Trade Discussion

[bwgood77]

I hope Sabonis is available with the Wizz pick. That kid certainly knows how to play basketball.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRQa8630mkI[/youtube]

I would use the Cleveland pick to move up a few spots to get him, if I had to. He has the fire, he has the strength, he has the skills, he has the defense.

I used to be enamored by the idea of Sabonis, given his father's abilities, but I wish he had the ability to shoot from long range like Arvydas did. He is likely to be a smart player though, which would be refreshing for our team.

[Phnxsports]

I hope Sabonis is available with the Wizz pick. That kid certainly knows how to play basketball.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRQa8630mkI[/youtube]

I would use the Cleveland pick to move up a few spots to get him, if I had to. He has the fire, he has the strength, he has the skills, he has the defense.

I used to be enamored by the idea of Sabonis, given his father's abilities, but I wish he had the ability to shoot from long range like Arvydas did. He is likely to be a smart player though, which would be refreshing for our team.

He definitely has skill for a big man, but one thing that stands out to me on that video is he seems a bit soft at the rim. Would like to see him be a bit more aggressive.

[Amareca]

Lol
It is so predictable who Suns fans like. I suppose Sabonis and Zhou Qi will be this years Kaminsky.

Sabonis is not worth a lottery pick. He has the athleticism of Luis Scola and his stats are super inflated from a weak schedule.

Zhou Qi is too much of a mystery for the first round. Remember Yi Jianliang? He was 3 years older than NBA ppl thought.

Suns pick -> Simmons, Ingram, Brown, Bender
Wizards pick -> Rabb, Luwawu, Valentine, Zimmermann, Ellenson, Labissiere, Davis, Stone, Hield
Cavs pick -> Grayson Allen, Sabonis, Trimble
Suns 2nd -> Malik Newman, many others yet not known

[BobbieL]

Lol
It is so predictable who Suns fans like. I suppose Sabonis and Zhou Qi will be this years Kaminsky.

Sabonis is not worth a lottery pick. He has the athleticism of Luis Scola and his stats are super inflated from a weak schedule.

Zhou Qi is too much of a mystery for the first round. Remember Yi Jianliang? He was 3 years older than NBA ppl thought.

Suns pick -> Simmons, Ingram, Brown, Bender
Wizards pick -> Rabb, Luwawu, Valentine, Zimmermann, Ellenson, Labissiere, Davis, Stone, Hield
Cavs pick -> Grayson Allen, Sabonis, Trimble
Suns 2nd -> Malik Newman, many others yet not known

I don't know anybody but Simmons - any true 4's like say a Bosh in the group. I get Bosh was the fourth pick but maybe the Wiz pick

[oddity]

Best chance for the Suns is to trade for a star player and not try to sign one. Going after Durant seems like waste of time. And the rest of the free agent class sucks. It is really bad. http://hoopshype.com/2016/01/16/nba-free-agency-2016-the-top-players/ The only guy I like is Conley.

The reason that the cap space is so important though is because the Suns can absorb a max free agent in a trade without giving up anything other than picks. Let's hypothetically say the Suns get the 3rd or 4th pick in the draft and the Rockets want to trade Harden. The Suns could trade that pick and nothing else for Harden. I am not saying that trade is plausible, just giving an example. The trade would probably have to completed sometime after the draft though after the Suns get in order what their exact cap space availability is but the trade can be agreed upon on draft night.

I think with a core revolving around a teenager and two 22 year olds, our best bet is to take it slow and grow from within. Swinging for the fences is alright if you have a defined structure to keep your core players around, but the Suns don't have that. We have a very good backcourt, but little else right now. As much promise as Booker/TJ/Len/kindakinda Archie have shown, they're all not quite at the level where we could be competitive playing them significant minutes. We just fired our coach and need to go searching for someone else if Earl Watson doesn't fit the bill. Even worse, we have to compete with teams like the Celtics, who have an even better assortment of picks/young players that are expendable to them. For any of our possible all-star gambits, they could easily saunter on through and make a team an even better offer, without having to burn down the farm. I'm not the fondest of the tanking idea, but I think that we have no better option at this stage. A "win now" mentality will only wind up keeping us on that treadmill for longer.

[Saberestar]

Hypotetically....

Bledsoe/Knight
Booker/Goodwin
Warren/Tucker
Simmons or Ingram/Rabb or Sabonis
Len/Chandler

You can add Humphries ($4'5M) for depth and another rookie with the Cavs pick.
That would make a solid 12 man roster.

This is a decent young team with a ton of upside.
You can change some pieces ( I would try to trade Knight if it is possible, for example)...but the overall talent is good enough in my opinion.

