Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 3

[Mulhollanddrive]

Not keen on needing the Max to keep Jordan.

[lilfishi22]

Like I said, Beverly is trash.
Read something on FB that said Clippers have put DJ on the trade block and have talked to the Phoenix Suns.

Why?

[NavLDO]

Monroe has played in the last three games and in those games we have made 28, 28 and 32 assists. Obviously he is not the only reason for that improvement, but he is part of it IMO.

He knows how to finish in the paint without being a great athlete and he understands the game so easily...it is refreshing to watch. He is a very good rebounder too, so I would prefer to use him as our starting C over Chandler.

With Williams out for the season there is no need to trade Monroe. We need him, because one of the Cs is gonna be always injured or tired and we don't need to clear cap space at all. Play the guy all season long please.

I'm fine with that as well. I honestly see no reason not to try Monroe within our system; he's not that old, and there are much worse Centers out there making as much or more money than he does.

http://bkref.com/tiny/yLVrY

This is a comparison between Monroe last year, since he's been out quite a bit this year, compared to Noah from 3 seasons ago, Mahinmi 2 seasons ago, and Biyombo last season, so they would also be competitive; had I not, Monroe would've wiped the floor with them...them, who? you ask? Kanter, Noah, Mahinmi, Biyombo, and Howard -- all guys making close to Monroe this season (Mahinmi/Noah), or more (Howard/Kanter)

Monroe, albeit not starting a single game last season, when comparing per36 (they all played at least 22 mpg), Led in PFs and Stls; was 2nd in Scoring, PER, WS, OBPM, Assts, and FT%; and was 3rd in TS%, VORP, and WS/48. And again, this was against some of these players 'better' recent seasons.

We likely may not lose enough to get Ayton or Bamba, and may have to 'settle' for a Brandon McCoy, Chimezie Metu, Mitchell Robinson, or Wendell Carter, and if that 'player' needs a few years to develop, wouldn't it be nice to have Monroe on the team vs Chandler? Monroe is not likely to generate a ton of interest in FA, so we should be able to sign him for $15-$17M per fora few years, right?

Anyway, Saber, you are spot on. The other option is to trade him now for peanuts, and hope we lose enough and the lotto balls are kind...yeah, right...or McD somehow is able to pkg our pick and the Mia pick to move far enough up for Bamba or Ayton, but that's a lot of 'hoping'.

[King4Day]

I'd still take on Beverly. Maybe we can get him for real cheap now?

[Mulhollanddrive]

Let's see how Monroe keeps performing to see both his pros and cons because no team has seen him as a long term starter for many years now.

[asudevil]

I'd still take on Beverly. Maybe we can get him for real cheap now?

Why? The dude is 31 and just had micro-fracture. Let's say he comes back next year. He's going to be nowhere near the defender he was for at least another year if ever. And then once he is healthy he'll be 33 in the last year of his deal.

I would certainly traded for Beverly even a week ago....but after this serious surgery it's unlikely he'll be the player he was.

[NYG]

Lance Thomas and 2018 Bulls 2nd for Jared Dudley?

[bwgood77]

Lance Thomas and 2018 Bulls 2nd for Jared Dudley?

No we like Dudley.

[Qwigglez]

Like I said, Beverly is trash.
Read something on FB that said Clippers have put DJ on the trade block and have talked to the Phoenix Suns.

Why?

I don't understand why we would need him is all. First off, he doesn't fit the timeline that the front office is preaching. He's likely to leave us once he hits free agency. And he doesn't change anything for us. We could have kept PJ Tucker if we needed defensive intensity for the team. Might as well just let Ulis get the playing time or Mike James. Also he's injured now.

[AtheJ415]

I understand that Deandre is a defensive stud, but I am not for trading any pick for a 1 way player (I get his FG% is high due to dunks, but he lives off of others setting him up, can barely dribble, and can be hack-a-ed out of games) who is older than the rest of the group and an impending FA who will command a potential super max. All of this particularly when we are likely to get a big man in this draft. And we can also sign somebody like Capela to a minimax if needed (if Houston wants to keep Paul then maybe they don't match).

[Mulhollanddrive]

We're in a very tricky situation with finding a star PG or C:

Roster - None
Draft - Seems to require winning the lottery with a top 3 pick
FA - Unlikely given lack of selling points
Trade - Relies on a series of external circumstances

[lilfishi22]

Like I said, Beverly is trash.
Read something on FB that said Clippers have put DJ on the trade block and have talked to the Phoenix Suns.

