Trade & FA Ideas & Discussion

Puff · Post #1441 » by **Puff** » Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:16 am

I would not mind Kyrie as a replacement for Bledsoe but as most will not be unhappy if nothing happens with Kyrie.

I believe I read that Lebron wanted both Jackson and Bledsoe in any trade for Kyrie.

If that is so, he can have them next year when he becomes a free agent. I wonder if James Jones can work some magic.

Center - Who cares
PF - Lebron
SF - Josh Jackson
SG - Booker
PG - Bledsoe

Bench - incredible + any new draft picks - trades or free agent signings.

I say we keep what we have and probably sign Len for a reasonable deal and try to win as many games as possible. No "Tanking".

I doubt we have a chance at the playoffs, but if we show legit progress 30 to 35 wins, while adding another great piece in next summers draft. Maybe just maybe Lebron will make Phoenix rather than LA his final address.

I really do not think this is all that far fetched.

YouTube · Post #1442 » by **Kerrsed** » Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:26 am

bwgood77 wrote:Dejounte Murray is an interesting prospect. I can't imagine the Cavs would trade Kyrie alone for Aldridge and Bledsoe let alone adding Love. Us an San Antonio would have to send a bunch of picks, but that's not enough for San Antonio to send.

It's strange when you look at the Spurs roster to realize they won like 67 games or whatever, because they don't have any real appealing trade assets outside of Kawhi, who is obviously probably the most untouchable guy in the league.

Ok, i said i wasnt going to bother doing a 4 team since they never happen, but we know there have been talks for 4 team trades lately, so here is my shot at one, while combining a few rumors.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ya4v7kg7

Cleveland trades: Irving/Love
Cleveland gets: Bledsoe/Harris/Aldridge/Chandler/SAS 1st/SAS 2nd (A whole new starting 5 besides Lebron!)

San Antonio trades:Aldridge/Murray/2018 1st & 2nd/2020 1st
San Antonio gets: Irving (Pretty much a steal)

Denver trades:Harris/Mudiay/Faried/2018 1st
Denver gets: Love

Phoenix trades: Bledsoe/Chandler
Phoenix gets: D.Murray/Mudiay/Faried/DEN 1st

Cleveland cashes in on 2 stars and gets a great haul in return. Bledsoe/Harris/Lebron/Aldridge/Chandler is a pretty tight 5 to have. If Lebron leaves in FA, they still have a competitive team with Bledsoe/Harris/????/Aldridge/Chandler in the East.

San Antonio gets their next great starting PG in Irving, while also ridding themselves of Aldridge who wants out. They rock a core of Irving/Kawaii for the foreseeable future. Irving/Green/Kawaii/Gay/Gasol

Denver was already going after Love, and almost had him until the trade fell apart (The PG13 to CLE deal). Here they are pretty much giving up the same pieces and actually getting him. Nelson/Murray/Milsap/Love/Jokic

Phoenix turn Bledsoe and Chandler into D.Murray/Mudiay/Faried and also get a 1st.

Murray/Ulis/Mudiay
Booker/Murray/Reed
Jackson/Warren/JonesJr
Bender/Faried/Dudley
Chriss/Williams

Mulhollanddrive · Post #1443 » by **Mulhollanddrive** » Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:34 am

If Brandon Knight can't shoot, Djounte Murray shot the same % against students.

Walt_Uoob · Post #1444 » by **Walt_Uoob** » Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:43 am

AtheJ415 wrote:
Walt_Uoob wrote:That's really sad about BK.

But now I wonder: would Knight's contract now be slightly useful to an over the cap team? Like if Houston traded Anderson for Knight, they'd create some cap space due to the difference in annual salary and be able to add the $6.8m disabled player exception to their total cap space as well?

Why would we want Anderson? If we are trading Knight, we should be trading for a shorter contract, or a lesser one--not one of the same duration that is even larger.

Not saying we would want Anderson. Just thinking of a team trying to clear cap space. If this is how it works, maybe Knight's contract becomes more tradable. Mostly trying to determine if that's how it functions.

Post #1445 » by **bwgood77** » Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:43 am

Kerrsed wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:Dejounte Murray is an interesting prospect. I can't imagine the Cavs would trade Kyrie alone for Aldridge and Bledsoe let alone adding Love. Us an San Antonio would have to send a bunch of picks, but that's not enough for San Antonio to send.

