The Trade Thread: All Eyes Toward The Offseason

[Saberestar]

#4, #28, Miami 2018 pick, Knight and Goodwin for Butler.

[Walt_Uoob]

As an alternative to trading for Butler and trying to sign Horford, maybe we could trade for Derrick Favors and try to sign Batum? Utah needs a PG and there were already rumors about them shopping Favors, though the rumor was they were looking for a stretch-four which we don't really have to offer.

[gaspar]

Whiteside is also available as a FA this year. Who knows what Miami is planning on doing this season with questions about Bosh and Wade being another year older and a FA as well.

Whiteside could rebound and defend (block shots) just as good as Howard, but surprisingly Miami was better on defense with Whiteside ON THE BENCH.

Weird.

But still, if we lose Len in a Butler trade, Whiteside could be a fee-sable option for us.

I'd prefer Biyombo or even Ezeli. I don't trust Whiteside. Whiteside with a fat contract = very strong Sanders/Bynum potential, IMO.

[Jarlaxle0204]

Knight, #4, Len and MIA '18 is the offer I make. See if another team can beat it. Take Sabonis at #13. Under no circumstance do I include Warren in the deal.

If it has to be one of either Warren or Len I would much prefer to trade Warren, especially seeing as Butler would probably be the starting SF with Tucker playing backup. I'd prefer not to get rid of either of them. I'd trade any of Knight, Goodwin, Tucker, Chandler, and any and all of our draft picks besides the unprotected Miami pick in 2021 or whenever that is.

[Walt_Uoob]

I also wonder what it would take to get one of the PFs we liked from last year's draft, like Portis or Lyles.

Knight & #28 for Lyles and #12?

[TeamTragic]

Knight, #4, Len and MIA '18 is the offer I make. See if another team can beat it. Take Sabonis at #13. Under no circumstance do I include Warren in the deal.

If it has to be one of either Warren or Len I would much prefer to trade Warren, especially seeing as Butler would probably be the starting SF with Tucker playing backup. I'd prefer not to get rid of either of them. I'd trade any of Knight, Goodwin, Tucker, Chandler, and any and all of our draft picks besides the unprotected Miami pick in 2021 or whenever that is.

#4
Knight
Len (former #4)
Goodwin
Miami 2018 (1st)
Phoenix 2018 (2nd)

No way we give up on Warren. Did you just mention Tucker as a deciding factor?

[carey]

I also wonder what it would take to get one of the PFs we liked from last year's draft, like Portis or Lyles.

Knight & #28 for Lyles and #12?

I like that rumored Kings deal. Knight & #13 for Gay & #8. Take Murray and the PF of your choice at 8. Gay can play small ball 4 with a pretty devastating lineup including Warren slashing & Booker and Murray dropping 3's. Gay has been very good in Sacramento. We would still have money to flesh out the roster.

[Kerrsed]

I also wonder what it would take to get one of the PFs we liked from last year's draft, like Portis or Lyles.

Knight & #28 for Lyles and #12?

I like that rumored Kings deal. Knight & #13 for Gay & #8. Take Murray and the PF of your choice at 8. Gay can play small ball 4 with a pretty devastating lineup including Warren slashing & Booker and Murray dropping 3's. Gay has been very good in Sacramento. We would still have money to flesh out the roster.

You cant post a Rudy Gay trade without including this video (Its in the RealGM rules somewhere):

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WK7lIjFsGvg[/youtube]

[8on]

the idea that we're going to be able to run with Okafor?

can we please give Bledsoe and Knight at least one season where they're both 100% for at least 70 games?

Jahlil Okafor does not a defensive center (or modern NBA 4) make. i actually thought he was going to be better than Towns, although i was dead wrong. (at least for this year, although maybe not in the future. Pervis Ellison's rookie year was legit.)

that said, Okafor is a horrible fit for the roster we have.

also, i don't think Philly should be remotely interested in a backcourt of Knight and Dunn. that's a worse version of what we have.....BC's probably going to be super careful in this draft. (say thank you to Hinkie, Philly fans, and say hello to Bryan "Win Now" Colangelo. and good luck.)