The most important thing is to get lucky and receive a Top 2 pick in the lottery.

[NavLDO]

I got to give props to the posters in the Crow Eating thread on the Trade board (viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1428340#start_here).

As i said in another thread with posters eating crow:

I want to applaud the posters who have come back and admitted to eating their crow. We Suns fans have been blasted for saying that Morris would net us a 1st round pick and if he couldnt fetch that then we would just hold onto him. I truly am impressed with those admitting that they were wrong, just know there are hundreds more out there that dont have the gall/balls to admit they were wrong, so i applaud those that did.

Its the #1 Crow that people are eating. Also if you check out the Trade Deadline Win/Loss thread, most people have us (and Detroit) being the big winners of the day.

McD is McDoing it right!

OK, "Spinsters" out there, let's hear how McD 'screwed the pooch' again. I'm ready for another 'list' of McDoWrongs, and how he didn't play this right, like how he should have traded Morris earlier and would've gotten as much or more out of him, or how Kieff's presence this 1st 2/3 of the season has set this team 'back 3 years', or whatever other fabrication you'd like to make, because by all accounts, per other RealGMers and Media-Personalities, McD 'outperformed' expectations by getting two expirings (with both combined being overall cheaper, to boot!), and a potential 1st Rd Lottery Pick.

But of course, it was his fault that we were in this position to begin with, right? And while highly biased, this list of 'entities' that were 'disrespected' by the Morrii, provided by a popular Suns Blog is fairly accurate:

•an opposing player
•the referees
•their own coach
•the media
•(allegedly) a former mentor
•all the fans who paid less than a grand for their seat
•the Suns front office
•bandwagon fans
•the judge presiding over their case
•their entire Suns experience
•their agent
•the Suns front office, again
•the Suns fans, again
•Markieff's coaching staff... again
•his own "little brother"

And before I get accused of being a McD-homer, no, he wasn't blameless, and made several mistakes along the way, and reacted poorly to many of these issues, but the fact remains, the Morri caused a much higher number of infractions than McD did, and McD was forced to 'react' to the Morri issues. As soon as the Morri got paid, the situation just went down hill. So sure, we can blame McD for even signing the Morri at all, but let's face it, 99% of Suns fans thought we got a bargain with their signings, and we had almost zero indication that they would turn 'stupid' on us almost overnight.

No, McD screwed up the IT/Dragic situation, and made a poor trade at the deadline last year IRT the LAL pick-for-Knight, that counter-balanced the two good trades he made with 2-1sts for Dragic and a 1st for IT, yet he CAUSED those trades by signing IT to begin with, but, this year? He made out like a bandit. And for the 2nd year in a row, walked away with good draft picks for disgruntled assets, the difference being, THIS year, he wasn't at fault for the disgruntled player; KieffMo/CusMo brought this on by themselves, and are disgruntled because they didn't like how he responded to their idiocy.

McD CAN be blamed for mishandling Dragic (though it turned out great for us in the long run, but that's 'Hindsight's 20/20' at its best, and he can't claim credit for seeing the future 'woes' of Dragic's play); but, he CANNOT be blamed for mishandling the Morri. They, again, caused their misfortune; McD was just stuck having to 'clean up their mess'.

So, let's hear it! Love McD or Hate McD--neither extremes of the "McD Spectrum" can change the fact that McD walked away from this mess with respect from fans and media alike. But the funny thing is, at the end of the day, if one were to look ONLY at BoxScores in 30 years, it will likely look like McD lost on this deal, because I have little doubt that Kieff will do great things for the Wizards, and it wouldn't surprise me if he eventually gets a 3rd-Team All-NBA, or a couple of All-Star Game invites when Kieff's career is over; it's too bad he couldn't do it for us...

[SC923]

For the Wiz pick if its around 10-12 I hope we can snatch Hield if his value doesnt continue to rise. The way he has improved his game shows his dedication. Feel like he could be an instant contributor and then be a really solid sixth man assuming Book is our SG of the future.

[MathiasPW]

Lol
It is so predictable who Suns fans like. I suppose Sabonis and Zhou Qi will be this years Kaminsky.

Sabonis is not worth a lottery pick. He has the athleticism of Luis Scola and his stats are super inflated from a weak schedule.

Zhou Qi is too much of a mystery for the first round. Remember Yi Jianliang? He was 3 years older than NBA ppl thought.

