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[RaisingArizona]

If we seriously don't make an offer for DLO then Booker is going to be severely pissed off.

[bwoolf2]

I’m starting to think that there’s nothing leaking from the suns front office because they actually don’t know what to do. Every good player that has been rumored to us James Jones says not interested. Lol. Some times it’s better to play along with the rumors then make yourself look like a fool.

Bingo. I have ZERO confidence in James Jones. If he isn’t setting his sights on stars than what’s his purpose. James Jones that is suppose to have “the pulse” of the players. This team doesn’t need 2nd tier starters, this team needs talent (desperately needs to add star talent or something very close to star talent). I may be alone on this but I’m confident James Jones is going to do nothing more than mind boggling Ryan McDonough Type small moves that in the end doesn’t change the course of this team. TJ Warren will be traded for scraps and at the end of the day the Suns will just end up with Coby white and get ready for deja vu, 2018 repeats itself.

You guys crack me up, you have no actual knowledge of what is going, have no history from Jones to base any assessment off and yet have Zero confidence, lol... In two years you can give the no confidence vote all you want but until then its just ridiculous.

[alamin330]

When you’re involved in trade discussions there are other teams involved. The leaks could come from other teams. The fact that there’s little to no information about suns players on the block probably means James Jones isn’t trying to trade them. I think tj will probably be moved on draft day. Tyler will opt out. I think JJ Gets another chance. I think we sign veteran scrubs like Collison or Aminu and keep the 6th pick and lose 55 games next year.

[bwgood77]

I’m starting to think that there’s nothing leaking from the suns front office because they actually don’t know what to do. Every good player that has been rumored to us James Jones says not interested. Lol. Some times it’s better to play along with the rumors then make yourself look like a fool.

Bingo. I have ZERO confidence in James Jones. If he isn’t setting his sights on stars than what’s his purpose. James Jones that is suppose to have “the pulse” of the players. This team doesn’t need 2nd tier starters, this team needs talent (desperately needs to add star talent or something very close to star talent). I may be alone on this but I’m confident James Jones is going to do nothing more than mind boggling Ryan McDonough Type small moves that in the end doesn’t change the course of this team. TJ Warren will be traded for scraps and at the end of the day the Suns will just end up with Coby white and get ready for deja vu, 2018 repeats itself.

I have some confidence in jones. I think he’s a really smart guy and much better for gm than McDonough. I just think he’s sitting on his thumbs saying he doesn’t want to make a trade for the sake of making a trade not realizing that’s the only way to improve this team right now. This team is too redundant in every aspect. Too many wings. Too many young guys. Too many scrubs. He needs to make a trade for the sake of making a trade unless he has a guarantee from a top level free agent player that he will come to Suns and that’s why he won’t make any moves.

There is no rush. The offseason is months. We don't even have Tyler's contract available to trade yet which could open up more possibiilities. Most teams will keep their plans close to the vest at least until after the draft because moves they might talk about could tip off who they might be drafting.

We should at least wait until we get into early July to assess where things are.

[NapoleonII]

It's just as bad to not see Mcdumber's incompetence for years than to already be sharpening the pitchforks for Jones when he's been on the job less than a year and has made zero bad decisions.

[bwgood77]

If we seriously don't make an offer for DLO then Booker is going to be severely pissed off.

Why don't we wait and see if he even becomes a free agent, or stays restricted....or even agrees with Brooklyn. A lot of things still have to play out. We can't even make him an offer for at a week and a half, and he could sign one until more than two weeks.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Might be a good idea to actually wait until the draft and offseason before making any judgements.

Personally I feel Jones has the right temperment for the job and seems good at the parts of the GM job outside of player aquisition but at the end of the day player aquisition is the most important aspect of being a GM.


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[alamin330]

Bingo. I have ZERO confidence in James Jones. If he isn’t setting his sights on stars than what’s his purpose. James Jones that is suppose to have “the pulse” of the players. This team doesn’t need 2nd tier starters, this team needs talent (desperately needs to add star talent or something very close to star talent). I may be alone on this but I’m confident James Jones is going to do nothing more than mind boggling Ryan McDonough Type small moves that in the end doesn’t change the course of this team. TJ Warren will be traded for scraps and at the end of the day the Suns will just end up with Coby white and get ready for deja vu, 2018 repeats itself.

I have some confidence in jones. I think he’s a really smart guy and much better for gm than McDonough. I just think he’s sitting on his thumbs saying he doesn’t want to make a trade for the sake of making a trade not realizing that’s the only way to improve this team right now. This team is too redundant in every aspect. Too many wings. Too many young guys. Too many scrubs. He needs to make a trade for the sake of making a trade unless he has a guarantee from a top level free agent player that he will come to Suns and that’s why he won’t make any moves.