Why?

I don't understand why we would need him is all. First off, he doesn't fit the timeline that the front office is preaching. He's likely to leave us once he hits free agency. And he doesn't change anything for us. We could have kept PJ Tucker if we needed defensive intensity for the team. Might as well just let Ulis get the playing time or Mike James. Also he's injured now.

I just don't think not fitting our timeline means we shouldn't have that player on our team. When you purge your team of veterans or savvy players, you end up with a bunch of inexperienced kids that won't win games. A coach can only do so much in preparing those kids but having a player who's been there and done that, and actually being on the court with these young players is a huge benefit. Unlike Chandler or Dudley, Bev is still in his career and athletic prime.

I was 100% for keeping Tucker, for the record. I thought his defense and teaching defense to our young guys would be extremely beneficial. I just really don't believe in purging rosters of 'old' players just because they don't fit the timeline.

So when it comes to Beverely, he's the type of savvy veteran, who does a number of things very well. He plays elite defense, his usage is super low, he hits the 3 at a great clip (40% in 2 of the last 3 seasons), he rebounds at an above average rate for a guard and he moves the ball well. The guy is a very very savvy player. He gets under player's skin and takes focus away from Booker defensively. Those are exactly the type of player that would elevate Booker's game. His deal is also non-guaranteed next season.

Bit of a moot point now that he's out for the season but I'd still look to make a trade for him if it wouldn't cost us too much.

[Saberestar]

Like I said, Beverly is trash.
Read something on FB that said Clippers have put DJ on the trade block and have talked to the Phoenix Suns.

Why?

I don't understand why we would need him is all. First off, he doesn't fit the timeline that the front office is preaching. He's likely to leave us once he hits free agency. And he doesn't change anything for us. We could have kept PJ Tucker if we needed defensive intensity for the team. Might as well just let Ulis get the playing time or Mike James. Also he's injured now.

And Mike James fits our timelime?

I think that we need a better PG.We could have won the game against the Bucks with a better PG, we had 29 TOs.

Beverley is out for the season, so he is not an option anymore, but we have to find someone.

Mike James is a nice third string or insurance...he is playing too many minutes IMO.

[Qwigglez]

Why?

I don't understand why we would need him is all. First off, he doesn't fit the timeline that the front office is preaching. He's likely to leave us once he hits free agency. And he doesn't change anything for us. We could have kept PJ Tucker if we needed defensive intensity for the team. Might as well just let Ulis get the playing time or Mike James. Also he's injured now.

I just don't think not fitting our timeline means we shouldn't have that player on our team. When you purge your team of veterans or savvy players, you end up with a bunch of inexperienced kids that won't win games. A coach can only do so much in preparing those kids but having a player who's been there and done that, and actually being on the court with these young players is a huge benefit. Unlike Chandler or Dudley, Bev is still in his career and athletic prime.

I was 100% for keeping Tucker, for the record. I thought his defense and teaching defense to our young guys would be extremely beneficial. I just really don't believe in purging rosters of 'old' players just because they don't fit the timeline.

So when it comes to Beverely, he's the type of savvy veteran, who does a number of things very well. He plays elite defense, his usage is super low, he hits the 3 at a great clip (40% in 2 of the last 3 seasons), he rebounds at an above average rate for a guard and he moves the ball well. The guy is a very very savvy player. He gets under player's skin and takes focus away from Booker defensively. Those are exactly the type of player that would elevate Booker's game. His deal is also non-guaranteed next season.

Bit of a moot point now that he's out for the season but I'd still look to make a trade for him if it wouldn't cost us too much.

I just didn't think he would want to come here anyhow. He was complaining already for the recent string of games the Clippers lost, I can't imagine he'd welcome a trade to our team. I'd rather just stand pat and see where we land in the draft. If we aren't able to get Doncic, Ayton, or Bamba then maybe look to trade the pick. Though I may take Porter if he checks out during the physical.

[carey]

I'd still take on Beverly. Maybe we can get him for real cheap now?

Why? The dude is 31 and just had micro-fracture. Let's say he comes back next year. He's going to be nowhere near the defender he was for at least another year if ever. And then once he is healthy he'll be 33 in the last year of his deal.

