'25-'26 Dynasty - dmastro, Miyagi, Burgs, 8on, 6 hour clock

[bigfoot]

Just a double check to see if we have an official opening (date/time) for Yahoo transactions (drop, add, move to IR, etc).

Also, what is the waiver priority order??

[sunskerr]

Just a double check to see if we have an official opening (date/time) for Yahoo transactions (drop, add, move to IR, etc).

Also, what is the waiver priority order??

youll be able to trade on yahoo and adjust your roster once the draft is over. players in the FA pool will be on waivers for 1 day though.

thanks for reminding me about waiver order which i need to set. it's the reverse order of last years standings.

[PerkinsFor3]

almost forgot to announce this: new draft tier system for 2025-2026 season (not this year). We will be doing this from now on so treat your year 2025-26 picks as such.

16. 1st place (champion)
15. 2nd place
14. 3rd place
13. 4th place
tier 4.(picks 10-12) 5th 6th 7th
tier 3 (picks 7-9) 8th 9th 10th
tier 2 (picks 4-6) 11th 12th 13th
tier 1 (picks 1-3) 14th 15th 16th

we'll see how it goes. It's not a big difference, but not having the top teams tiered is an objective improvement, since 1st place being able to move up 3 spots has been kind of crazy considering win-now players are available in these spots.

the 4 tiers of 3 teams, well, we'll see. I think its better since the last place team cannot fall to the 4th pick anymore, and the last place team upon reviewing the leagues history, has traditionally finished with quite a bit of distance.

The other system I thought about heavily was tying our lotto to the NBA draft lottery in real life. For example, the worst team in our league would be tied to the worst team in the NBA, 2nd worst in our league to 2nd worst in the NBA...etc., and so forth, and just have a 14 team lottery. Ultimately I shied away because it meant 1st could fall to 5th 50% of the time, which with our distribution of talent would be back breaking for the lowest ranked teams.

But on the other hand, it would have been really, really **** cool and Im so sad we're not doing that system. Anyway, about to do the keepers since some free time fell in my lap. Interested to hear what you guys think about the new system, or the system that would have tied us to the NBA lottery.

Also we'll be doing the rosters/keepers like we did this offseason again next year. I think having all that info available helped facilitate all these offseason deals instead of having the rosters kind of hidden away on yahoo.

Just for reference, in our20 team dynasty we use the following odds:

20th ranked 16%
19th ranked 15%
18th ranked 14%
17th ranked 13%
16th ranked 11%
15th ranked 9%
14th ranked 7%
13th ranked 6%
12th ranked 5%
11th ranked 4%

Rest is according to standings. It follows the actual NBA lottery odds pretty closely, but translate to our league size, I'd say. We also like that the odds discourage tanking a bit.

[PerkinsFor3]

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[PerkinsFor3]

Set my keepers. Good luck on the season everyone!

BEfore I announce my pick, I'd like to make sure Qwiggelz doesnt drop Devin Booker, Joel Embiid or Lauri Markkanen

[durden_tyler]

i know the commish/admins are still setting it up but can we have the draft order (after previous trades) also posted here so we're not jumping from sheet to this and we can strategize for the draft properly. Thanks.

[sunskerr]

almost forgot to announce this: new draft tier system for 2025-2026 season (not this year). We will be doing this from now on so treat your year 2025-26 picks as such.

16. 1st place (champion)
15. 2nd place
14. 3rd place
13. 4th place
tier 4.(picks 10-12) 5th 6th 7th
tier 3 (picks 7-9) 8th 9th 10th
tier 2 (picks 4-6) 11th 12th 13th
tier 1 (picks 1-3) 14th 15th 16th

we'll see how it goes. It's not a big difference, but not having the top teams tiered is an objective improvement, since 1st place being able to move up 3 spots has been kind of crazy considering win-now players are available in these spots.

the 4 tiers of 3 teams, well, we'll see. I think its better since the last place team cannot fall to the 4th pick anymore, and the last place team upon reviewing the leagues history, has traditionally finished with quite a bit of distance.

The other system I thought about heavily was tying our lotto to the NBA draft lottery in real life. For example, the worst team in our league would be tied to the worst team in the NBA, 2nd worst in our league to 2nd worst in the NBA...etc., and so forth, and just have a 14 team lottery. Ultimately I shied away because it meant 1st could fall to 5th 50% of the time, which with our distribution of talent would be back breaking for the lowest ranked teams.

But on the other hand, it would have been really, really **** cool and Im so sad we're not doing that system. Anyway, about to do the keepers since some free time fell in my lap. Interested to hear what you guys think about the new system, or the system that would have tied us to the NBA lottery.

