Trade Discussion

Bogyo · Post #1461 » by **Bogyo** » Fri Feb 19, 2016 9:33 am

Ryu wrote:I hope Sabonis is available with the Wizz pick. That kid certainly knows how to play basketball.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRQa8630mkI[/youtube]

Hopefully he takes it easier on the vodka than his dad. :lol:

But he looks like a legit replacement for Kieff. Less offense, more rebounding, and a better head on his shoulders. Not a sexy pick, but a good one, nevertheless.

Skillmatic · Post #1462 » by **Skillmatic** » Fri Feb 19, 2016 9:35 am

Oh i really forgot Perry Jones III. I was high on him in the past. But there is a reason that he is not on an NBA roster. But maybe we can give him a chance. We have nothing to lose. And he is still young

Bogyo · Post #1463 » by **Bogyo** » Fri Feb 19, 2016 9:48 am

Rayray, if you are around and can shed some light on what we were trying to do after the Kieff deal it would be appreciated.

One other thing about holding out for a young player as well- my gut feeling is that McD was showing this trade to the Raptors, and trying to get the NYK pick with some other moving parts (Tucker, Telly, CLE pick, whatever). Or at least that's what would make sense to me. The Raptors did not want to trade that much and distrupt their chemistry, which I can understand in some ways (they might be an Irving injury away from the Finals!), but in the long run I think they'll regret not taking this risk. We'll see in a cpl months I guess.

Damkac · Post #1464 » by **Damkac** » Fri Feb 19, 2016 10:22 am

Spoiler:

It was pretty clear to me that McD wanted to rebuild by draft all the time. He traded almost all the vets in his first year but that team overarchieved and Sarver wanted playoffs. I really respect McD for that he was doing what's good for the team long term even though it may cost him his job. I'm sure $arver was saying the word "playoffs" at least ten times in every conversation with him. I said before that someone else as gm might turn this team into Nets of the west.

Happy with the pick but I think that if we would trade Kieff right after trading Marcus the return wouldn't be worse.
I'm curious why this team loves Tucker so much. Maybe he really is great leader in the locker room?

Spoiler:

If we would trade for DMo I would fear that we would have to give him insane money to keep him and he may be injury prone. I prefer the pick. McD may use it to either take a gamble on boom-or-bust prospect or get rotational player on cheap long term deal.

Bogyo · Post #1465 » by **Bogyo** » Fri Feb 19, 2016 10:26 am

Wow, I just realized that Boston has 5 (yes, you read that right FIVE!) second round picks this year, as well as 3 first rounders. They have 15 players under contract, andonly have 4 expiring contracts in Lee, Sullinger, Zeller and Turner, and I'm pretty sure they would like to resign (and trade?) at least 2 of Sully, Zeller and Turner. It will be a busy draft day for sure, and they might just get Love after all is said and done - especially if CLE dissapoints in the playoffs or in the finals which is likely.

I hope we get in on the action, although we are almost at the "too much youth" point. Maybe Knight and our latter picks for a younger star? I just have no idea at the moment who that would be.

Mulhollanddrive · Post #1466 » by **Mulhollanddrive** » Fri Feb 19, 2016 12:13 pm

Simmons and Zhou Qi.

I think these 2 have become underrated, and everyone else overrated.

MathiasPW · Post #1467 » by **MathiasPW** » Fri Feb 19, 2016 12:31 pm

Mulhollanddrive wrote:Simmons and Zhou Qi.

I think these 2 have become underrated, and everyone else overrated.

Not sure you can call a #1 or #2 pick underrated, but I get what you mean. He lost some of his charm recently.

Mulhollanddrive · Post #1468 » by **Mulhollanddrive** » Fri Feb 19, 2016 12:44 pm

I like elite potential guys, I wasn't a fan of Kaminsky last year when the board was going nuts over him.

Likewise this year it might be Rabb or Sabonis, but I'd take Zhou Qi.

carey · Post #1469 » by **carey** » Fri Feb 19, 2016 12:48 pm

Bogyo wrote:Wow, I just realized that Boston has 5 (yes, you read that right FIVE!) second round picks this year, as well as 3 first rounders. They have 15 players under contract, andonly have 4 expiring contracts in Lee, Sullinger, Zeller and Turner, and I'm pretty sure they would like to resign (and trade?) at least 2 of Sully, Zeller and Turner. It will be a busy draft day for sure, and they might just get Love after all is said and done - especially if CLE dissapoints in the playoffs or in the finals which is likely.

I hope we get in on the action, although we are almost at the "too much youth" point. Maybe Knight and our latter picks for a younger star? I just have no idea at the moment who that would be.

I don't understand what Boston has to really offer Cleveland. They traded a #1 overall selection for Love, do you think they are going to turn around 2 seasons later and trade Love for a draft pick? They need guys that can help them win right now. I don't know who that is outside of someone like Kawhi Leonard (an elite perimeter defender) who clearly isn't available.

bigfoot · Post #1470 » by **bigfoot** » Fri Feb 19, 2016 1:06 pm

This morning I woke up smiling !!!

Post #1471 » by **lilfishi22** » Fri Feb 19, 2016 1:12 pm

Finally caught up on the last 15 or so pages. All I can say is: SEEYA!

That Wiz pick is about as good as we're likely to get in terms of a 1st rounder. Even though this draft isn't particularly strong (we seem to draft high during weak drafts...See Len) I think we could net ourselves another solid guy based on McD's track record.