It's strange when you look at the Spurs roster to realize they won like 67 games or whatever, because they don't have any real appealing trade assets outside of Kawhi, who is obviously probably the most untouchable guy in the league.

Ok, i said i wasnt going to bother doing a 4 team since they never happen, but we know there have been talks for 4 team trades lately, so here is my shot at one, while combining a few rumors.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ya4v7kg7

Cleveland trades: Irving/Love
Cleveland gets: Bledsoe/Harris/Aldridge/Chandler/SAS 1st/SAS 2nd (A whole new starting 5 besides Lebron!)

San Antonio trades:Aldridge/Murray/2018 1st & 2nd/2020 1st
San Antonio gets: Irving (Pretty much a steal)

Denver trades:Harris/Mudiay/Faried/2018 1st
Denver gets: Love

Phoenix trades: Bledsoe/Chandler
Phoenix gets: D.Murray/Mudiay/Faried/DEN 1st

Cleveland cashes in on 2 stars and gets a great haul in return. Bledsoe/Harris/Lebron/Aldridge/Chandler is a pretty tight 5 to have. If Lebron leaves in FA, they still have a competitive team with Bledsoe/Harris/????/Aldridge/Chandler in the East.

San Antonio gets their next great starting PG in Irving, while also ridding themselves of Aldridge who wants out. They rock a core of Irving/Kawaii for the foreseeable future. Irving/Green/Kawaii/Gay/Gasol

Denver was already going after Love, and almost had him until the trade fell apart (The PG13 to CLE deal). Here they are pretty much giving up the same pieces and actually getting him. Nelson/Murray/Milsap/Love/Jokic

Phoenix turn Bledsoe and Chandler into D.Murray/Mudiay/Faried and also get a 1st.

Murray/Ulis/Mudiay
Booker/Murray/Reed
Jackson/Warren/JonesJr
Bender/Faried/Dudley
Chriss/Williams

I'm not sure many teams like that trade, especially Phoenix.

However, if Denver didn't have Millsap, maybe, but they certainly won't trade Harris to get Love when they have Millsap. I think Harris went to there meeting to recruit Millsap.

Denver is fairly set outside of PG.

I don't think Cleveland goes for that either...Love is a better piece than Aldridge. So if they keep Love, they don't get Harris and they don't want Aldridge.

YouTube · Post #1446 » by **Kerrsed** » Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:48 am

Mulhollanddrive wrote:If Brandon Knight can't shoot, Djounte Murray shot the same % against students.

http://bkref.com/tiny/By5R7

Mr-Al · Post #1447 » by **Mr-Al** » Wed Jul 26, 2017 6:15 am

I want Mario Hezonja while his value is low

gaspar · Post #1448 » by **gaspar** » Wed Jul 26, 2017 6:55 am

Read on Twitter

Puff · Post #1449 » by **Puff** » Wed Jul 26, 2017 8:36 am

gaspar wrote:

Read on Twitter

This has been out their for a while. I don't think that Melo is interested in Cleveland. In order to be traded there he has to waive his no trade clause. He might just choose to stay in New York if Houston can't put together something.

If Melo isn't interested in Cleveland then Irving's either going to stay in Cleveland, which apparently Lebron does not want, or Cleveland will move him to the best offer. We have potentially the best offer, that would fit with Lebron, even without including Jackson IMO.

Say tuned, this is not over, til it's over.

gaspar · Post #1450 » by **gaspar** » Wed Jul 26, 2017 9:16 am

Mr-Al wrote:I want Mario Hezonja while his value is low

Do you expect his value to go up? Seems like he will be buried on the bench behind Fournier, Ross, Afflalo, Simmons, Gordon and Isaac next season. What would you trade for him? He's not worth a 1st round pick and I don't think Orlando would just dump him.

Saberestar · Post #1451 » by **Saberestar** » Wed Jul 26, 2017 9:22 am

I think that all of that regarding Melo and Irving is gonna end before August. In the next 5 days.

At the end of the day people involved on those trades (scouts, GMs and everyone at the offices) are people who want holidays and some rest before training camp in September.

