladipo would be bullish defensively but I think it lacks offensive potency.

ORL Taking Oladipo would be good for us, because it would mean MINN would have no reason to trade with CHA. CHA takes Bennett and we get B-Mac.

Now i agree that Orlando would be smart to make a trade for Bledsoe, as i view Bledsoe as one of the best up and coming PG's out there, but it will take alot of work to make this trade go through.

I believe that Bledsoe has more value than Afflalo. Add in that Bledsoes contract is for $1.7M and Afflalos is $7.7M, other players will have to be involved. The only players that the Clippers have that make enough cash to match up and that the Clippers might consider "trading" are Jordan ($10.5M) or Butler ($8M).

But still, i cant see the Clippers accepting a Afflalo for Bledsoe/Butler deal. They are getting the short end of the stick and Orlando would have to give up some more assets, like Harkless or Harris. Trading Butler leaves a big hole at SF for LA, and maybe they would like Harkless or Harris, but in my eyes, those guys will take a few years to develop, and they need to do whatever they can to stay in win now mode and try to keep CP3 happy.

If i was LAC, the only way i trade Bledsoe to Orlando is if i could dump as much salary as possible. Orlando has a huge trade exception from the Howard trade. I would try to ship off both Butler and Jordan to Orlando. Then LAC could approach Iggy with a vets deal, and spend the rest to sign Josh Smith. Sign a defensive C FA on the cheap, like Dalembert. Then they can exceed the cap to re-sign CP3 with a nice team built around him.

CP3/Iguodala/Smith/Griffin/Dalembert

JMac1 · Post #1447 » by **JMac1** » Sat Jun 8, 2013 4:10 am

The NBA Draft is still a few weeks away, but that does not mean teams aren't beginning to narrow in on players.

Case in point, Arizona Sports 620's John Gambadoro is reporting, based on conversations he's had, that the Phoenix Suns "love" Indiana guard Victor Oladipo and will select him if he's still on the board when they're on the clock at No. 5.

"They love Oladipo; they really like Oladipo," Gambadoro said on Burns & Gambo Friday. "So if he falls to five, there's a really good chance they're going to take him.

"That's if he falls there."

A 6-foot-5, 214-pound player, Oladipo averaged 13.6 points and 6.3 rebounds per game for the Hoosiers last season. He shot nearly 60 percent from the floor and made 44 percent of his three-point attempts. He's also an excellent defender.

However, the Suns are not the only team interested in adding Oladipo, and at number five there is a legitimate chance he will not be there for them to pick.

They know we here on RealGM love him, that is why the Suns love him

We better not get screwed this year like the last 44 years...Kareem, Lamb, Robinson, Spurs series 2007...etc.

I hope/don't think any team will trade back before us, because all of their needs will be slim pickings and DWill won't help any of the teams ahead of us!

Revived · Post #1448 » by **Revived** » Sat Jun 8, 2013 6:08 am

If a team above us wants a tweeter PF, they might as just draft Bennett instead of going with Derrick Williams whose shown that he sucks except for a few games late this season when he got the start against teams who don't even really try or care.

thamadkant · Post #1449 » by **thamadkant** » Sat Jun 8, 2013 7:57 am

Would love 3 lottery picks.
Oladipo / Mclemore
Zeller / Adams
McCollum / Shabazz

I'm envisioning Zeller to be Kevin Love / Lamarcus Aldridge combo.

Then next year get Parker!!!

sunskerr · Post #1450 » by **sunskerr** » Sat Jun 8, 2013 8:23 am

JMac1 wrote:
sunskerr wrote:That would be great if we could land an extra pick for Alex Len.

Maybe we pick Len and land an extra pick for Shabazz?

My list as of today is...

Oladipo
Len
if extra pick 10-12

Shabazz
Zeller

What combo is better going foward..
Oladipo and Zeller
Oladipo and Shabazz

or

Len and Zeller
Len and Shabazz?

An Oladipo/Zeller, Oladipo/Len or Oladipo/ Shabazz combination would be crazy to come out of the draft with. Ideally its Oladipo/Len for me but Im warming up to Cody Zeller. I think he'll be just fine in the NBA. Im not too sure about Shabazz but having Oladipo/ Shabazz is interesting because of the defensive/offensive contrast and I believe Shabazz had a good year that was limited by UCLA's system.

DirtyDez · Post #1451 » by **DirtyDez** » Sat Jun 8, 2013 9:03 am

I think the top 5 is kinda predictable. After that it gets tricky cause New Orleans is a toss up. There's no way Burke makes it past #8...

1. Cavs - Noel
2. Magic - McLemore
3. Wiz - Porter
4. Cats - Bennett
5. Suns - Oladipo
6. Pelicans - Len (twin towers?)
7. Kings - Burke
8. Pistons - Shabazz
9. Wolves - McCollum?

I'd love a Oladipo/Shabazz combo but I can't see us getting a top 8 picks without giving up #5...

Revived · Post #1452 » by **Revived** » Sat Jun 8, 2013 9:32 am

We don't need a top 8 pick to get Shabazz. We just need a top 12-14 pick. That's where the Mavs come in.

thamadkant · Post #1453 » by **thamadkant** » Sat Jun 8, 2013 10:17 am

If Mavs miss out on Howard and Paul.