I would certainly traded for Beverly even a week ago....but after this serious surgery it's unlikely he'll be the player he was.

He's 29, but the rest of your point stands. He'll be a FA before he's fully recovered. Not only did he have microfracture but he tore his meniscus as well.

[RaisingArizona]

Two things need to happen around Dec 15.

Trade for a PG: Mudiay, Payton, Murray, Hill. Idc. Somebody capable of leading this team.

Commit to the Moose. Trade Len and run offense through him with new PG from time to time.

If McD does opposite of either thing above, I will

[Mulhollanddrive]

Our PG stats really are bad:

James 37% FG
Ulis 35% FG

[darealjuice]

Two things need to happen around Dec 15.

Trade for a PG: Mudiay, Payton, Murray, Hill. Idc. Somebody capable of leading this team.

Commit to the Moose. Trade Len and run offense through him with new PG from time to time.

If McD does opposite of either thing above, I will

I could potential see the PG thing happening, but I also wouldn't be surprised if we rode out this year and took care of it in the offseason once our coach is figured out. It's a bit tough with there not being a ton of good young PGs in the league right now, and I doubt any team is itching to trade them either.

Committing to Moose likely ain't happening though. All the reports since he's been here have said that he is looking for a trade/buy-out and he won't stay here past this year. Could be some smoke, things could change, but I think he wants to be on a playoff team. Len probably doesn't get trade either unless he's a throw-in for a PG trade. Teams don't have a reason to give up an asset for a guy that doesn't make a big immediate impact and won't have a big FA market in the Summer.

[BobbieL]

Two things need to happen around Dec 15.

Trade for a PG: Mudiay, Payton, Murray, Hill. Idc. Somebody capable of leading this team.

Commit to the Moose. Trade Len and run offense through him with new PG from time to time.

If McD does opposite of either thing above, I will

I don't disagree but the Mike James things around December means a move needs to happen before that. Maybe Troy Daniels is waived - granted, he is owed money next year too so that one gets tricky. Can Derrick Jones be waived - would that get the team to the minimum or is he on a special contract that doesn't count like James<

But I agree, when other players can be moved - that is the time for something to happen at the PG position. I actually like that proposed trade - or suggested of Knight/Monroe for Koufos/Hill but that means Sac town is getting a guy they know won't play this year to save dollars over three years (though Knight will cost them 6m more in 2019/2020 than Koufos will.

I just know this team needs a point guard is a big time way.

I would like the team to commit to the Moose but since I don't think that's happening - I see him traded.

Len barely played last night

Chriss barely played

I can see Chriss being moved.

[bwgood77]

We're in a very tricky situation with finding a star PG or C:

Roster - None
Draft - Seems to require winning the lottery with a top 3 pick
FA - Unlikely given lack of selling points
Trade - Relies on a series of external circumstances

There should be quite a few C options in the draft, no matter where we land. Of course Ayton and Bamba if in top 4, and then after that you have Robert Williams and then Jaren Jackson (who is over a year younger than Ayton/Bamba and almost 2 years younger than Williams.) and Wendell Carter are both playing well and blocking a lot of shots. And then there is Bagley who could maybe play some C. Ayton and Bamba have the best size and are more true Cs, so they are ideal, but these other guys could be good and give rim protection. Jaren Jackson looks like he could switch well and Carter seems like a smart player.

I'm glad guys like Jackson and Carter have emerged and look good, and hope they continue to look good and can play C. Here is ESPN's top 10


Player Pos Team Age Height Wingspan
1. Luka Doncic SG Real Madrid 18.6 6-8 N/A
2. Michael Porter Jr. SF/PF Missouri 19.3 6-10 7-0
3. Marvin Bagley III PF/C Duke 18.6 6-11 7-0½
4. Deandre Ayton C Arizona 19.2 7-0 7-5
5. Mohamed Bamba C Texas 19.4 7-0 7-9
6. Miles Bridges SF/PF Michigan St 19.6 6-6 6-9
7. Robert Williams C Texas A&M 20.0 6-9 7-5½
8. Collin Sexton PG Alabama 18.8 6-2 6-7
9. Jaren Jackson Jr. C Michigan St 18.1 6-10 7-4
10. Wendell Carter Jr. C Duke 18.5 6-10 7-3