Suns Offseason Thread 4: Where's Terrence Williams?

[saintEscaton]

I'm fine with whatever happens just as long as the FO doesn't overreact compromise their position of strength and go into panic mode by trying to mortgage the future to acquire a stop-gap PF who doesn't fit into the longterm plan just so that our starting lineup looks better on paper in order to sell tickets and remain in the hunt

[RunDogGun]

So now news today? No word from either the FO or Markieff about a trade demand?

Ray Ray or Traxxe, any word?

I get the feeling the only word that everyone is going off of is Marcus, and we all know how not bright he is.

[Saberestar]

Gambo has said today that two players that we like are Motiejunas and Frye. I couldn't hear all what he said, but I understood that we want to trade him for a PF that can replace him like an starter, not a pick or young player. Not sure if they said something more about the situation.

[letsgosuns]

Gambo has said today that two players that we like are Motiejunas and Frye. I couldn't hear all what he said, but I understood that we want to trade him for a PF that can replace him like an starter, not a pick or young player. Not sure if they said something more about the situation.

I would take Montiejunas but I never want Frye back on the Suns. He legitimately does nothing else besides stand at the three point line. He is not a consistent shooter either. He is either on fire or misses everything. And his horrible defense and rebounding make him so unattractive. There is a reason why Orlando wants to dump his contract. He averaged 7 points and 4 rebounds a game last year on 39% fg shooting. Ugh the Suns should stay far away from him.

[tdjm]

Frye is flaming dumpster trash and the most loathsome player (on court) to ever wear a Suns uniform. I legitimately hate him and everything he represents. I would be so disappointed if we wound up with him on the team again.

[Saberestar]

Gambo has said today that two players that we like are Motiejunas and Frye. I couldn't hear all what he said, but I understood that we want to trade him for a PF that can replace him like an starter, not a pick or young player. Not sure if they said something more about the situation.

I would take Montiejunas but I never want Frye back on the Suns. He legitimately does nothing else besides stand at the three point line. He is not a consistent shooter either. He is either on fire or misses everything. And his horrible defense and rebounding make him so unattractive. There is a reason why Orlando wants to dump his contract. He averaged 7 points and 4 rebounds a game last year on 39% fg shooting. Ugh the Suns should stay far away from him.

Yes, Motiejunas would be a better option, but I don't hate that much to bring Frye if they attached to him a pick. I don't like it, but still....

BTW, I don't think Gambo knows who is targeting McDonough, he surprises always with his trades, so probably Motiejunas and Frye are not even on our radar.

[letsgosuns]

Look at how low Markieff is thought of by another team's media members. Six guys talking about the Cavs. Not one of them says they would take him. And they are talking about taking him for free too through the trade exception the Cavs got for Brendan Haywood. The majority of them adamantly want no part of him. Way too many red flags and a major attitude problem. All things I have been saying for a long time. The guy is poison to team chemistry. http://www.fearthesword.com/2015/8/7/9115103/fear-the-roundtable-should-the-cavs-pursue-markieff-morris-is-j-r

[saintEscaton]

Look at how low Markieff is thought of by another team's media members. Six guys talking about the Cavs. Not one of them says they would take him. And they are talking about taking him for free too through the trade exception the Cavs got for Brendan Haywood. The majority of them adamantly want no part of him. Way too many red flags and a major attitude problem. All things I have been saying for a long time. The guy is poison to team chemistry. http://www.fearthesword.com/2015/8/7/9115103/fear-the-roundtable-should-the-cavs-pursue-markieff-morris-is-j-r

Its just another homer blogger so I wouldn't take their word as definitively indicative of his league percpetion.But lol a Cavs fan on the General Board offered Anderson Varajeo in exchange for Kieff and taking back their 2016 pick we own. I don't now if that's any better...

[Gorilla Warfare]

Frye is flaming dumpster trash and the most loathsome player (on court) to ever wear a Suns uniform. I legitimately hate him and everything he represents. I would be so disappointed if we wound up with him on the team again.

Yeah, but tell us how you REALLY feel.

[Qwigglez]

Frye isn't a bad role player. I wouldn't mind getting him back but not at the cost of trading Kieff. Maybe Kieff for Aaron Gordon/Frye.

[HootieRules]

I'm fine with whatever happens just as long as the FO doesn't overreact compromise their position of strength and go into panic mode by trying to mortgage the future to acquire a stop-gap PF who doesn't fit into the longterm plan just so that our starting lineup looks better on paper in order to sell tickets and remain in the hunt

Which is exactly what will happen based on recent history

[AtheJ415]

I do not want Frye. At all. Too old for what we need.

[batsmasher]

Frye isn't a bad role player. I wouldn't mind getting him back but not at the cost of trading Kieff. Maybe Kieff for Aaron Gordon/Frye.

Maybe they should throw in Dipo as well just to make it fair.....

[Flying Colors]

Frye isn't a bad role player. I wouldn't mind getting him back but not at the cost of trading Kieff. Maybe Kieff for Aaron Gordon/Frye.