We need to remember that next season is gonna begin around 10 days earlier.

thamadkant · Post #1452 » by **thamadkant** » Wed Jul 26, 2017 9:56 am

RunDogGun wrote:
1UPZ wrote:
Gorilla Warfare wrote:I vote we just waive Knight at this point.

That's evil.

Like sociopath evil.

Not really for Knight, he still gets paid, and when he heals, he can sign a cheap deal, and still make his money. Heck, he could play overseas and make extra cash, right?

my point was that Knight was professional by accepting the bench role, yes he sucked but he didnt complain in public and he expressed his desires behind closed doors. He had good numbers before he moved to the bench which he wasnt happy with but he took it and let his frustrations stay behind closed doors.

from his perspective, he is wasting his prime years as a player on a team that he doesnt fit in clearly.... sure he is getting paid but from a sports man, he would be hating his situation and even depressed... yes even rich people get depressed. Now with an injury... another blow to his prime years and capabilities.... for someone to suggest to waive him so that he doesnt have team mates to hang out with and spend time in the team events and locker room... thats evil...

at this time... Knight needs to be around team mates where he can cheer them and have his spirits held high enough not to be in a worse place. He's actually a good guy, smart.. just on the wrong team.

Damkac · Post #1453 » by **Damkac** » Wed Jul 26, 2017 10:16 am

DowJones wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
DowJones wrote:
Murray has much more value than the rest of those names. Maybe a 3-way where Middleton/Bledsoe/Milwaukee first go to Cleveland with Brogdon/Shumpert to Phoenix. That could work.

The trade that has been talked about the most is a Bledsoe/Melo/Knicks first to the Cavs, Irving, Shumpert and Frye to the Knicks, and Ntilikina to the Suns. Many here would be happy with that. There are some who are not high on Ntilikina and proclaim him a bust already though.

Melo to Cleveland isn't happening. Apparently the Cavs let it be known to Carmelo's people that he would be a 6th man in Cleveland and that has been why all the Melo talk is centered around Houston. Melo on Cleveland is not a good fit,

That's bad. Melo/Bled to Cavs, Kyrie to Knicks and Frank to Suns makes too much sense.
If Carmelo only wants to play for Rockets how about this (replace Kuzminskas with Frank):
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ycmqatza

NavLDO · Post #1454 » by **NavLDO** » Wed Jul 26, 2017 12:01 pm

BobbieL wrote:
So I get to Phoenix and Suns have Bledsoe, they have veterans like Dudley or Chandler, they have the Heat pick in 2018 (sorry that first round pick is no-go- well we can make it lottery protected) and can take on salary and either Chriss or Warren

I am still in the camp that believes that we do not need our picks next year--either one--if they can net us a star player.

I have a hard time believing you'd be upset if we gave up both picks next year if it meant we'd get back a 25YO Kyrie Irving back in the deal.

Bledsoe, Both 2018 Picks, plus one of Reed or DJ Jr. Not sure why that doesn't work for Cleveland. Two broken PGs (Rose/Bledsoe) ensures a quality PG on the court at all times...plus, Bledsoe brings better defense than Irving.

For us, it gives us that 'star' to build around who is young, and yes, overall, he's better than Bledsoe, but more importantly, he's 2.5 years younger

http://bkref.com/tiny/8DS6G

If they demand a young riser, and as much as I'd hate to do it...

Warren, Both 2018 Picks, plus one of Reed or DJ Jr.

...and for those who think that Wiggins is 'easily' a better player than Warren...look at the advanced stats, and the PER36 numbers--you just might be surprised...

http://bkref.com/tiny/niozz

ADV...look at PER, TS%, WS/48, DBPM, BPM, VORP
PER36...look at 2P%, TRB, STL, BLK, TOV

I am back on the Train, now, of Warren being on the NO TRADE list

Booker, Jackson, Warren

And for those who feel we can't keep both Warren and Jackson, well, I believe we can find a way in this position-less NBA to keep both, and assuming Bender starts to 'get it', we have 144 minutes a game to share across the 3-4-5, for Warren, Jackson, Chriss, Bender, and Sauce (I'm thinking 2019 and beyond, so no Dudley or Chandler). Anyway, that's 28.8 MPG for each, which I'm sure they will not be upset over, and honestly, I expect Sauce to be a backup behind someone else by then, so insert their name in, give Sauce 14MPG, and we still have 26MPG for each. Coach will work it out, I'm sure.

