The Trade/Free Agency Thread: All Eyes Toward The Offseason 2

[saintEscaton]

Sarver's motto: "Penny wise pound foolish"

[SunsFanSSOL]

Suns may have a chance at Butler

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[Krush32]

Bulls have a bunch of power forwards and we have none. How about:

Knight, 28th pick and 34th pick

for

Taj, Mcdermott, and 14th pick.

We get a decent 4 man, and depth.

[saintEscaton]

Bulls have a bunch of power forwards and we have none. How about:

Knight, 28th pick and 34th pick

for

Taj, Mcdermott, and 14th pick.

We get a decent 4 man, and depth.

I want Portis or Mirotic(he took a big step back his sophomore season but if he can work on his shot selection he can be valuable) in return. Taj is too old, I prefer TJ to Dougie McBuckets and we don't need another rookie. Maybe include our 13 if necessary

[letsgosuns]

Stein's tweets would agree with what that other report said earlier where no team out there wants any players that the Celtics have. So if that is true, they literally only have the third pick in the draft, the Nets future first round picks, and virtually nothing else to offer. The Bulls want more than just picks for Butler.

[Cactus Jack]

GM Ryan McDonough wants to control the coach and Watson, in his first head coaching job, will carry out orders.

“Can you say uninspired?’’ one scout said. “They just didn’t want to spend money.’’

Doesn't sound like Sarver.

[SunsFanSSOL]

Sources say the Celtics are one of just a number of teams trying to convince Utah to surrender Hayward -- Phoenix, which holds two lottery picks (No. 4 and 13) in Thursday's draft, is another -- but the Jazz have been telling interested teams that he is not available.

http://espn.go.com/nba/draft2016/story/_/id/16407161/boston-celtics-rebuffed-bid-swap-no-3-draft-pick-established-veteran

[letsgosuns]

Sources say the Celtics are one of just a number of teams trying to convince Utah to surrender Hayward -- Phoenix, which holds two lottery picks (No. 4 and 13) in Thursday's draft, is another -- but the Jazz have been telling interested teams that he is not available.

http://espn.go.com/nba/draft2016/story/_/id/16407161/boston-celtics-rebuffed-bid-swap-no-3-draft-pick-established-veteran

Not a fan of this. I have zero interest in Hayward. Would take Butler any day over him.

[saintEscaton]

You're not getting either without surrendering Booker. Even then unlikely

[SunsFanSSOL]

You're not getting either without surrendering Booker. Even then unlikely

Booker and Hayward are very similar players, but I don't see the Suns offering him in a trade. I think the Suns offer is likely Knight + 4 for Hayward. I'd be hesitant to include Warren or #13, but it would probably take one of those two.

[letsgosuns]

Gordon Hayward: 19.7 ppg, 3.7 apg, 5.0 rpg, 43.3% fg, 34.9% 3pts, 36.2 mpg, 26 years old

Brandon Knight: 19.6 ppg, 5.1 apg, 3.9 rpg, 41.5% fg, 34.2% 3pts, 36.0 mpg, 24 years old

Hayward is seriously just like Knight but at the small forward position. A streaky scorer that either plays really well or terrible. I would much rather draft a small forward, trade for a different player, or sign someone else instead of trade for Hayward.

[SideSwipe]

Gordon Hayward: 19.7 ppg, 3.7 apg, 5.0 rpg, 43.3% fg, 34.9% 3pts, 36.2 mpg, 26 years old

Brandon Knight: 19.6 ppg, 5.1 apg, 3.9 rpg, 41.5% fg, 34.2% 3pts, 36.0 mpg, 24 years old

Hayward is seriously just like Knight but at the small forward position. A streaky scorer that either plays really well or terrible. I would much rather draft a small forward, trade for a different player, or sign someone else instead of trade for Hayward.

A decent comparison, but not the whole story. Defense is a difference. Also Hayward gets his assists out of the SF position. Not saying I would break the bank for Hayward, but it bears noting.

Bledsoe, Booker, Hayward lineup?

[carey]

Especially for the asking price. What's McDonough's fascination with inefficient scorers?

[saintEscaton]

You're not getting either without surrendering Booker. Even then unlikely

Booker and Hayward are very similar players, but I don't see the Suns offering him in a trade. I think the Suns offer is likely Knight + 4 for Hayward. I'd be hesitant to include Warren or #13, but it would probably take one of those two.

Hood is probably their 2 guard of the future, he is on par with Booker IMO. I just see no reason why they do it unless they believe their core can't get over the hump and want to set their sights higher blowing it up

[Mulhollanddrive]

Why would the Jazz do this out of curiosity.

[Gorilla Warfare]

I like Hayward but the Suns need to let their infatuation with him go. We've been trying to pry him from Utah for like 4 years now and at this point it's just getting sad.

[blee732]

Gordon Hayward: 19.7 ppg, 3.7 apg, 5.0 rpg, 43.3% fg, 34.9% 3pts, 36.2 mpg, 26 years old

Brandon Knight: 19.6 ppg, 5.1 apg, 3.9 rpg, 41.5% fg, 34.2% 3pts, 36.0 mpg, 24 years old

Hayward is seriously just like Knight but at the small forward position. A streaky scorer that either plays really well or terrible. I would much rather draft a small forward, trade for a different player, or sign someone else instead of trade for Hayward.

Not that I'm a big fan of Hayward, but I would take 20/5/4 at the SF spot over 20/4/5 from a PG. A PG with those numbers likely isn't involving his team or running an offense effectively.

Stats don't necessarily mean the same thing across positions. A comparison of VORP (Hayward at 3-4 in recent years, Knight at 0-2) shows that clearly in this case.

[saintEscaton]

Gordon Hayward: 19.7 ppg, 3.7 apg, 5.0 rpg, 43.3% fg, 34.9% 3pts, 36.2 mpg, 26 years old

Brandon Knight: 19.6 ppg, 5.1 apg, 3.9 rpg, 41.5% fg, 34.2% 3pts, 36.0 mpg, 24 years old

Hayward is seriously just like Knight but at the small forward position. A streaky scorer that either plays really well or terrible. I would much rather draft a small forward, trade for a different player, or sign someone else instead of trade for Hayward.

Have you never watched the Jazz or are you just oblivious to APBRmetrics beyond basic boxscore slashlines? Not sure if serious...

[letsgosuns]

Gordon Hayward: 19.7 ppg, 3.7 apg, 5.0 rpg, 43.3% fg, 34.9% 3pts, 36.2 mpg, 26 years old

Brandon Knight: 19.6 ppg, 5.1 apg, 3.9 rpg, 41.5% fg, 34.2% 3pts, 36.0 mpg, 24 years old

Hayward is seriously just like Knight but at the small forward position. A streaky scorer that either plays really well or terrible. I would much rather draft a small forward, trade for a different player, or sign someone else instead of trade for Hayward.

Have you never watched the Jazz or are you just oblivious to ABRmetrics? Not sure if serious...

Hayward is far better than Knight, but I still do not like Hayward. At all. If he was a free agent, I would understand if the Suns went after him. But I have no desire to trade good assets for him. He is not close to a game changing player. People rave about all the talent on the Jazz yet they have not even made the playoffs for four years. They have finished below .500 three years straight. This was the perfect year for them to slip into the playoffs as the eighth seed and they failed. Hayward played 80 games this year. He scored at least 30 points only three times. Booker did more than that. Booker was a rookie and this was Hayward's sixth year. I do not understand people's fascination with him.

[Kerrsed]

Do people not realize that Hayward is like one of the top 5 defensive SF's?