Sell them..
Gortat for pick 13 and filler.

They will then resign Mayo.

Maybe even a 3 way to get them another asset.

Frank Lee · Post #1454 » by **Frank Lee** » Sat Jun 8, 2013 10:26 am

JMac1 wrote:
My list as of today is...

......

You had better start posting the 'hour' too 8-)

I see the need for a good big... and if healthy, I think Len has the most potential (Adams a very close second) ... even more than Noel. No shame in selecting him at 5 and then trying to snag an extra pick as the draft unfolds. I'd bet McDo has 2-3 guys he likes, and certainly we have the minutes to give them. But Len will not be found after 10, IMO.

The challenge here is to obtain a second player who we have targeted... hopefully, someone we like drops down into the teens and a pick is obtainable.

Ryu · Post #1455 » by **Ryu** » Sat Jun 8, 2013 10:33 am

I believe this year will be easier to obtain first round pick than usual.

Mavs want to dump pick to have space for max contract, Atlanta could be doing same, Portland`s pick apparently is on the block etc.

Frank Lee · Post #1456 » by **Frank Lee** » Sat Jun 8, 2013 10:50 am

Ryu wrote:..........
Mavs want to dump pick to have space for max contract, Atlanta could be doing same, Portland`s pick apparently is on the block etc.

And Leon's getting larger...

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzZ4i8aWs_s[/youtube]

Frank Lee · Post #1457 » by **Frank Lee** » Sat Jun 8, 2013 11:21 am

nevetsov wrote:With talk that Orlando can flip Afflalo for Bledsoe, it really comes down to which backcourt they like the most:

Burke/ Afflalo

Bledsoe/ McLemore

Bledsoe/ Oladipo

I reckon a Bledsoe/ McLemore combo would be the most complete combination. Bledsoe/ Oladipo would be bullish defensively but I think it lacks offensive potency.

ORL Taking Oladipo would be good for us, because it would mean MINN would have no reason to trade with CHA. CHA takes Bennett and we get B-Mac.

What about Bledsoe / Affalo ? May be the deal is Bledsoe straight up for #2. Who would the Clips take then ? Seems like they'd also take Dipo.

YouTube · Post #1458 » by **Kerrsed** » Sat Jun 8, 2013 12:08 pm

IDK, i just dont trust Len. I'd rather fill our C spot in other ways.

Im greedy, i want 4 1st round picks this year. We already have 2, and it shouldnt be hard to obtain another two (using Gortat to get 1).

1st pick (#5) - Oladipo or McLemore (SG)

2nd pick (#9-12) - Shabazz (SF)

3rd pick (#13-19) - Gobert or Adams or Nogueira (C)

4th pick (#30) - Franklin/Goodwin/Kabongo/Rice/Jerrett (WHATEVER)

2nd round pick (#27) - Jerrett/Thomas/Hill

I think that Grant Jerrett is going to be a real heavy sleeper in this draft. The kid was a 5 star recruit coming out of HS (top 10 player). Unfortunately for him, he picked the wrong school, and had to share time with 2 other PF's. Many say he is coming out of college too early, but UofA has 2 new high recruits coming in to play PF, so his minutes would once again be severely limited. Two things to note, he has worked out for us already, and despite his poor offense in college, he made 72% of his perimeter jumpers at the Pre-Draft Combine, and proved himself to be one of the combine's top shooters, tied with UNC's Reggie Bullock and ahead of Cal's Allen Crabbe.

nevetsov · Post #1459 » by **nevetsov** » Sat Jun 8, 2013 12:22 pm

Frank Lee wrote:What about Bledsoe / Affalo ? May be the deal is Bledsoe straight up for #2. Who would the Clips take then ? Seems like they'd also take Dipo.

Great point Frank, I didn't even think of that. Is sending the #2 for bledsoe an overpay though? Haven't seen him enough to know.

Frank Lee · Post #1460 » by **Frank Lee** » Sat Jun 8, 2013 12:51 pm

I understand your desires Kerrsed... you have always been subject to draft fever :lol:

But it is very likely that Dipo and McLem will be gone at 5.... then what ? I think thats the reality we face. Getting those other picks would be nice but other than theG, theD, and #30, we have little to offer.

I no longer see PDX as a option for theGORTAT... I sure wouldn't trade #10 for him when I could draft a solid project like Adams, keep Leonard, and sign a FA C like Mosgov. And I think we'd balk at taking on Perkins' 18 mill ticket just to snag a 'may be' youngster. That severely handcuffs us in the yr we need to spend. Dallas? I don't see them rolling the dice for fickle Howard. They need young cheap talent too. And if Marion is their main salary trim, knowudImsaying would likely cry for another destination.

Getting those extra 'early' picks is fun to project, hard to construct. I think we might be better suited looking for one of ATL's, CLE's, or Utah's spare. Perhaps, as I have mentioned, package #30 with ? to jump up into the late teens for ATL's #19.... but then that all depends on what leftover salmon is on the platter. either something like that, or trade #5 for a few slots down + ????