BobbieL · Post #1472 » by **BobbieL** » Fri Feb 19, 2016 1:17 pm

Blackification wrote:I shake my head when the media people just say that the suns did the morris brother dirty by signing them and trading marcus. Yea lets act like Marcus didn't yell at his coach, both of them didnt **** on the fans while getting technicals that possibly cost us games last season, and that they dont have **** felony charges.

Agreed - the Morri didn't have to sign the $52m - decide how you want it split up. They lowballed themselves to do that FOE and play together. That's on them. than to go out, get T'd up, yell at coaches, felony charges, blah blah blah - they brought this on themselves.

As for the team and structure - first and foremost, Knight and Bledsoe need to stay healthy. Bledsoe with Booker and Knight as your third guard (unless one of them is traded) - is something that is do-able. Its that 4 spot that needs to be filled. Sadly, Kieff didn't want to fill it

Fo-Real · Post #1473 » by **Fo-Real** » Fri Feb 19, 2016 2:35 pm

Kerrsed wrote:

Don't forget MAR $WAG BROOKS!!!!

Mulhollanddrive · Post #1474 » by **Mulhollanddrive** » Fri Feb 19, 2016 2:53 pm

McDonough's interview was interesting, says drafting youth has proven to be the best way to achieve sustained success.

Things do seem to change depending on whether playoffs are in the picture though, for the past 6 months I hear him on the radio saying we want to contend ASAP, and need more experience, play harder etc...

So I wonder what our strategy will be when things reset in the off-season.

jcsunsfan · Post #1475 » by **jcsunsfan** » Fri Feb 19, 2016 3:10 pm

Mulhollanddrive wrote:McDonough's interview was interesting, says drafting youth has proven to be the best way to achieve sustained success.

Things do seem to change depending on whether playoffs are in the picture though, for the past 6 months I hear him on the radio saying we want to contend ASAP, and need more experience, play harder etc...

So I wonder what our strategy will be when things reset in the off-season.

It might be that Sarver has relented about retooling quickly and given McD the green light to take the longer road.

Djedefre · Post #1476 » by **Djedefre** » Fri Feb 19, 2016 3:13 pm

From my point of view, it's pretty clear - do everything you can to grab that #2 spot before the very draft night, and if it fails, then try even harder to achieve that next year where we should have more options to choose from (Jackson, Giles, Tatum...).

Bogyo · Post #1477 » by **Bogyo** » Fri Feb 19, 2016 3:21 pm

carey wrote:
Bogyo wrote:Wow, I just realized that Boston has 5 (yes, you read that right FIVE!) second round picks this year, as well as 3 first rounders. They have 15 players under contract, andonly have 4 expiring contracts in Lee, Sullinger, Zeller and Turner, and I'm pretty sure they would like to resign (and trade?) at least 2 of Sully, Zeller and Turner. It will be a busy draft day for sure, and they might just get Love after all is said and done - especially if CLE dissapoints in the playoffs or in the finals which is likely.

I hope we get in on the action, although we are almost at the "too much youth" point. Maybe Knight and our latter picks for a younger star? I just have no idea at the moment who that would be.

I don't understand what Boston has to really offer Cleveland. They traded a #1 overall selection for Love, do you think they are going to turn around 2 seasons later and trade Love for a draft pick? They need guys that can help them win right now. I don't know who that is outside of someone like Kawhi Leonard (an elite perimeter defender) who clearly isn't available.

Well I'm not 100% sure about that as well, I just know that they are waaaaay over any and every cap/luxury tax line, while they will not beat the Warriors or Spurs (barring injuries). Now they got Frye, who can pretty much do the same as Love, if they use him the same way (yes, they don't utilize Love well enough, he is not a good fit on that team imo), only 16 mio cheaper. So if they can get the 3rd, the 19th and the 31st pick of this draft, plus Crowder and Olynyk (or whatever 1-2 players they need) they might do it I think. They would be pretty much the same, with a better bench, some young guys, and would save 10-30 mio in taxes.

Its basically the same idea why some of our posters thought that CLE would be better giving us Love for Morris, Tucker and Knight, only this way they save some money as well, and get a good prospect as well. I was torn on that, as I don't think that we need a Love type player for this team, but I could see why Cleveland would do it.

jcsunsfan · Post #1478 » by **jcsunsfan** » Fri Feb 19, 2016 3:30 pm

Ryu wrote:I hope Sabonis is available with the Wizz pick. That kid certainly knows how to play basketball.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRQa8630mkI[/youtube]

I would use the Cleveland pick to move up a few spots to get him, if I had to. He has the fire, he has the strength, he has the skills, he has the defense.

Post #1479 » by **bwgood77** » Fri Feb 19, 2016 3:43 pm

Mulhollanddrive wrote:McDonough's interview was interesting, says drafting youth has proven to be the best way to achieve sustained success.

Things do seem to change depending on whether playoffs are in the picture though, for the past 6 months I hear him on the radio saying we want to contend ASAP, and need more experience, play harder etc...

So I wonder what our strategy will be when things reset in the off-season.

Yeah, I was just thinking when he said the best way to sustain success is to build through the draft, that I wish the interviewer would have said "then why did you trade the top 3 protected Lakers pick for a pg you could have maybe gotten in FA, especially when you already had a PG?"

MathiasPW · Post #1480 » by **MathiasPW** » Fri Feb 19, 2016 3:45 pm

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/nick-young-mistakenly-thought-the-trade-deadline-was-wednesday-023601876.html

Thus guy is hilarious