2020 NBA Draft Prospect Watch - Revised Poll

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I have been watching some old vids from Herro and he played always super hard and with determination.

He played like a mad man hating his rival and want to destroy them most of the time...that is what we need to find in this draft, someone that is talented and plays that way.

Herro and Booker are pretty similar, the Heat scouts are great.

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09/23/2020 NBA Draft 2020

NBA Draft 2020: NBA announces innovative format for Draft Combine 2020

The annual pre-draft scouting event to be held virtually and in team markets, taking place in phases beginning Sept. 28 and continuing through early to mid-November.


NEW YORK, Sept. 23, 2020 - The NBA announced today that NBA Draft Combine 2020 has been reformatted to be conducted both in NBA team markets and virtually, taking place in phases beginning Sept. 28 and continuing through early to mid-November. The reimagined Combine will continue to provide NBA teams with player evaluation opportunities during the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic.

"NBA Draft Combine is an essential part of the pre-draft evaluation process," said Byron Spruell, President, NBA League Operations. "While the circumstances surrounding this Combine are unique, we're excited to creatively deliver a valuable experience for our teams, who have remained flexible through the process, and for prospective draftees who are just beginning their NBA journeys."


NBA Draft Combine 2020 will give players the opportunity to participate in league and team interviews, both conducted via videoconference from Sept. 28 through Oct. 16. Players will also take part in an individual on-court program consisting of strength and agility testing, anthropometric measurements, shooting drills and a "Pro Day" video, all conducted in October at the NBA team facility nearest to a player's home or interim residence. Medical testing and examinations will be performed by NBA-affiliated physicians in the same market.

As part of the event's innovative format, the NBA will incorporate HomeCourt, a mobile basketball training application that uses advanced machine learning and computer vision, to provide analytics and record the shooting evaluation portion of NBA Combine 2020 and for players to create a unique "Pro Day" video. The video, used to showcase a player's skills, may feature only the individual player (and either a coach or trainer) and can be up to 45 minutes long. HomeCourt is developed by NEX Team, Inc., an NBA strategic partner.

Additionally, the NBA has expanded its use of "Combine HQ," an online tool developed by Fusion Sport in its software platform Smartabase. An interactive online platform, Combine HQ provides NBA teams with a one-stop shop for scouting information gathered during the on-court portions of this year's Combine. Using Combine HQ, NBA teams and scouts will be able to compare participating players to their peers, past Combine participants and current NBA players, and view detailed shot charts and statistics.

NBA Draft 2020 presented by State Farm is scheduled to take place on Wednesday, Nov. 18. The date remains subject to change as circumstances warrant.

[Saberestar]

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Tyrese Maxey looking better as a prospect with that in mind.

He just averaged 14 points and 3.2 assists, but he plays with a lot of intensity on both ends and he wants to be great. I think that on another college he would have averaged around 20 points and 7 assists per game on solid percentages, but on Kentucky there were too many good options on offense.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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Speaking of Tyreese Maxey.

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Speaking of Tyreese Maxey.

I think he would be a nice pick at #10 for us. Probably my favourite option ATM. He can play on and off the ball, and he has some Jamal Murray/Kyrie Irving in him.

He plays bigger than his size and always plays with high intensity on both ends. He can play both backcourt positions at 6'3 and with a 6'6 wingspan, not superathletic but good athlete. Very good handles.

He has terrific touch, for what I have seen I think he is gonna be a very good three-level scorer in the league and really dangerous in transition.

He did not have a good 3p percentage at Kentucky, but he shot over 83% from FTs and he has that nice touch, so I expect him to be good from three in the pros.

He is with Rich Paul and he is only 19 years old...we will see if these couple of things make him not an option for us at #10.

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This could put Terry in play at 10. Size was his biggest concern. Outstanding shooter.

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Speaking of Tyreese Maxey.

I think he would be a nice pick at #10 for us. Probably my favourite option ATM. He can play on and off the ball, and he has some Jamal Murray/Kyrie Irving in him.

He plays bigger than his size and always plays with high intensity on both ends. He can play both backcourt positions at 6'3 and with a 6'6 wingspan, not superathletic but good athlete. Very good handles.

He has terrific touch, for what I have seen I think he is gonna be a very good three-level scorer in the league and really dangerous in transition.

