Offseason Thread 6: The Not So Mexican Stand-off Continues

[paulpressey25]

5/70 is a much better deal for the Suns than 4/63. 14 a year instead of 16.

It is a better deal for the Suns if Bledsoe stays healthy and performs as he did last year. Especially with no opt-outs for him.

Otherwise, the Suns are going to have that 5th year which will be a further boat anchor on your cap should Bledsoe get injured. With a four year deal at $16mm a year, that contract would have been more tradeable in the future.

The level of boat anchor will depend whether the contract is structured straight-line ($14mm in year five), ascending (where it could be as much as maybe $18mm in year five) or a declining contract (say maybe $12mm in year five)

The actual dollars paid in each year will have some small impact on how tradeable a deal it might be in the future.

As I said three months ago, you guys were screwed any way this ended because as fate had it, Bledsoe's contract came up before he could really prove last year was sustainable and he can stay healthy. As an NBA fan, it drives me nuts when these less proven guys become FA or RFA before they prove it over a number of years.

[ShawnBronald]

One thing no one is mentioning is that our medical staff had to sign off on this I would assume/hope.

If they didn't feel comfortable on Bledsoe's knees then we would of forced a contract just like we tried with STAT.

I mentioned it.

[thamadkant]

Dragic's impressive stats are purely offensive and efficiency though.
I think Bledsoe's defense is smothering and its what championship teams have proven... you need a PG that prevents easy penetration and big men who grab boards and protect the key.

3D guys who rotate the ball is also key.

[bwgood77]

Any clue if it is frontloaded?

Can't be too frontloaded. He is making $14 million a year avg, and the highest he can start at is 14.7.

You can do 7.5% increases or decreases, so I suppose it could be something like

14.7, 15.4, 14.3, 13.3, 12.3

I guess that's fairly frontloaded.

It can only be increased and decreased from the base salary. So in your scenario you could only increase and decrease from 14.7, not from each year

Wasn't sure about that. In that case, there isn't much you could do anyway, so the straight up deal makes sense.

[PhxSunsFan13]

What a deal for us, $14 million a year for five years. We got an extra year and only had to pay $2 million more per season. Rest assured that the front office most likely consulted with our training staff before offering the deal. It will be an exciting season having one of the deepest backcourts in the league!

[alldayeveryday]

One thing no one is mentioning is that our medical staff had to sign off on this I would assume/hope.

If they didn't feel comfortable on Bledsoe's knees then we would of forced a contract just like we tried with STAT.

I mentioned it.

My apologies!

[bwgood77]

5/70 is a much better deal for the Suns than 4/63. 14 a year instead of 16.

It is a better deal for the Suns if Bledsoe stays healthy and performs as he did last year. Especially with no opt-outs for him.

Otherwise, the Suns are going to have that 5th year which will be a further boat anchor on your cap should Bledsoe get injured. With a four year deal at $16mm a year, that contract would have been more tradeable in the future.

The level of boat anchor will depend whether the contract is structured straight-line ($14mm in year five), ascending (where it could be as much as maybe $18mm in year five) or a declining contract (say maybe $12mm in year five)

The actual dollars paid in each year will have some small impact on how tradeable a deal it might be in the future.

As I said three months ago, you guys were screwed any way this ended because as fate had it, Bledsoe's contract came up before he could really prove last year was sustainable and he can stay healthy. As an NBA fan, it drives me nuts when these less proven guys become FA or RFA before they prove it over a number of years.

I think if he is healthy, less per year for longer years is more desirable for any team. Teams don't like to trade for guys if they soon become free agents. If he is injured, he isn't tradeable anyway.

[JDLAW]

Also Suns using up its 5 year contract on Bledsoe...
What does that say to Dragic?.. Goran that is...

4 year extention?..

or is McD finally getting his way over Babby and Sarver?

Because I would say McD would be more pro-Bledsoe than Dragic.

One does not have anything to do with the other. Suns can give Dragic a 5 year deal if they wish.

[aIvin adams]

5/70 is a much better deal for the Suns than 4/63. 14 a year instead of 16.

It is a better deal for the Suns if Bledsoe stays healthy and performs as he did last year. Especially with no opt-outs for him.

Otherwise, the Suns are going to have that 5th year which will be a further boat anchor on your cap should Bledsoe get injured. With a four year deal at $16mm a year, that contract would have been more tradeable in the future.

The level of boat anchor will depend whether the contract is structured straight-line ($14mm in year five), ascending (where it could be as much as maybe $18mm in year five) or a declining contract (say maybe $12mm in year five)

The actual dollars paid in each year will have some small impact on how tradeable a deal it might be in the future.