Maybe they should throw in Dipo as well just to make it fair.....

whoa come on now, thats highway robbery. Magic should throw in two unprotected first round picks at the very least to make this trade more balanced

[LukasBMW]

The Morris twins are punks, but you can’t say the Suns didn’t really screw this entire rebuild up.

The 2013-2014 team overachieved at the worst possible time and we ended up missing out on a high lottery pick in a great draft. Yes, we did snag TJ Warren who could be a steal, but I’d still rather have had a shot at Wiggins.

Following the 2013-2014 season, we botch the Bledsoe negotiations, let Frye walk, and instead use Frye’s money to get IT. I remember thinking at the time that we would have been better off with Frye then IT at the same price. Additionally, we possibly could have extended Dragic if the Bledsoe negotiations hadn’t taken so long.

Only weeks into the season we could see that the 3 PG lineup would be an issue. We could have shipped out IT right away to give him a better opportunity elsewhere and gotten a decent return, but instead we held on. By midseason the happiness that the Morris twins and Dragic brothers displayed during training camp were gone and the team culture was toxic. We again could have shipped out IT to appease Dragic but we didn’t. This is the BIGGEST mistake we made. It ended up costing us our best player AND best asset (the Laker pick). By the way, the Lakers will be terrible again this year and that pick could still be top 7. If we had kept Frye instead of getting IT we probably would have made the playoffs.

This summer we go “all in” to try to get LMA and end up trading away Mook to make room. Additionally, Keef has to know we were going to replace him with LMA and either trade him to make room as well OR push him back to the bench. LMA shanks us and we find out that we were never really in consideration at all. The Spurs had him locked up since day 1. The Morris brothers feel disrespected and mislead and now the Suns are stuck.

Essentially we have gutted the over achieving team and now are stuck rebuilding completely with late first round picks while teams like Philly and Minnesota tanked properly and are now loaded with young talent.

We have lost our two best players in Dragic and Keef and also our best asset (Laker pick). Booker and Warren could be steals, but I’d still rather have had a shot at Parker/Wiggins or KAT/Okafor.

Finally, you can’t say players around the league won’t take note of how Dragic and Keef left. This will hurt us.

None of this would have happened on a Colangelo watch.

[NTB]

Finally, you can’t say players around the league won’t take note of how Dragic and Keef left. This will hurt us.

Well, they can take note of how Chandler came and Knight stayed immediately and how they told very good things about the organization as well.

[saintEscaton]

The Morris twins are punks, but you can’t say the Suns didn’t really screw this entire rebuild up.

The 2013-2014 team overachieved at the worst possible time and we ended up missing out on a high lottery pick in a great draft. Yes, we did snag TJ Warren who could be a steal, but I’d still rather have had a shot at Wiggins.

Following the 2013-2014 season, we botch the Bledsoe negotiations, let Frye walk, and instead use Frye’s money to get IT. I remember thinking at the time that we would have been better off with Frye then IT at the same price. Additionally, we possibly could have extended Dragic if the Bledsoe negotiations hadn’t taken so long.

Only weeks into the season we could see that the 3 PG lineup would be an issue. We could have shipped out IT right away to give him a better opportunity elsewhere and gotten a decent return, but instead we held on. By midseason the happiness that the Morris twins and Dragic brothers displayed during training camp were gone and the team culture was toxic. We again could have shipped out IT to appease Dragic but we didn’t. This is the BIGGEST mistake we made. It ended up costing us our best player AND best asset (the Laker pick). By the way, the Lakers will be terrible again this year and that pick could still be top 7. If we had kept Frye instead of getting IT we probably would have made the playoffs.


This summer we go “all in” to try to get LMA and end up trading away Mook to make room. Additionally, Keef has to know we were going to replace him with LMA and either trade him to make room as well OR push him back to the bench. LMA shanks us and we find out that we were never really in consideration at all. The Spurs had him locked up since day 1. The Morris brothers feel disrespected and mislead and now the Suns are stuck.

Essentially we have gutted the over achieving team and now are stuck rebuilding completely with late first round picks while teams like Philly and Minnesota tanked properly and are now loaded with young talent.

We have lost our two best players in Dragic and Keef and also our best asset (Laker pick). Booker and Warren could be steals, but I’d still rather have had a shot at Parker/Wiggins or KAT/Okafor.

Finally, you can’t say players around the league won’t take note of how Dragic and Keef left. This will hurt us.

None of this would have happened on a Colangelo watch.

Agree with everything except the bit about how we should have re-signed Frye

[LukasBMW]

The Morris twins are punks, but you can’t say the Suns didn’t really screw this entire rebuild up.

The 2013-2014 team overachieved at the worst possible time and we ended up missing out on a high lottery pick in a great draft. Yes, we did snag TJ Warren who could be a steal, but I’d still rather have had a shot at Wiggins.

Following the 2013-2014 season, we botch the Bledsoe negotiations, let Frye walk, and instead use Frye’s money to get IT. I remember thinking at the time that we would have been better off with Frye then IT at the same price. Additionally, we possibly could have extended Dragic if the Bledsoe negotiations hadn’t taken so long.