King4Day · Post #1455 » by **King4Day** » Wed Jul 26, 2017 12:05 pm

Damkac wrote:
DowJones wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
The trade that has been talked about the most is a Bledsoe/Melo/Knicks first to the Cavs, Irving, Shumpert and Frye to the Knicks, and Ntilikina to the Suns. Many here would be happy with that. There are some who are not high on Ntilikina and proclaim him a bust already though.

Melo to Cleveland isn't happening. Apparently the Cavs let it be known to Carmelo's people that he would be a 6th man in Cleveland and that has been why all the Melo talk is centered around Houston. Melo on Cleveland is not a good fit,

That's bad. Melo/Bled to Cavs, Kyrie to Knicks and Frank to Suns makes too much sense.
If Carmelo only wants to play for Rockets how about this (replace Kuzminskas with Frank):
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ycmqatza

If Capella was on the table you likely only need the Knicks and Rockets. They could build a deal that includes him

NavLDO · Post #1456 » by **NavLDO** » Wed Jul 26, 2017 12:17 pm

Mulhollanddrive wrote:Is Brogdan that good and can he play PG?

Exactly. All we know is that he played SG fairly well and made some assists; that doesn't mean he can play PG at a high level. That said, worst case we have a nice back-up to Booker who can also likely double as a back-up PG, which would still get him starter minutes, or close to it.

BobbieL · Post #1457 » by **BobbieL** » Wed Jul 26, 2017 1:13 pm

NavLDO wrote:
BobbieL wrote:
So I get to Phoenix and Suns have Bledsoe, they have veterans like Dudley or Chandler, they have the Heat pick in 2018 (sorry that first round pick is no-go- well we can make it lottery protected) and can take on salary and either Chriss or Warren

I am still in the camp that believes that we do not need our picks next year--either one--if they can net us a star player.

I have a hard time believing you'd be upset if we gave up both picks next year if it meant we'd get back a 25YO Kyrie Irving back in the deal.

Bledsoe, Both 2018 Picks, plus one of Reed or DJ Jr. Not sure why that doesn't work for Cleveland. Two broken PGs (Rose/Bledsoe) ensures a quality PG on the court at all times...plus, Bledsoe brings better defense than Irving.

For us, it gives us that 'star' to build around who is young, and yes, overall, he's better than Bledsoe, but more importantly, he's 2.5 years younger

http://bkref.com/tiny/8DS6G

If they demand a young riser, and as much as I'd hate to do it...

Warren, Both 2018 Picks, plus one of Reed or DJ Jr.

...and for those who think that Wiggins is 'easily' a better player than Warren...look at the advanced stats, and the PER36 numbers--you just might be surprised...

http://bkref.com/tiny/niozz

ADV...look at PER, TS%, WS/48, DBPM, BPM, VORP
PER36...look at 2P%, TRB, STL, BLK, TOV

I am back on the Train, now, of Warren being on the NO TRADE list

Booker, Jackson, Warren

And for those who feel we can't keep both Warren and Jackson, well, I believe we can find a way in this position-less NBA to keep both, and assuming Bender starts to 'get it', we have 144 minutes a game to share across the 3-4-5, for Warren, Jackson, Chriss, Bender, and Sauce (I'm thinking 2019 and beyond, so no Dudley or Chandler). Anyway, that's 28.8 MPG for each, which I'm sure they will not be upset over, and honestly, I expect Sauce to be a backup behind someone else by then, so insert their name in, give Sauce 14MPG, and we still have 26MPG for each. Coach will work it out, I'm sure.

I was the one advocating the take the Heat pick and attach it to Knight - so I am not all about draft picks. The Suns have six picks in the next four years - do they need all six, probably not. Do they need at least 3 if not 4, yes.

I am okay trading the Heat pick; but not the Suns pick in 2018 unless lottery protected and even that - not trading both, just one at most if both are out of the lottery.

I agree about keeping Warren ahead of Chriss. Bender, Book, Warren, Jackson - pretty solid to me.

