Season speculation, free agency, and trade ideas: #ValleyBoyz rise up

[Saberestar]

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Wonder if this was before or after him and his friends gangraped a woman and claimed that it was her fantasy instead.

Seriously though, I used to love Derrick Rose and would watch his games and highlights on the daily back in the day. But the rape case changed it all, especially after the evidence and testimonies came out.

A bit OT, but personally I do not like to judge people when I really do not have a clue about their personal lifes.

I think it is unfair to judge people because someone said that or someone said this. That can make a serious damage.

There is a system in place to determine if he is guilty or not guilty, and they have all the info and proofs there. It is not perfect, but it is better than going with just "a feeling".

I am gonna judge Rose as a basketball player and his influence on the locker room, not more not less. In that he is really good and that is why I would love him on the Suns if he is open to play on a young team.

[Frank Lee]

please no more Rubio talk that guy is so over rated on this board, he is a below average point guard and Rudy Gobert being 7"3 and going up and getting everything inflates his assists greatly. He cant hit the broad side of a barn.

Baddabing

Tell me someone.... exactly how much an improvement (if any) is Rubio over Tyler Johnson ??? It seems many here are still in denial that we now have a bonafide starting PG, under contract.... who has meshed well, assumed leadership, and flat out contributed significantly in giving the Suns what little life they displayed this past year.

Face it... PGs like Walker, Irving, Russell, Conley, Holiday.... they arent coming here. The FAs will gleefully pass, while the tradables will require too much (likely a mix of Johnson/Warren and certainly a Pick) in return. Russell might be enticed, but its going to be a chunky enticement.

The absolute most logical improvement at PG will be to draft Morant or Garland. But my sleeper is becoming Culver.... thats right Culver. Keep in mind the Booker PG experiment, IMO, is not over, and we still have Melton or Oko waiting in the wings.... (and dare I say a returning Crawford:-?) . But Culver very well could be the most solid player in this draft. Yeah yeah... he's another wing .... but considering our best wing (TJ) seems to be slated at PF or traded...and our worst (Jackson) well, isnt on my list of favorites. Culver, if he can play along side of Booker in the back court, would present a difficult two to match up for any team. He fits the physical make up... 6'6"-7", 7" wingspan, and apparently growing.....He can pass, play D and shoot. We could do worse... much worse.

If we dont get Morant...and Garland isnt the cup of tea.... who here wants to commit to 2-3 yrs of borderline back ups Collison, Joseph, McConnell, etc. We're set with TJohnson, no need to complicate things and truly, we need to focus more on getting a PF in here.


PS.... though I like Clarke, I suspect his wingspan is TRexish. We will have to wait and see. He may be ready to play, but not as our starter. We still have to line up a full-timer


and BTW...Mirotic's agent is Billy Duffy.

[BobbieL]

please no more Rubio talk that guy is so over rated on this board, he is a below average point guard and Rudy Gobert being 7"3 and going up and getting everything inflates his assists greatly. He cant hit the broad side of a barn.

Baddabing

Tell me someone.... exactly how much an improvement (if any) is Rubio over Tyler Johnson ??? It seems many here are still in denial that we now have a bonafide starting PG, under contract.... who has meshed well, assumed leadership, and flat out contributed significantly in giving the Suns what little life they displayed this past year.

Face it... PGs like Walker, Irving, Russell, Conley, Holiday.... they arent coming here. The FAs will gleefully pass, while the tradables will require too much (likely a mix of Johnson/Warren and certainly a Pick) in return. Russell might be enticed, but its going to be a chunky enticement.

The absolute most logical improvement at PG will be to draft Morant or Garland. But my sleeper is becoming Culver.... thats right Culver. Keep in mind the Booker PG experiment, IMO, is not over, and we still have Melton or Oko waiting in the wings.... (and dare I say a returning Crawford:-?) . But Culver very well could be the most solid player in this draft. Yeah yeah... he's another wing .... but considering our best wing (TJ) seems to be slated at PF or traded...and our worst (Jackson) well, isnt on my list of favorites. Culver, if he can play along side of Booker in the back court, would present a difficult two to match up for any team. He fits the physical make up... 6'6"-7", 7" wingspan, and apparently growing.....He can pass, play D and shoot. We could do worse... much worse.