Only weeks into the season we could see that the 3 PG lineup would be an issue. We could have shipped out IT right away to give him a better opportunity elsewhere and gotten a decent return, but instead we held on. By midseason the happiness that the Morris twins and Dragic brothers displayed during training camp were gone and the team culture was toxic. We again could have shipped out IT to appease Dragic but we didn’t. This is the BIGGEST mistake we made. It ended up costing us our best player AND best asset (the Laker pick). By the way, the Lakers will be terrible again this year and that pick could still be top 7. If we had kept Frye instead of getting IT we probably would have made the playoffs.


This summer we go “all in” to try to get LMA and end up trading away Mook to make room. Additionally, Keef has to know we were going to replace him with LMA and either trade him to make room as well OR push him back to the bench. LMA shanks us and we find out that we were never really in consideration at all. The Spurs had him locked up since day 1. The Morris brothers feel disrespected and mislead and now the Suns are stuck.

Essentially we have gutted the over achieving team and now are stuck rebuilding completely with late first round picks while teams like Philly and Minnesota tanked properly and are now loaded with young talent.

We have lost our two best players in Dragic and Keef and also our best asset (Laker pick). Booker and Warren could be steals, but I’d still rather have had a shot at Parker/Wiggins or KAT/Okafor.

Finally, you can’t say players around the league won’t take note of how Dragic and Keef left. This will hurt us.

None of this would have happened on a Colangelo watch.

Agree with everything except the bit about how we should have re-signed Frye

That's the only hard part. Frye got a huge deal and played like crap this season. Signing him to that deal and matching Orlando could have effected our long term flexibility. Keyword: Could have. Hindsight is 20/20 and now inking him wouldn't have cost us a dime and maybe could have prevented the meltdown.

Still, signing IT for the same amount of money was just dumb. And it all could have been avoided if we payed Bledsoe what we were willing to pay him from the start. But again, Rich Paul is a prick and he can also be blamed for that.

[SunsFanSSOL]

Following the 2013-2014 season, we botch the Bledsoe negotiations, let Frye walk, and instead use Frye’s money to get IT. I remember thinking at the time that we would have been better off with Frye then IT at the same price. Additionally, we possibly could have extended Dragic if the Bledsoe negotiations hadn’t taken so long.

Only weeks into the season we could see that the 3 PG lineup would be an issue. We could have shipped out IT right away to give him a better opportunity elsewhere and gotten a decent return, but instead we held on. By midseason the happiness that the Morris twins and Dragic brothers displayed during training camp were gone and the team culture was toxic. We again could have shipped out IT to appease Dragic but we didn’t. This is the BIGGEST mistake we made. It ended up costing us our best player AND best asset (the Laker pick). By the way, the Lakers will be terrible again this year and that pick could still be top 7. If we had kept Frye instead of getting IT we probably would have made the playoffs.

This summer we go “all in” to try to get LMA and end up trading away Mook to make room. Additionally, Keef has to know we were going to replace him with LMA and either trade him to make room as well OR push him back to the bench. LMA shanks us and we find out that we were never really in consideration at all. The Spurs had him locked up since day 1. The Morris brothers feel disrespected and mislead and now the Suns are stuck.

Essentially we have gutted the over achieving team and now are stuck rebuilding completely with late first round picks while teams like Philly and Minnesota tanked properly and are now loaded with young talent.

We have lost our two best players in Dragic and Keef and also our best asset (Laker pick). Booker and Warren could be steals, but I’d still rather have had a shot at Parker/Wiggins or KAT/Okafor.

Finally, you can’t say players around the league won’t take note of how Dragic and Keef left. This will hurt us.

1. Dragic was ineligible for an extension.

2. Lakers pick is not going to be good. This draft is very weak aside from the first few players, it's extremely unlikely the #4-14 pick turns out better than Knight. The pick obviously had little to no value considering the 76ers only gave up MCW (who they've been shopping forever) for it.

3. Mook trade would have happened no matter what.

4. I'd take Knight, Bledsoe and Chandler individually over Dragic and Keef

5. Chandler took note and still signed with us. Dragic doesn't have many friends around the league and Keef is insane.

[bwgood77]

Gambo has said today that two players that we like are Motiejunas and Frye. I couldn't hear all what he said, but I understood that we want to trade him for a PF that can replace him like an starter, not a pick or young player. Not sure if they said something more about the situation.

I would take Montiejunas but I never want Frye back on the Suns. He legitimately does nothing else besides stand at the three point line. He is not a consistent shooter either. He is either on fire or misses everything. And his horrible defense and rebounding make him so unattractive. There is a reason why Orlando wants to dump his contract. He averaged 7 points and 4 rebounds a game last year on 39% fg shooting. Ugh the Suns should stay far away from him.

He'd look a hell of a lot better next to Chandler than Plumlee though. The thing is, our options are probably pretty limited. There just are not many teams out there that have two things that they need to have to be a trade partner. A need for a PF and an asset that is starter material for us, preferably one that can stretch.