Suns pick -> Simmons, Ingram, Brown, Bender
Wizards pick -> Rabb, Luwawu, Valentine, Zimmermann, Ellenson, Labissiere, Davis, Stone, Hield
Cavs pick -> Grayson Allen, Sabonis, Trimble
Suns 2nd -> Malik Newman, many others yet not known

I don't know anybody but Simmons - any true 4's like say a Bosh in the group. I get Bosh was the fourth pick but maybe the Wiz pick

Last year was more filled with the "modern" 4, as in one who can shoot from outside. Porzingis (4/5), Kaminsky (4/5), Miles Turner, Trey Lyles, Portis (somewhat) and Looney (although he fell a lot) all have some outside range. The ones available this year are either tweeners (Simmons, Ingram), highly uncertain (Bender, Skal, Rabb) or more traditional style, like Sabonis. I don't know much about Ellerson.

[dremill24]

I got to give props to the posters in the Crow Eating thread on the Trade board (viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1428340#start_here).

As i said in another thread with posters eating crow:

I want to applaud the posters who have come back and admitted to eating their crow. We Suns fans have been blasted for saying that Morris would net us a 1st round pick and if he couldnt fetch that then we would just hold onto him. I truly am impressed with those admitting that they were wrong, just know there are hundreds more out there that dont have the gall/balls to admit they were wrong, so i applaud those that did.

Its the #1 Crow that people are eating. Also if you check out the Trade Deadline Win/Loss thread, most people have us (and Detroit) being the big winners of the day.

McD is McDoing it right!

OK, "Spinsters" out there, let's hear how McD 'screwed the pooch' again. I'm ready for another 'list' of McDoWrongs, and how he didn't play this right, like how he should have traded Morris earlier and would've gotten as much or more out of him, or how Kieff's presence this 1st 2/3 of the season has set this team 'back 3 years', or whatever other fabrication you'd like to make, because by all accounts, per other RealGMers and Media-Personalities, McD 'outperformed' expectations by getting two expirings (with both combined being overall cheaper, to boot!), and a potential 1st Rd Lottery Pick.

But of course, it was his fault that we were in this position to begin with, right? And while highly biased, this list of 'entities' that were 'disrespected' by the Morrii, provided by a popular Suns Blog is fairly accurate:

•an opposing player
•the referees
•their own coach
•the media
•(allegedly) a former mentor
•all the fans who paid less than a grand for their seat
•the Suns front office
•bandwagon fans
•the judge presiding over their case
•their entire Suns experience
•their agent
•the Suns front office, again
•the Suns fans, again
•Markieff's coaching staff... again
•his own "little brother"

And before I get accused of being a McD-homer, no, he wasn't blameless, and made several mistakes along the way, and reacted poorly to many of these issues, but the fact remains, the Morri caused a much higher number of infractions than McD did, and McD was forced to 'react' to the Morri issues. As soon as the Morri got paid, the situation just went down hill. So sure, we can blame McD for even signing the Morri at all, but let's face it, 99% of Suns fans thought we got a bargain with their signings, and we had almost zero indication that they would turn 'stupid' on us almost overnight.

No, McD screwed up the IT/Dragic situation, and made a poor trade at the deadline last year IRT the LAL pick-for-Knight, that counter-balanced the two good trades he made with 2-1sts for Dragic and a 1st for IT, yet he CAUSED those trades by signing IT to begin with, but, this year? He made out like a bandit. And for the 2nd year in a row, walked away with good draft picks for disgruntled assets, the difference being, THIS year, he wasn't at fault for the disgruntled player; KieffMo/CusMo brought this on by themselves, and are disgruntled because they didn't like how he responded to their idiocy.

McD CAN be blamed for mishandling Dragic (though it turned out great for us in the long run, but that's 'Hindsight's 20/20' at its best, and he can't claim credit for seeing the future 'woes' of Dragic's play); but, he CANNOT be blamed for mishandling the Morri. They, again, caused their misfortune; McD was just stuck having to 'clean up their mess'.

So, let's hear it! Love McD or Hate McD--neither extremes of the "McD Spectrum" can change the fact that McD walked away from this mess with respect from fans and media alike. But the funny thing is, at the end of the day, if one were to look ONLY at BoxScores in 30 years, it will likely look like McD lost on this deal, because I have little doubt that Kieff will do great things for the Wizards, and it wouldn't surprise me if he eventually gets a 3rd-Team All-NBA, or a couple of All-Star Game invites when Kieff's career is over; it's too bad he couldn't do it for us...

So..a half dozen paragraphs to fish for a fight from someone?

[jcsunsfan]

I got to give props to the posters in the Crow Eating thread on the Trade board (viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1428340#start_here).