He did not have a good 3p percentage at Kentucky, but he shot over 83% from FTs and he has that nice touch, so I expect him to be good from three in the pros.

He is with Rich Paul and he is only 19 years old...we will see if these couple of things make him not an option for us at #10.

I'm definitely intrigued by his " Point of Attack" defense as well as his potential for making big shots. For my part, I actually see a mix of Pat Beverly defensively ( Will be his calling card upon entering the league) / Lou Williams offensively ( If he can hit his ceiling. But his percentages do concern me quite a bit. I hope it's an outlier situation though IF he's our target.

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Really nice find man!

This could put Terry in play at 10. Size was his biggest concern. Outstanding shooter.

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I agree! Like I've been saying, He's a really high IQ prospect ( broke the record on the NBA IQ test!)
https://www.google.com/amp/s/therookiewire.usatoday.com/2020/06/16/tyrell-terry-broke-a-record-for-a-basketball-iq-test-given-by-teams/amp/

According to a person who spoke to USA TODAY Sports Media Group’s Rookie Wire on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly on the matter, Tyrell Terry “broke a record” for a basketball IQ test administered by several NBA front offices this offseason. Already considered one of the best shooters in the class, he would be a welcome addition to any NBA franchise.

Beyond Athlete Management (@beyond_am) Tweeted:
When Tyrell Terry arrived at Stanford one year ago, he was 6'1" and 155 lbs. He set the Pac-12 on fire with a terrific freshman season. Now, standing 6'3" and 174 lbs, he's ready for the NBA. @tyterry05 #nbadraft https://t.co/48BZD27fmR

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** He's really getting stronger and his work ethic is really solid too.Also as was mentioned above, He already has elite shooting potential ( ala Tre Young / Steph Curry) and has underrated playmaking abilities. His main knock against him was his size and strength issues. Which I believe would be alleviated by the NBAs' professional strength training program and expert dietitians. He just really seems like a James Jones type of prospect to me. Seems like we'll have plenty of solid options at 10, And possibly even more in a trade back scenario too.

I see him becoming a more explosive, better playmaking version of Trae Young as a median outcome. So IF you had a chance to take a stronger, more explosive version of Trae Young, Wouldn't you HAVE TO? For sake of value and potential upside. Especially in this draft.

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** He's really getting stronger and his work ethic is really solid too.Also as was mentioned above, He already has elite shooting potential ( ala Tre Young / Steph Curry) and has underrated playmaking abilities. His main knock against him was his size and strength issues. Which I believe would be alleviated by the NBAs' professional strength training program and expert dietitians. He just really seems like a James Jones type of prospect to me. Seems like we'll have plenty of solid options at 10, And possibly even more in a trade back scenario too.

I see him becoming a more explosive, better playmaking version of Trae Young as a median outcome. So IF you had a chance to take a stronger, more explosive version of Trae Young, Wouldn't you HAVE TO? For sake of value and potential upside. Especially in this draft.

I think that Terry is an OK prospect, but what you saying here about him is overrating him hard IMO. If all that would be true he would be the #1 pick in the draft, no doubt about it.

The guy scored just over 14 points per game and you are comparing him with Trae and Curry who scored over 27 PPG before going to the league...almost double him in scoring. He is not even close to them as a scoring/shooting PG.

And about being more explosive...I think he is not. Trae and Curry are pretty good overall athletes, they just lack upper body strentgh, but that is not very usefull in basketball and even less at the PG position....so I think Terry does not have any advantage in that aspect.

And a better playmaker than Trae? That guy was the leader in assists and points at the NCAA as a freshman....

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Yeah, Tyrell Terry does seem like a James Jones type of player. I like high iq guys, especially when they also shoot really well. I wouldn't be unhappy with that pick.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Seth Curry seems like a good comp for Terry and I don't mean that in a bad way because Seth is a useful dude. Now if he continues to grow and progress at running an offense his upside is above that.

They all have some weaknesses but the Terry, Anthony, Maxey, Lewis group of mid first PGs are all intriguing.

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Seth Curry seems like a good comp for Terry and I don't mean that in a bad way because Seth is a useful dude. Now if he continues to grow and progress at running an offense his upside is above that.

They all have some weaknesses but the Terry, Anthony, Maxey, Lewis group of mid first PGs are all intriguing.