Also we'll be doing the rosters/keepers like we did this offseason again next year. I think having all that info available helped facilitate all these offseason deals instead of having the rosters kind of hidden away on yahoo.

Just for reference, in our20 team dynasty we use the following odds:

20th ranked 16%
19th ranked 15%
18th ranked 14%
17th ranked 13%
16th ranked 11%
15th ranked 9%
14th ranked 7%
13th ranked 6%
12th ranked 5%
11th ranked 4%

Rest is according to standings. It follows the actual NBA lottery odds pretty closely, but translate to our league size, I'd say. We also like that the odds discourage tanking a bit.

What is the distribution of talent in your league? Since you have more teams in the league and thus the talent might be spread thinner, with more teams having low level guys, I assume it's easier for 1 key player to impact the fortunes of a bottom team.

This is sort of my logic for not wanting our lottery to have a way for the worst team to fall to #5, or even #4. Our league is more shallow with 16 teams, and to compete it seems like you need 6-7 sure fire guys with good, top 90-100 value and of those guys, a subset are gonna be top 36, and then maybe one or two top 12.

So if we had the bottom teams falling to pick 4 or 5 we're talking an insane amount of work for those bottom teams to reach those sort of benchmarks for competing.

I'm not even sure my own logic about this is correct or even if there's a mathematical basis for a significant difference between hypothetical players picked #3-#5. But I know for certain that the average #1 pick is statistically a very good player (by stats production it's the best pick) so at least given our distribution of talent it makes sense at some level for the most bottom teams to get that #1 pick.

[PerkinsFor3]

almost forgot to announce this: new draft tier system for 2025-2026 season (not this year). We will be doing this from now on so treat your year 2025-26 picks as such.

16. 1st place (champion)
15. 2nd place
14. 3rd place
13. 4th place
tier 4.(picks 10-12) 5th 6th 7th
tier 3 (picks 7-9) 8th 9th 10th
tier 2 (picks 4-6) 11th 12th 13th
tier 1 (picks 1-3) 14th 15th 16th

we'll see how it goes. It's not a big difference, but not having the top teams tiered is an objective improvement, since 1st place being able to move up 3 spots has been kind of crazy considering win-now players are available in these spots.

the 4 tiers of 3 teams, well, we'll see. I think its better since the last place team cannot fall to the 4th pick anymore, and the last place team upon reviewing the leagues history, has traditionally finished with quite a bit of distance.

The other system I thought about heavily was tying our lotto to the NBA draft lottery in real life. For example, the worst team in our league would be tied to the worst team in the NBA, 2nd worst in our league to 2nd worst in the NBA...etc., and so forth, and just have a 14 team lottery. Ultimately I shied away because it meant 1st could fall to 5th 50% of the time, which with our distribution of talent would be back breaking for the lowest ranked teams.

But on the other hand, it would have been really, really **** cool and Im so sad we're not doing that system. Anyway, about to do the keepers since some free time fell in my lap. Interested to hear what you guys think about the new system, or the system that would have tied us to the NBA lottery.

Also we'll be doing the rosters/keepers like we did this offseason again next year. I think having all that info available helped facilitate all these offseason deals instead of having the rosters kind of hidden away on yahoo.

Just for reference, in our20 team dynasty we use the following odds:

20th ranked 16%
19th ranked 15%
18th ranked 14%
17th ranked 13%
16th ranked 11%
15th ranked 9%
14th ranked 7%
13th ranked 6%
12th ranked 5%
11th ranked 4%

Rest is according to standings. It follows the actual NBA lottery odds pretty closely, but translate to our league size, I'd say. We also like that the odds discourage tanking a bit.

What is the distribution of talent in your league? Since you have more teams in the league and thus the talent might be spread thinner, with more teams having low level guys, I assume it's easier for 1 key player to impact the fortunes of a bottom team.

This is sort of my logic for not wanting our lottery to have a way for the worst team to fall to #5, or even #4. Our league is more shallow with 16 teams, and to compete it seems like you need 6-7 sure fire guys with good, top 90-100 value and of those guys, a subset are gonna be top 36, and then maybe one or two top 12.

So if we had the bottom teams falling to pick 4 or 5 we're talking an insane amount of work for those bottom teams to reach those sort of benchmarks for competing.

I'm not even sure my own logic about this is correct or even if there's a mathematical basis for a significant difference between hypothetical players picked #3-#5. But I know for certain that the average #1 pick is statistically a very good player (by stats production it's the best pick) so at least given our distribution of talent it makes sense at some level for the most bottom teams to get that #1 pick.