If we dont get Morant...and Garland isnt the cup of tea.... who here wants to commit to 2-3 yrs of borderline back ups Collison, Joseph, McConnell, etc. We're set with TJohnson, no need to complicate things and truly, we need to focus more on getting a PF in here.


PS.... though I like Clarke, I suspect his wingspan is TRexish. We will have to wait and see. He may be ready to play, but not as our starter. We still have to line up a full-timer


and BTW...Mirotic's agent is Billy Duffy.

Jamal Crawford said Tyler Johnson needs to take his game to the next level to be the 6th Man of the Year. I too agree that is the best role for him. Can be a combo guard - that can roll with Booker and can slide to the 2 with a PG.

Maybe its not Rubio - but I am done trying to put square pegs in round holes at PG or young guys. Need a veteran and Collison is a damn good basketball player. So is Ricky Rubio - the Jazz are 50-31 - its not all Donovan Mitchell and Rudy Gobert. He must be doing something to help them in their offense

[Mjee]

The coin flip is tonight

[RunDogGun]

please no more Rubio talk that guy is so over rated on this board, he is a below average point guard and Rudy Gobert being 7"3 and going up and getting everything inflates his assists greatly. He cant hit the broad side of a barn.

Baddabing

Tell me someone.... exactly how much an improvement (if any) is Rubio over Tyler Johnson ??? It seems many here are still in denial that we now have a bonafide starting PG, under contract.... who has meshed well, assumed leadership, and flat out contributed significantly in giving the Suns what little life they displayed this past year.

Face it... PGs like Walker, Irving, Russell, Conley, Holiday.... they arent coming here. The FAs will gleefully pass, while the tradables will require too much (likely a mix of Johnson/Warren and certainly a Pick) in return. Russell might be enticed, but its going to be a chunky enticement.

The absolute most logical improvement at PG will be to draft Morant or Garland. But my sleeper is becoming Culver.... thats right Culver. Keep in mind the Booker PG experiment, IMO, is not over, and we still have Melton or Oko waiting in the wings.... (and dare I say a returning Crawford:-?) . But Culver very well could be the most solid player in this draft. Yeah yeah... he's another wing .... but considering our best wing (TJ) seems to be slated at PF or traded...and our worst (Jackson) well, isnt on my list of favorites. Culver, if he can play along side of Booker in the back court, would present a difficult two to match up for any team. He fits the physical make up... 6'6"-7", 7" wingspan, and apparently growing.....He can pass, play D and shoot. We could do worse... much worse.

If we dont get Morant...and Garland isnt the cup of tea.... who here wants to commit to 2-3 yrs of borderline back ups Collison, Joseph, McConnell, etc. We're set with TJohnson, no need to complicate things and truly, we need to focus more on getting a PF in here.


PS.... though I like Clarke, I suspect his wingspan is TRexish. We will have to wait and see. He may be ready to play, but not as our starter. We still have to line up a full-timer


and BTW...Mirotic's agent is Billy Duffy.

I was in the Rubio camp, and I don't think I over rated him(refering to the top quote). I just felt he would have a solid connection with Igor, and for me, having the point guard in line with the coach is super important. Tyler has a lot of work to do to be a starting point guard, and his reserve stats are actually better IMO. But all this talk depends on where we draft. We have to address one of the two spots of need with this draft. They don't have to start right away.

Ideally we trade for the other position of need, and then use the remaining money to get solid reserve vets, who can guild our young team and provide a much needed team chemistry.

[darmani]

3-point shooting is the single most important skill for a guard in today's NBA. The Suns were by far the worst 3-point shooting team in the league this year. We can't afford to have someone who doesn't shoot at least 37-38% form three starting alongside Booker next year.

[darmani]

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**** no! Dragic is on the brink of becoming an overpaid carcass.