There is no rush. The offseason is months. We don't even have Tyler's contract available to trade yet which could open up more possibiilities. Most teams will keep their plans close to the vest at least until after the draft because moves they might talk about could tip off who they might be drafting.

We should at least wait until we get into early July to assess where things are.

This is true. I also think Tyler not opting in already probably means he’s opting out. Meanwhile while we sit and wait for July the top 8 teams in the west and the lakers, except for warriors, are getting better and making it harder to jump in and compete for the 8th seed.

[Ghost of Kleine]

I almost posted one similar to that last night. In one of those mocks some of the twitter guys were doing, TJ and 32 were traded for 21, Roberson and PPat. I decided not to post because it didn't make sense. We would want to clear space. PPat's %s were awful, Roberson is an awesome defender but we don't need with Bridges and Oubre and he can't shoot. Plus Roberson makes as much as TJ.

Roberson has more overall impact but we can't afford to have a non shooter on the floor. Plus he's been injured for over a year.

I think someone mentioned his contract being shorter and the cap hit for streching and waiving him would only be around 1.3 million or something over three years. But I'm not sure. I'd have to check though......

Also I would totally target Cam Johnson or Ty Jerome at 21 ( before Memphis takes one of them) I believe that Cam Johnson shot around an incredible 46%on his threes during his last two seasons at North Carolina. He'd also have a familiarity with White if we took him. But overall at 6'9 and being a sharpshooter would be very intriguing for us.

Ty Jerome would give us a 6'5 combo guard with what most nba draft pundits have the highest Basketball i.q in the entire draft. Is a great passer, plays tenacious defense, has a championship pedigree, and is close to a career 40% shooter too( 39.9%). So I'd be content with either honestly.

I prefer we go after good NBA players over decent late first round prospects in a bad class. We are looking to get closer to the NBA level instead of more towards the college level of play. Roberson makes as much as TJ...or very close to it this year. He could be stretched at about $3.5 million a year for 3 years but that doesn't make very much since to trade TJ to just salary dump $7 million and have that dead cap hit for another couple years.

I agree, But isn't adding dead cap space what we do here? It's certainly going to be a wild next two days, with reports being all over the map. It's entertaining, but I kind of just wish the draft would get here so we can start to have a better grasp of the front offices overall plan.

Although I will say that again, I wouldn't be at all upset with potentially adding one of those two prospects, As they both 40% or better. And we absolutely do need more perimeter players on this team.

Another idea that I liked that was mentioned was Nash's idea about :

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?s=09 . Again, If we could pull it off. That'd be an option to really consider. And was an idea that BobbieL also mentioned a ways back too.

[WeekapaugGroove]

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[Sunsdeuce]

Jody gets it!

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[realsunsfan]

I have hope that James Jones is the one that will finally get in here and not be afraid to make the moves necessary to dramatically improve this team now, not in the future. If he sits on his hands and says to be patient and watch the youngsters develop then I will begin to think he is just like many others that are/were more concerned with stretching out how long he can hold on to this job rather than actually take chances and improve the team

[bwgood77]

I have some confidence in jones. I think he’s a really smart guy and much better for gm than McDonough. I just think he’s sitting on his thumbs saying he doesn’t want to make a trade for the sake of making a trade not realizing that’s the only way to improve this team right now. This team is too redundant in every aspect. Too many wings. Too many young guys. Too many scrubs. He needs to make a trade for the sake of making a trade unless he has a guarantee from a top level free agent player that he will come to Suns and that’s why he won’t make any moves.

There is no rush. The offseason is months. We don't even have Tyler's contract available to trade yet which could open up more possibiilities. Most teams will keep their plans close to the vest at least until after the draft because moves they might talk about could tip off who they might be drafting.

We should at least wait until we get into early July to assess where things are.

This is true. I also think Tyler not opting in already probably means he’s opting out. Meanwhile while we sit and wait for July the top 8 teams in the west and the lakers, except for warriors, are getting better and making it harder to jump in and compete for the 8th seed.

Who got better? Utah and LA? I don't think we had a chance at AD and many didn't want Conley (and I don't think he wanted to be in Phx) so not a big deal.

I don't expect to do too much though. We already are using most of our cap space on Tyler Johnson and Kelly Oubre as our big additions.

[alamin330]

I honestly think the plan is to resign oubre, trade tj for space to sign a Collison or Joseph and another career backup pf to 1 year deals. Draft white, garland or culver have them play behind Collison or joesph for a year. Then be players in 2020 free agency. This upcoming year is going to be a repeat of last year.

[realsunsfan]

There is no rush. The offseason is months. We don't even have Tyler's contract available to trade yet which could open up more possibiilities. Most teams will keep their plans close to the vest at least until after the draft because moves they might talk about could tip off who they might be drafting.