As I said three months ago, you guys were screwed any way this ended because as fate had it, Bledsoe's contract came up before he could really prove last year was sustainable and he can stay healthy. As an NBA fan, it drives me nuts when these less proven guys become FA or RFA before they prove it over a number of years.

not sure about the 'proving he can stay healthy' part. yah, he has been injured a lot. but so have a lot of players. it's just part of the business. the suns staff are familiar with him and his body so it's not like they're flying blind. i just dunno - either they think he is injury prone, or they don't. not sure what one year healthy would have proved.

and i don't agree if yer saying you don't think he's proven that he's worth that kind of money when healthy. he is, for sure, an all-star caliber guard. i mean he's consistently very very good at so many things. it's not like he's going to forget how to play defense or how to be stronger/quicker than everyone who is guarding him. even without a good shot he can score all over the floor and is an at least avg passer for a PG. he's gooooood

AND WE GOT HIM FOR FIVE YEARS! EAT IT NBA. WE R COMING FOR ALL THE CHAMPIONSHIPS.

[Sunsdeuce]

@Gambo987: The Bledsoe signing will not affect the Suns ability to resign Goran Dragic next season


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[ShawnBronald]

Depending on how we play next season, I'm guessing Sarver would be willing to go over the cap to keep the core together.

[SunZel]

How about that presser eh? Think he will get one?

[RunDogGun]

Also Suns using up its 5 year contract on Bledsoe...
What does that say to Dragic?.. Goran that is...

4 year extention?..

or is McD finally getting his way over Babby and Sarver?

Because I would say McD would be more pro-Bledsoe than Dragic.

One does not have anything to do with the other. Suns can give Dragic a 5 year deal if they wish.

Yep, this has been covered a number of times. Even though they call it an extension, it really isn't, because he was a FA. So we can still give out five year contracts to our own FAs, as many as we want. I believe if we extend a player before their contract is up, is when the fifth year is only allowed to one player.

[RaisingArizona]

Good! Can we finally talk basketball again instead of salary figures? I hope we still pursue Zoran-- in my opinion, Bledsoe is still trade bait.

[Sunsdeuce]

I would feel much better if we had a quality big. I love goran and the fact we have lots of quality in the backcourt. But building a team through the backcourt isn't a realistic way to build a contender.

Spurs win with a talented backcourt because they have a hall of famer at center with Duncan. Next offseason has be focused on resigning goran and finding a way to get an all-star big.


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[thamadkant]

Depending on how we play next season, I'm guessing Sarver would be willing to go over the cap to keep the core together.

Which is what I'm HIGHLY concerned with aswell.

I like for the FO to approach it like "Willing to go over the cap for a CONTENDING team, as in top 4"
Rather than "go over the cap for 8th ~ 9th seed".

[RunDogGun]

5/70 is a much better deal for the Suns than 4/63. 14 a year instead of 16.

It is a better deal for the Suns if Bledsoe stays healthy and performs as he did last year. Especially with no opt-outs for him.

Otherwise, the Suns are going to have that 5th year which will be a further boat anchor on your cap should Bledsoe get injured. With a four year deal at $16mm a year, that contract would have been more tradeable in the future.

The level of boat anchor will depend whether the contract is structured straight-line ($14mm in year five), ascending (where it could be as much as maybe $18mm in year five) or a declining contract (say maybe $12mm in year five)

The actual dollars paid in each year will have some small impact on how tradeable a deal it might be in the future.

As I said three months ago, you guys were screwed any way this ended because as fate had it, Bledsoe's contract came up before he could really prove last year was sustainable and he can stay healthy. As an NBA fan, it drives me nuts when these less proven guys become FA or RFA before they prove it over a number of years.

not sure about the 'proving he can stay healthy' part. yah, he has been injured a lot. but so have a lot of players. it's just part of the business. the suns staff are familiar with him and his body so it's not like they're flying blind. i just dunno - either they think he is injury prone, or they don't. not sure what one year healthy would have proved.

and i don't agree if yer saying you don't think he's proven that he's worth that kind of money when healthy. he is, for sure, an all-star caliber guard. i mean he's consistently very very good at so many things. it's not like he's going to forget how to play defense or how to be stronger/quicker than everyone who is guarding him. even without a good shot he can score all over the floor and is an at least avg passer for a PG. he's gooooood

AND WE GOT HIM FOR FIVE YEARS! EAT IT NBA. WE R COMING FOR ALL THE CHAMPIONSHIPS.

He could get lazy though, now that he is locked up for $70 million. If he is smart, he would never have to work again after the next five seasons.

[thamadkant]

So I take it that all the Bledsoe haters here are back on being his fans again?

Assuming Suns keep him long term...

[RunDogGun]

Good! Can we finally talk basketball again instead of salary figures? I hope we still pursue Zoran-- in my opinion, Bledsoe is still trade bait.

Traxxe said we will lock up Zoran, and call the offseason closed.

[JDLAW]

Depending on how we play next season, I'm guessing Sarver would be willing to go over the cap to keep the core together.

This isn't the NFL - he can go over the cap and can go over the lux tax threshold. I have not put pencil to paper, but I think he will be able to pay the Morris Twins, Dragic and Green next year without breaching the lux tax. With the Bledsoe signing we are just under the cap at about $57M