As i said in another thread with posters eating crow:

I want to applaud the posters who have come back and admitted to eating their crow. We Suns fans have been blasted for saying that Morris would net us a 1st round pick and if he couldnt fetch that then we would just hold onto him. I truly am impressed with those admitting that they were wrong, just know there are hundreds more out there that dont have the gall/balls to admit they were wrong, so i applaud those that did.

Its the #1 Crow that people are eating. Also if you check out the Trade Deadline Win/Loss thread, most people have us (and Detroit) being the big winners of the day.

McD is McDoing it right!

OK, "Spinsters" out there, let's hear how McD 'screwed the pooch' again. I'm ready for another 'list' of McDoWrongs, and how he didn't play this right, like how he should have traded Morris earlier and would've gotten as much or more out of him, or how Kieff's presence this 1st 2/3 of the season has set this team 'back 3 years', or whatever other fabrication you'd like to make, because by all accounts, per other RealGMers and Media-Personalities, McD 'outperformed' expectations by getting two expirings (with both combined being overall cheaper, to boot!), and a potential 1st Rd Lottery Pick.

But of course, it was his fault that we were in this position to begin with, right? And while highly biased, this list of 'entities' that were 'disrespected' by the Morrii, provided by a popular Suns Blog is fairly accurate:

•an opposing player
•the referees
•their own coach
•the media
•(allegedly) a former mentor
•all the fans who paid less than a grand for their seat
•the Suns front office
•bandwagon fans
•the judge presiding over their case
•their entire Suns experience
•their agent
•the Suns front office, again
•the Suns fans, again
•Markieff's coaching staff... again
•his own "little brother"

And before I get accused of being a McD-homer, no, he wasn't blameless, and made several mistakes along the way, and reacted poorly to many of these issues, but the fact remains, the Morri caused a much higher number of infractions than McD did, and McD was forced to 'react' to the Morri issues. As soon as the Morri got paid, the situation just went down hill. So sure, we can blame McD for even signing the Morri at all, but let's face it, 99% of Suns fans thought we got a bargain with their signings, and we had almost zero indication that they would turn 'stupid' on us almost overnight.

No, McD screwed up the IT/Dragic situation, and made a poor trade at the deadline last year IRT the LAL pick-for-Knight, that counter-balanced the two good trades he made with 2-1sts for Dragic and a 1st for IT, yet he CAUSED those trades by signing IT to begin with, but, this year? He made out like a bandit. And for the 2nd year in a row, walked away with good draft picks for disgruntled assets, the difference being, THIS year, he wasn't at fault for the disgruntled player; KieffMo/CusMo brought this on by themselves, and are disgruntled because they didn't like how he responded to their idiocy.

McD CAN be blamed for mishandling Dragic (though it turned out great for us in the long run, but that's 'Hindsight's 20/20' at its best, and he can't claim credit for seeing the future 'woes' of Dragic's play); but, he CANNOT be blamed for mishandling the Morri. They, again, caused their misfortune; McD was just stuck having to 'clean up their mess'.

So, let's hear it! Love McD or Hate McD--neither extremes of the "McD Spectrum" can change the fact that McD walked away from this mess with respect from fans and media alike. But the funny thing is, at the end of the day, if one were to look ONLY at BoxScores in 30 years, it will likely look like McD lost on this deal, because I have little doubt that Kieff will do great things for the Wizards, and it wouldn't surprise me if he eventually gets a 3rd-Team All-NBA, or a couple of All-Star Game invites when Kieff's career is over; it's too bad he couldn't do it for us...

And so are you!

[saintEscaton]

I got to give props to the posters in the Crow Eating thread on the Trade board (viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1428340#start_here).

As i said in another thread with posters eating crow:



Its the #1 Crow that people are eating. Also if you check out the Trade Deadline Win/Loss thread, most people have us (and Detroit) being the big winners of the day.

McD is McDoing it right!

OK, "Spinsters" out there, let's hear how McD 'screwed the pooch' again. I'm ready for another 'list' of McDoWrongs, and how he didn't play this right, like how he should have traded Morris earlier and would've gotten as much or more out of him, or how Kieff's presence this 1st 2/3 of the season has set this team 'back 3 years', or whatever other fabrication you'd like to make, because by all accounts, per other RealGMers and Media-Personalities, McD 'outperformed' expectations by getting two expirings (with both combined being overall cheaper, to boot!), and a potential 1st Rd Lottery Pick.