Good point. I think it's a bit skewed now, since quite a few teams are banking on the 25/26 drafts, and there's a clear divide between competing teams and 'tanking' ones (calling it tanking, but they're not actively tanking - we have rules/actions in place to fight that if needed). It's also somewhat skewed because I won the league three years in a row, and I did a soft rebuild over the summer, so there's a few teams now looking to step into that void. This is what Hashtag predcts it'll look like:

1 139
2 130
3 122
4 118
5 116
6 111
7 106
8 101
9 101
10 100
11 97
12 93
13 93
14 93
15 81
16 79
17 77
18 60
19 42
20 31

and what it looked like last year:

1. 151
2. 137
3. 129
4. 128.5
5. 123
6. 121
7. 120
8. 111
9. 107.5
10. 93
11. 90
12. 84
13. 82
14. 76
15. 75
16. 73
17. 66
18. 55
19. 40
20. 28

[sunskerr]

i know the commish/admins are still setting it up but can we have the draft order (after previous trades) also posted here so we're not jumping from sheet to this and we can strategize for the draft properly. Thanks.

Players that are drafted will be inserted into the draft order table on the spreadsheet.

You don't actually have to use the forum at all to draft in this league now that I think about it lol. Although everyone does announce their picks here because it makes things run better/more official when you announce who you draft.

Is that ok?

Also we're just waiting on wordsenuff/tastic to resolve the situation with the #40 pick. I assume its just a mistake and it's actually wordsenuff's but we'll see.

[sunskerr]

Good point. I think it's a bit skewed now, since quite a few teams are banking on the 25/26 drafts, and there's a clear divide between competing teams and 'tanking' ones (calling it tanking, but they're not actively tanking - we have rules/actions in place to fight that if needed). It's also somewhat skewed because I won the league three years in a row, and I did a soft rebuild over the summer, so there's a few teams now looking to step into that void. This is what Hashtag predcts it'll look like:

1 139
2 130
3 122
4 118
5 116
6 111
7 106
8 101
9 101
10 100
11 97
12 93
13 93
14 93
15 81
16 79
17 77
18 60
19 42
20 31

and what it looked like last year:

1. 151
2. 137
3. 129
4. 128.5
5. 123
6. 121
7. 120
8. 111
9. 107.5
10. 93
11. 90
12. 84
13. 82
14. 76
15. 75
16. 73
17. 66
18. 55
19. 40
20. 28

Is this standard 8 or 9 cat?

I suppose the distribution of points also might not directly reflect the distribution of talent, if we define talent as like whatever a rosterable player is in a 20 team league with a roster size of 12. As an approximation I guess it would be like 20*9=180, where the 9 is from 9 positions that get counted for stats. So like a top 180 player (its probably technically a lower number than 180 but whatever).

Like if your top teams just have more top 180 players than the bottom teams (and as a result the bottom teams have to be playing guys worse than 180), its a bit easier to see how a good draft pick can come in and change a bottom teams fortunes when he is replacing a player worse than 180, and he is much stronger relative to the average field of 180 rosterable players.

Whereas if we start to shrink either of the numbers in our formula (team size multiplied by number of starting positions), then we can see that it becomes harder for a drafted player to impact success, since he is going to replace (for example 12 teams * 9 starters = 108 rosterable players) higher ranked players and is less strong relative to the field of rosterable players.

On the flip side, we can apply this to the NBA where one good player can change the fortunes. 30 teams * 9 rotation players = 270 "rosterable" players. So I guess translated to the real world it kind of does make sense one guy can change a franchise - a talented draft pick is of course going to be very strong against most of those 270 guys. Probably not a great 1 to 1 translation but I feel like it kind of makes a little sense.

This is assuming the league isn't hyperpolarized with the absolute top players/stars concentrated heavily more towards the top few teams. And it doesn't really take into account the fact that dynasty teams value young players who are often not going to be "rosterable" technically with a ranking worse than 180, but can develop quickly.

[PerkinsFor3]

Good point. I think it's a bit skewed now, since quite a few teams are banking on the 25/26 drafts, and there's a clear divide between competing teams and 'tanking' ones (calling it tanking, but they're not actively tanking - we have rules/actions in place to fight that if needed). It's also somewhat skewed because I won the league three years in a row, and I did a soft rebuild over the summer, so there's a few teams now looking to step into that void. This is what Hashtag predcts it'll look like:

1 139
2 130
3 122
4 118
5 116
6 111
7 106
8 101
9 101
10 100
11 97
12 93
13 93
14 93
15 81
16 79
17 77
18 60
19 42
20 31

and what it looked like last year:

1. 151
2. 137
3. 129
4. 128.5
5. 123
6. 121
7. 120
8. 111
9. 107.5
10. 93
11. 90
12. 84
13. 82
14. 76
15. 75
16. 73
17. 66
18. 55
19. 40
20. 28

Is this standard 8 or 9 cat?