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I don't really see that. Seth Curry is a small shooting guard. He was even a shooting guard at Duke. Tyrell Terry is more of a pg, who can probably run an offense, at least in a back up role. He also defends, something Seth Curry doesn't do much of.

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** He's really getting stronger and his work ethic is really solid too.Also as was mentioned above, He already has elite shooting potential ( ala Tre Young / Steph Curry) and has underrated playmaking abilities. His main knock against him was his size and strength issues. Which I believe would be alleviated by the NBAs' professional strength training program and expert dietitians. He just really seems like a James Jones type of prospect to me. Seems like we'll have plenty of solid options at 10, And possibly even more in a trade back scenario too.

I see him becoming a more explosive, better playmaking version of Trae Young as a median outcome. So IF you had a chance to take a stronger, more explosive version of Trae Young, Wouldn't you HAVE TO? For sake of value and potential upside. Especially in this draft.

I think that Terry is an OK prospect, but what you saying here about him is overrating him hard IMO. If all that would be true he would be the #1 pick in the draft, no doubt about it.

The guy scored just over 14 points per game and you are comparing him with Trae and Curry who scored over 27 PPG before going to the league...almost double him in scoring. He is not even close to them as a scoring/shooting PG.

And about being more explosive...I think he is not. Trae and Curry are pretty good overall athletes, they just lack upper body strentgh, but that is not very usefull in basketball and even less at the PG position....so I think Terry does not have any advantage in that aspect.

And a better playmaker than Trae? That guy was the leader in assists and points at the NCAA as a freshman....

Great points man! And very valid too.
But let's "Agree to disagree" on his potential outcome for now.

To be fair though, I DID SAY "I see him BECOMING" ( as in not there yet)!

I see him becoming a more explosive, better playmaking version of Trae Young

So, Even though the majority of draft prospects levels of success is of course highly situational, Just give him some time in the league, And we can revisit his value. But for now, I'm apparantly NOT the only one who sees the potential similarities for him to Curry/ Young either!

Alex Kennedy (@AlexKennedyNBA) Tweeted:
Tyrell Terry (@tyterry05) may be the best shooter in the 2020 NBA Draft and he's even drawing some comparisons to Steph Curry and Trae Young.

Terry opened up to @BryanKalbrosky about how he's preparing for the draft, his game, his NBA goals and more. Q&A: https://t.co/NrUphO4FeK https://t.co/GTW2U88kCZ

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But as far as comparing him to them as shooters,
http://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=tyrell-terry--stephen-curry--trae-young

Whilst I'll absolutely concede that you're correct in that both Curry and Young had much higher scoring averages in college, However, Both Curry and Young also had much higher usage than that of Terry as well. For example:

[b]Curry
38.3 Usage.
Young
37.1 Usage.
Terry
24.5 Usage.
But as to the comparison for their shooting percentages:
- Terry:
44% FG/ 40% 3PT/ 89% FT/ .589 TS% / .535 EFG%.

- Young:
42FG% / 36%3PT/ 86%FT/ .585 TS%/ .518 EFG%.

Curry:
45Fg%/ 38% 3PT/ 87% FT/ . 604 TS%/ .549 EFG%.
SO whilst they were also better in the majority of statistical categories in college, Terry still averaged better percentages from both the 3 point line, As well as from the free throw line than that of BOTH Curry and Young, And had better shooting percentages overall than Young. Also, Many nba scouts/ pundits have referenced the correlation between Free throw shooting percentages and perimeter shooting as a tool to gauge likely improvement/ potential.

So with respect to that, I'd still argue that Terry has very comparable elite shooting potential to that of Young, and Curry. So I still personally think he's got really good potential for a similar high end outcome to either. I'd also argue that a fair amount of his scoring deficiencies, and advanced stats, efficiency, etc. might very well be attributed to his lack of strength/ weight in comparison to that of Young/ Curry in college. And again also due to much less usage than Curry / Young had for their teams.

As for Terry not having the potential to become a better/ more explosive overall athlete than both Curry and Young:
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He boasted a vertical leap of 35½ inches — 7½ inches better than the NBA average — at the pre-draft combine in 2009. Curry's backcourt mate, Klay Thompson, has 19 dunks this season despite having just a 26½-inch vertical.Feb 22, 2019

Young
Apparently it's not listed anywhere. So we'd have to compare video clips of the two I suppose in order to gauge the similarities?
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Please also reference Youngs' dunk ( at around 9:38- 9:42 ) in this clip to compare his explosiveness, athleticism to that of Terry k.