But of course, it was his fault that we were in this position to begin with, right? And while highly biased, this list of 'entities' that were 'disrespected' by the Morrii, provided by a popular Suns Blog is fairly accurate:

•an opposing player
•the referees
•their own coach
•the media
•(allegedly) a former mentor
•all the fans who paid less than a grand for their seat
•the Suns front office
•bandwagon fans
•the judge presiding over their case
•their entire Suns experience
•their agent
•the Suns front office, again
•the Suns fans, again
•Markieff's coaching staff... again
•his own "little brother"

And before I get accused of being a McD-homer, no, he wasn't blameless, and made several mistakes along the way, and reacted poorly to many of these issues, but the fact remains, the Morri caused a much higher number of infractions than McD did, and McD was forced to 'react' to the Morri issues. As soon as the Morri got paid, the situation just went down hill. So sure, we can blame McD for even signing the Morri at all, but let's face it, 99% of Suns fans thought we got a bargain with their signings, and we had almost zero indication that they would turn 'stupid' on us almost overnight.

No, McD screwed up the IT/Dragic situation, and made a poor trade at the deadline last year IRT the LAL pick-for-Knight, that counter-balanced the two good trades he made with 2-1sts for Dragic and a 1st for IT, yet he CAUSED those trades by signing IT to begin with, but, this year? He made out like a bandit. And for the 2nd year in a row, walked away with good draft picks for disgruntled assets, the difference being, THIS year, he wasn't at fault for the disgruntled player; KieffMo/CusMo brought this on by themselves, and are disgruntled because they didn't like how he responded to their idiocy.

McD CAN be blamed for mishandling Dragic (though it turned out great for us in the long run, but that's 'Hindsight's 20/20' at its best, and he can't claim credit for seeing the future 'woes' of Dragic's play); but, he CANNOT be blamed for mishandling the Morri. They, again, caused their misfortune; McD was just stuck having to 'clean up their mess'.

So, let's hear it! Love McD or Hate McD--neither extremes of the "McD Spectrum" can change the fact that McD walked away from this mess with respect from fans and media alike. But the funny thing is, at the end of the day, if one were to look ONLY at BoxScores in 30 years, it will likely look like McD lost on this deal, because I have little doubt that Kieff will do great things for the Wizards, and it wouldn't surprise me if he eventually gets a 3rd-Team All-NBA, or a couple of All-Star Game invites when Kieff's career is over; it's too bad he couldn't do it for us...

So..a half dozen paragraphs to fish for a fight from someone?

Commendable effort. Here have some applause

[King4Day]

Assuming the pick conveys, I am sure we'll try to move up to the 2 or 1 by combining 2 or all 3 picks we have.
That's assuming we don't get it.

Do we use the latter pick for a draft and stash now?
I would def want to get a couple young guys to develop between those.

This class is turrible , its Ingram/Simmons or bust without much depth. No team is gunna trade out of the Top 2 for a late lotto/late 20s pick.

I should have been clear. I don't see any team trading the 1 or 2 but I'm sure we're going to try.

[rsavaj]

For every "terrible" draft, there are always good finds in the mid to late 1st round. 2013's top 10 was pretty uninspiring but the Bucks found Giannis, and the Jazz found Gobert.

We have to hope that McDonough can find another Warren or Booker in the 10-14 range. His one bad pick so far has been Tyler Ennis, who has been absolutely useless.

[Saberestar]

For every "terrible" draft, there are always good finds in the mid to late 1st round. 2013's top 10 was pretty uninspiring but the Bucks found Giannis, and the Jazz found Gobert.

We have to hope that McDonough can find another Warren or Booker in the 10-14 range. His one bad pick so far has been Tyler Ennis, who has been absolutely useless.

I agree.
Grades for McDonough's picks:

Len #5 - B
Goodwin #29 - B+
Warren #14 - A
Ennis #18 - D
Bogdanovic #27 - ?
Booker #13 - A+

I trust him in the draft.

[phnart]

What happens if Washington retains the pick this year?

[phnart]

Double post....no patience today.

[TheFire]

It will carry over to next year and still be 1-9 protected all the way until 2021.

[Bogyo]

I read somewhere that it stays the same (1-9 protected) til 2021, although Im not 100 sure about that.
But I m sure it does stay the same next yr.

[Bogyo]

For every "terrible" draft, there are always good finds in the mid to late 1st round. 2013's top 10 was pretty uninspiring but the Bucks found Giannis, and the Jazz found Gobert.

We have to hope that McDonough can find another Warren or Booker in the 10-14 range. His one bad pick so far has been Tyler Ennis, who has been absolutely useless.

Yup. There are no bad drafts. Only bad drafters. And while I m not all happy with McD, I'll give this to him - he has been good at drafting.