I suppose the distribution of points also might not directly reflect the distribution of talent, if we define talent as like whatever a rosterable player is in a 20 team league with a roster size of 12. As an approximation I guess it would be like 20*9=180, where the 9 is from 9 positions that get counted for stats. So like a top 180 player (its probably technically a lower number than 180 but whatever).

Like if your top teams just have more top 180 players than the bottom teams (and as a result the bottom teams have to be playing guys worse than 180), its a bit easier to see how a good draft pick can come in and change a bottom teams fortunes when he is replacing a player worse than 180, and he is much stronger relative to the average field of 180 rosterable players.

Whereas if we start to shrink either of the numbers in our formula (team size multiplied by number of starting positions), then we can see that it becomes harder for a drafted player to impact success, since he is going to replace (for example 12 teams * 9 starters = 108 rosterable players) higher ranked players and is less strong relative to the field of rosterable players.

On the flip side, we can apply this to the NBA where one good player can change the fortunes. 30 teams * 9 rotation players = 270 "rosterable" players. So I guess translated to the real world it kind of does make sense one guy can change a franchise - a talented draft pick is of course going to be very strong against most of those 270 guys. Probably not a great 1 to 1 translation but I feel like it kind of makes a little sense.

This is assuming the league isn't hyperpolarized with the absolute top players/stars concentrated heavily more towards the top few teams. And it doesn't really take into account the fact that dynasty teams value young players who are often not going to be "rosterable" technically with a ranking worse than 180, but can develop quickly.

9 cat, GGGFFFCUUUBBB positions, so 13. Three IL+ spots, so deep teams. To make it easier on myself, I tend to use 180 players for any sheets and reviews. In actuality, those top 180 lists feature some players who will not be sought after, and there's a whole bunch outside of the top 180 who are hot commodities in dynasty. Having said that, I do think you're overcomplicating things (something I love to do as well) - in dynasty it's so much about who people like as talents, who they like to follow, and to have on their teams, etc, that it's almost impossible to express in numbers and data what a draft should look like.

[PerkinsFor3]

i know the commish/admins are still setting it up but can we have the draft order (after previous trades) also posted here so we're not jumping from sheet to this and we can strategize for the draft properly. Thanks.

Also we're just waiting on wordsenuff/tastic to resolve the situation with the #40 pick. I assume its just a mistake and it's actually wordsenuff's but we'll see.

I assume I have to wait until that's cleared up before announcing my pick? I dont want to hold up any processes.

[sunskerr]

i know the commish/admins are still setting it up but can we have the draft order (after previous trades) also posted here so we're not jumping from sheet to this and we can strategize for the draft properly. Thanks.

Also we're just waiting on wordsenuff/tastic to resolve the situation with the #40 pick. I assume its just a mistake and it's actually wordsenuff's but we'll see.

I assume I have to wait until that's cleared up before announcing my pick? I dont want to hold up any processes.

Also I agree I am overthinking it a bit when getting down into the numbers but Im always trying to find consistent frameworks for why I make decisions in fantasy. But I also make decisions that make no sense whatsoever - me getting SGA was by all rights at the time a bad trade since I gave up Kyrie and De'Aaron Fox whilst SGA was injured, well before his breakout year. Sometimes you gotta get your favorites.

I just went back over every post this offseason and saw no trade featuring wordsenuff, and there were no trades listed on the spreadsheet or recorded on yahoo in the 23-24 season involving him.

You're good to start the draft. If anything happens its on me, but we're 99% ok.

[PerkinsFor3]

With pick 1.01 JoeKleineFor3 selects Reed Shepperd


Slim Charles on the clock.

[TASTIC]

No idea about the 40th pick - looks like a mistake so leave it with wordsenuff

[Book1Nation]

FYI on the spreadsheet draft tab, Dmastro32’s team is listed as Lillard Time, which is my team name. I’d change it but idk what his team name is.

Good start to the draft with Sheppard.

[Slim Charless]

Vive le roi, Alex Sarr!
Vive le Slim Charless!

[Terovibe]

Iam going to give king WEMBY his CASTLE!!

[bwgood77]

FYI on the spreadsheet draft tab, Dmastro32’s team is listed as Lillard Time, which is my team name. I’d change it but idk what his team name is.

Good start to the draft with Sheppard.

I think his is something like DBook in ur mouth or something like that.

[bwgood77]

Are you keeping a tally somewhere? Maybe put in first post? Or just updating in yahoo? Or both?