Terry
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He might be a freshman, but he sure doesn't play like it.

@tyterry05 looked like a seasoned vet tonight at Maples. His steal and jam is the @OpusBank #12Best moment of the game. https://t.co/Fi2BwaewQR

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*** Also, Please compare Curry's AND Young's Dunks to the one at around 1:07- 1:10 of the clip in this tweet, and tell me you still don't think he can become more explosive???

Currently no listed vertical ( Pre combine).
But here's a clip ( in addition to his workout clip above) for you yo compare to Youngs' and Curry's Dunk clip if that helps the comparison. Otherwise we'll likely have to wait for the combine results coming up. And Lastly, With respect to the Steph Curry/ Trae Young comparison:

https://www.nbadraft.net/players/tyrell-terry/

Overall: A late bloomer physically … One of the most intriguing “projects” in this year’s draft … Despite possibly “jumping the gun” on a pro career, he has one of the highest ceilings of any point guard in this year’s draft … Pending how his body develops, he can become a stand out in the NBA … He’s a natural shooter and playmaker with shades of Stephen Curry and Trae Young to his game …

https://acp2017.wixsite.com/macrosports/post/player-breakdown-tyrell-terry

Keep in mind Terry only averaged 10 shot attempts per game. Percentage wise, Terry’s numbers are similar to Steph Curry and Trae Young’s freshman seasons, but his shot attempts are not even at the level of Curry (15) and Young (19).

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.brewhoop.com/platform/amp/2020/4/9/21213320/milwaukee-bucks-2020-nba-draft-prospects-tyrell-terry-scouting-report

Overview

When you first see Tyrell Terry play, it’s hard not to see shades of Trae Young in his game. He has the capability to knock down shots from the deep beyond, whether it be off the bounce or of the catch-and-shoot variety. His pick-and-roll game is even similar given the way he’s able to creatively find open rollers on their way to the rim.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/kslsports.com/441970/utah-jazz-nba-draft-prospects-stanford-guard-tyrell-terry/amp/

It’s hard to watch Terry’s game and not immediately make comparisons to guys like the Golden State Warriors Steph Curry and Atlanta Hawks Trae Young.

Stanford Men's Basketball (@StanfordMBB) Tweeted:
"I'm not sure what else I need to say about Tyrell Terry... he plays with confidence, plays at his own speed & takes on the challenge every night."
Lastly, Check out his beautiful, pure, silky smooth near perfect shooting mechanics on his shooting, Even from distance, And tell me who it reminds you off?
Another special one for @tyterry05 on Wednesday with a career-high 27 #GoStanford https://t.co/luesv1cE8s

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Seth Curry seems like a good comp for Terry and I don't mean that in a bad way because Seth is a useful dude. Now if he continues to grow and progress at running an offense his upside is above that.

They all have some weaknesses but the Terry, Anthony, Maxey, Lewis group of mid first PGs are all intriguing.

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They all have some weaknesses but the Terry, Anthony, Maxey, Lewis group of mid first PGs are all intriguing.

I definitely agree man. But one of the things that I like most about Terry is his ultra high IQ and his relentless work ethic to improve/ evolve his game. In the video clip you offered, His trainer mentioned he was in the gym 5 days a week working on his strength/ conditioning. So his commitment is high. I think that is really an important factor to a prospects potential for success in the NBA. Vassell also has that similar work ethic, As well as a few of the other prospects. But that's a critical attribute that we need to target in any potential prospects that we consider drafting. Because if they they're passive and don't have that fire, The odds of them improving, reaching the high end outcome, and making a measurable impact is greatly reduced.

I think this kid is going to surprise a great many detractors whenst he gets to the league.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Yeah, Tyrell Terry does seem like a James Jones type of player. I like high iq guys, especially when they also shoot really well. I wouldn't be unhappy with that pick.

I'm just really happy to see his impressive commitment to working on getting stronger and improving upon his weaknesses. It's just such an important trait to possess for a young prospects outcome. It just really disappoints me when you see young draftees that are just satisfied to make the league and don't put in the effort to improve and are passive, seem apathetic to their trajectory.

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Very interesting tool to try out for the draft prospects percentages/ comparisons, etc!

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To each their own eh Frank.

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