We should at least wait until we get into early July to assess where things are.

This is true. I also think Tyler not opting in already probably means he’s opting out. Meanwhile while we sit and wait for July the top 8 teams in the west and the lakers, except for warriors, are getting better and making it harder to jump in and compete for the 8th seed.

Who got better? Utah and LA? I don't think we had a chance at AD and many didn't want Conley (and I don't think he wanted to be in Phx) so not a big deal.

I don't expect to do too much though. We already are using most of our cap space on Tyler Johnson and Kelly Oubre as our big additions.

They aren't additions, they are holdovers from one of the worst teams in the league last year, and yes LA & Utah did get better and it is a big deal because we are falling further and further behind....

[bwgood77]

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[jsierra1985]

Its a shame that we are at a point that we hope to just see competitive basketball. Its been 9 seasons since we last made the playoffs. That means basically we had all this time to rebuild and get it together and its 2019 and this team has us fans just hoping for competitive basketball. This team is a joke. If the front office cant pull something out of there a$$ and make a deal for a big time player we will hoping for the top pick in the nba again. I dont want anymore rookies on this team. This whole thing about having assets and picks are great is total bs for a team like the suns that do not even know how to win. The suns need to trade this 6th pick for an impact player asap. IF dlo becomes available they need to do whatever to have him signed and ready to ball for PHX. Enough with this draft talk and depending on the suns to hit jackpot in the draft...we suck at drafting....

[bwgood77]

This is true. I also think Tyler not opting in already probably means he’s opting out. Meanwhile while we sit and wait for July the top 8 teams in the west and the lakers, except for warriors, are getting better and making it harder to jump in and compete for the 8th seed.

Who got better? Utah and LA? I don't think we had a chance at AD and many didn't want Conley (and I don't think he wanted to be in Phx) so not a big deal.

I don't expect to do too much though. We already are using most of our cap space on Tyler Johnson and Kelly Oubre as our big additions.

They aren't additions, they are holdovers from one of the worst teams in the league last year, and yes LA & Utah did get better and it is a big deal because we are falling further and further behind....

I'm just saying we would have had max cap space because we had the Ariza one year deal and were almost certain to waive/stretch Anderson. Ariza would have opened up $15 million and Anderson another $16 or so in addition to the $10 we have. So we would be at around $40 million.

But we traded them for Johnson who had a year and we likely don't stretch and Oubre, so it wiped out what we thought would be our max cap space this year.

Now we might recreate it by dumping players but who knows?

We are so far behind those other teams because in our 5 year rebuild or whatever we only got like 3 pieces, two of which were rookies last year and will be 2nd year players. These guys are probably quite a ways away from competing from playoffs in the west even if we add a guy like DLo.

[alamin330]

Or the plan is to wait for lil TJ to opt out then use that money to sign stop gap pg and pf to 1 year deals draft a pg keep big tj and JJ unless a good deal presents itself and resign Tyler to a long term deal. Then next year go after a top free agent. I think James Jones is banking on the hope that Monty will make this current roster along with the addition of solid vets competitive enough next year to catch the attention of upcoming free agents all while letting book and ayton be the centerpieces of the team and also getting another lottery pick next year. If that’s the case cool I’m cool with that just let us know and I’d want culver in that situation over anyone else

[bwgood77]

Its a shame that we are at a point that we hope to just see competitive basketball. Its been 9 seasons since we last made the playoffs. That means basically we had all this time to rebuild and get it together and its 2019 and this team has us fans just hoping for competitive basketball. This team is a joke. If the front office cant pull something out of there a$$ and make a deal for a big time player we will hoping for the top pick in the nba again. I dont want anymore rookies on this team. This whole thing about having assets and picks are great is total bs for a team like the suns that do not even know how to win. The suns need to trade this 6th pick for an impact player asap. IF dlo becomes available they need to do whatever to have him signed and ready to ball for PHX. Enough with this draft talk and depending on the suns to hit jackpot in the draft...we suck at drafting....

I agree. It blows. Two of our worst years in history gave us Bender/Chriss/Ulis and Jackson...and we gave away Bogdan that first year too.

That basically made last year almost like a year 1 of a rebuild..+ Booker.

I think there is a chance if everything goes right we have a year somewhat like the Kings had, but they had elite shooting...and ours has been bad. It's just hard to increase the worst D, worst 3 pt shooting (especially if you are getting rid of your best shooter from last year) and efficiency with one or two player additions.

The biggest thing that will turn this team around is tremendous improvement from Booker, Ayton, Bridges and Oubre. Those are the key pieces. So it's largely up to them and Monty giving them the proper guidance and development...but they have to work and want it too.