2017: 20.3 pts, 5.8 ast, 57.5 TS%, 19.8 PER
2018: 17.3 pts, 4.8 ast, 54.3 TS%, 16.6 PER
2019: 13.7 pts, 4.8 ast, 51.7 TS%, 13.9 PER

He's 33 years old. The trajectory is very clear.

[BobbieL]

3-point shooting is the single most important skill for a guard in today's NBA. The Suns were by far the worst 3-point shooting team in the league this year. We can't afford to have someone who doesn't shoot at least 37-38% form three starting alongside Booker next year.

I think Collison shot 41% from "way downtown"

BWG had this guy on his radar a long time ago..... Rankin also just mentioned him.... see if Indy lets him leave the building though

[King4Day]

The coin flip is tonight

Have we ever won one? I don't think so right?

[Mjee]

The coin flip is tonight

Have we ever won one? I don't think so right?

tonight is the night brotha !!!!

[RunDogGun]

3-point shooting is the single most important skill for a guard in today's NBA. The Suns were by far the worst 3-point shooting team in the league this year. We can't afford to have someone who doesn't shoot at least 37-38% form three starting alongside Booker next year.

I think Collison shot 41% from "way downtown"

BWG had this guy on his radar a long time ago..... Rankin also just mentioned him.... see if Indy lets him leave the building though

That is the problem though. Indy knows what they have.

It is tough to look at three point shooting as just a percent. The ability to catch and shoot, as well as creating your own three point opportunity is important for a guard. If they have a great percentage from the corners, but terrible percentage from the freethrow extended to top of the key, well I feel that is better suited for a 3 or 4, not a 1 or 2.

We will have to see who works on their shot this summer. If Tyler works his butt off at three, he should be a decent starting point that we already have.

[King4Day]

The coin flip is tonight

Have we ever won one? I don't think so right?

tonight is the night brotha !!!!

All it'd mean is we pick 5th or 6th I think instead of 6th or 7th. Something like that.
If we don't land top 4, the pick is probably as good as gone anyway.

[RunDogGun]

Does it matter whether we are second or third? Aren't our percentages the same for the number one spot? So does it only affect the second round pick?

Edit: So it only affects the 5,6,and 7th odds.

[BobbieL]

Have we ever won one? I don't think so right?

tonight is the night brotha !!!!

All it'd mean is we pick 5th or 6th I think instead of 6th or 7th. Something like that.
If we don't land top 4, the pick is probably as good as gone anyway.

Hell - 2nd pick its probably gone

My scenario with getting the 2nd pick is finding a team willing to take TJ Warren and the 2nd pick for a pick later in the top 10 or 12 and a future first round draft choice. Pick up 15m of cap space or so. Not really sure the team based on this list that might want Morant and Warren (or Josh Jackson) - but think of that type of trade so that on July 1 - have the money ready to do something

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2019-nba-draft-order-and-tiebreakers-knicks-cavs-and-suns-lock-up-best-lottery-odds-bucks-pick-last-in-first-round/

[Kerrsed]

The coin flip is tonight

Have we ever won one? I don't think so right?

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[Crives]

The coin flip is tonight

Have we ever won one? I don't think so right?

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Should change the coin flip to 2k game, would be funny

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[Crives]

Draft lottery little more then 1 month away, can’t wait to know our fate

[BobbieL]

Draft lottery little more then 1 month away, can’t wait to know our fate

I think we all like making up trades and using the espn trade machines and what not - but until I see where the Suns draft and who is after them in the top 10-12 - will I really be able to go all "Bill Simmons Trade Machine" and create some whacky trade scenarios!!

[Crives]

Draft lottery little more then 1 month away, can’t wait to know our fate

I think we all like making up trades and using the espn trade machines and what not - but until I see where the Suns draft and who is after them in the top 10-12 - will I really be able to go all "Bill Simmons Trade Machine" and create some whacky trade scenarios!!

Just pretend we are #3 for now

[WeekapaugGroove]

Since they got lucky last year I just assume the suns will pick 5 or 6 this time.

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