BobbieL · Post #1458 » by **BobbieL** » Wed Jul 26, 2017 1:21 pm

Kerrsed wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:Dejounte Murray is an interesting prospect. I can't imagine the Cavs would trade Kyrie alone for Aldridge and Bledsoe let alone adding Love. Us an San Antonio would have to send a bunch of picks, but that's not enough for San Antonio to send.

It's strange when you look at the Spurs roster to realize they won like 67 games or whatever, because they don't have any real appealing trade assets outside of Kawhi, who is obviously probably the most untouchable guy in the league.

Ok, i said i wasnt going to bother doing a 4 team since they never happen, but we know there have been talks for 4 team trades lately, so here is my shot at one, while combining a few rumors.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ya4v7kg7

Cleveland trades: Irving/Love
Cleveland gets: Bledsoe/Harris/Aldridge/Chandler/SAS 1st/SAS 2nd (A whole new starting 5 besides Lebron!)

San Antonio trades:Aldridge/Murray/2018 1st & 2nd/2020 1st
San Antonio gets: Irving (Pretty much a steal)

Denver trades:Harris/Mudiay/Faried/2018 1st
Denver gets: Love

Phoenix trades: Bledsoe/Chandler
Phoenix gets: D.Murray/Mudiay/Faried/DEN 1st

Cleveland cashes in on 2 stars and gets a great haul in return. Bledsoe/Harris/Lebron/Aldridge/Chandler is a pretty tight 5 to have. If Lebron leaves in FA, they still have a competitive team with Bledsoe/Harris/????/Aldridge/Chandler in the East.

San Antonio gets their next great starting PG in Irving, while also ridding themselves of Aldridge who wants out. They rock a core of Irving/Kawaii for the foreseeable future. Irving/Green/Kawaii/Gay/Gasol

Denver was already going after Love, and almost had him until the trade fell apart (The PG13 to CLE deal). Here they are pretty much giving up the same pieces and actually getting him. Nelson/Murray/Milsap/Love/Jokic

Phoenix turn Bledsoe and Chandler into D.Murray/Mudiay/Faried and also get a 1st.

Murray/Ulis/Mudiay
Booker/Murray/Reed
Jackson/Warren/JonesJr
Bender/Faried/Dudley
Chriss/Williams

That's a pretty good deal but what about this one leaving Denver out :

It will be a tough fit at this point for the Cavs to trade Irving and get what they perceive as full value - meaning the veteran player, the young player, the draft pick.

My new trade and this does involve the San Antonio Spurs - there you go . I wanted the Murray from Denver but that's probably not happening so lets do the Murray from the Spurs with Kyrie going there

Cleveland: Bledsoe, Dudley, Danny Green (of the bench scorer) Kyle Anderson from the Spurs, Bryn Forbes from the Spurs and maybe a pick from the Suns and from the Heat. So young players, draft pick and veterans for one more year

San Antonio: Kyrie. Tyson Chandler and Iman Shumpert. They almost traded Chandler for Simmons. To trade Green, need Shumpert

Suns: Aldridge, Frye Jefferson and Murray. Frye and Jefferson are expiring, Aldridge expires next year, Suns get PG of future - keeping the expiring contracts in 2019 and a young point guard. Also keeping Chriss, and Warren

Gorilla Warfare · Post #1459 » by **Gorilla Warfare** » Wed Jul 26, 2017 1:22 pm

1UPZ wrote:
RunDogGun wrote:
1UPZ wrote:

That's evil.

Like sociopath evil.

Not really for Knight, he still gets paid, and when he heals, he can sign a cheap deal, and still make his money. Heck, he could play overseas and make extra cash, right?

my point was that Knight was professional by accepting the bench role, yes he sucks.

Fixed.

rcc8884 · Post #1460 » by **rcc8884** » Wed Jul 26, 2017 1:49 pm

I was thinking of this last night about how to get Irving without giving up Jackson who the front office said we wouldn't or tj warren as he is vastly underrated. I have no clue how this looks and would want feedback.

PHX trades: Bledsoe, Dudley, Len (sign and trade), Miami 1st, PHX 2021 1st
CLE trades: Irving, Shumphert or Frye