[Walt_Uoob]

I also wonder what it would take to get one of the PFs we liked from last year's draft, like Portis or Lyles.

Knight & #28 for Lyles and #12?

I like that rumored Kings deal. Knight & #13 for Gay & #8. Take Murray and the PF of your choice at 8. Gay can play small ball 4 with a pretty devastating lineup including Warren slashing & Booker and Murray dropping 3's. Gay has been very good in Sacramento. We would still have money to flesh out the roster.

I like the sound of that too. People hate on Gay but my understanding is he's gotten wiser with age. He only has one more guaranteed year on his deal and then a player option. He'll probably opt out to get one more long-term deal under the new cap. That part scares me.

Edit: yeah, the more I think about it, I don't see the point of trading Knight for one year of Gay when it's not like we're going to be contenders next year. Might as well just wait and sign Gay as a FA next summer if we do in fact like him. Knight's deal is just going to get more and more valuable the next couple of years, which I think was a huge part of the reason we traded for him in the first place, to get him locked up before the cap started rising. Probably best to just hold on to him for now unless it's in that Butler trade or something similar.

[Walt_Uoob]

I also wonder what it would take to get one of the PFs we liked from last year's draft, like Portis or Lyles.

Knight & #28 for Lyles and #12?

I like that rumored Kings deal. Knight & #13 for Gay & #8. Take Murray and the PF of your choice at 8. Gay can play small ball 4 with a pretty devastating lineup including Warren slashing & Booker and Murray dropping 3's. Gay has been very good in Sacramento. We would still have money to flesh out the roster.

I like the sound of that too. People hate on Gay but my understanding is he's gotten wiser with age. He only has one more guaranteed year on his deal and then a player option. He'll probably opt out to get one more long-term deal under the new cap. That part scares me.

Also, was it you who mentioned Thaddeus Young a while back? That deal made a lot of sense to me. Was it #13 and #34 for Young or something like that?

[alphagorilla]

check this out:
#4, #28, Mia 17, Warren, Len, Goodwin for Butler and Mirotic

Knight, 2nd round pick for Okafor and Carl Landry

draft a PF at #13 (I'm OK adding this also to Butler deal and resign Mirza)

offer Jordan Clarkson good contract and hope LA wont match(unlikely). He can play the 6th man role next to booker or bledsoe.

Bledsoe/Clarkson
Booker/bogdan
Butler/PJ
Mirotic/#13
Chandler/Okafor

Serious young talent right here. watch out west (drop the mic)

[Walt_Uoob]

I'm on a trade/draft pipe dream obsession today...

Why not Knight to the Wolves for Pekovic and #5? They need a backup PG and have a new exec/coach in Thibs who prefers vets, plus they're ready to take that next step into the playoffs anyway and don't need another rookie. Pekovic is dead weight but might come off the books for medical retirement.

And then we also trade Bledsoe to the Knicks for Calderon, O'Quinn, their 2018 pick, and one more pick (either their 2020 pick or the right to swap in 2019). Knicks do this to take advantage of Melo's window and reunite Bledsoe and Hornacek. Bledsoe-Afflalo-Melo-KP-RoLo is pretty strong. We do it for the future picks / trade chips and...

At 4 and 5 we just go ahead and draft both Hield and Murray (or Dunn at one of those spots if the FO prefers). Calderon can stick around for a year as a crafty pass-first vet mentor, but our backcourt of the future becomes Booker/Murray/Hield/Goodwin.

Of course, Chandler and Tucker won't like that but will be professionals about it, so we start the season with them and then find trades to send them to more competitive teams for young talent / draft picks.

We end up with:

Murray (5) / Goodwin
Booker / Hield (4)
Warren / Luwawu? (13)
O'Quinn / A big fat gaping hole at PF still
Len / Maker (28)?

Plus a stash at #34, all our own picks going forward (including our 2017 pick which would likely be very high in this scenario), three more picks coming in 2018 (ours, MIA, NYK), one more future pick from each of MIA and NYK, and whatever we can get for Chandler and Tucker. And a **** of cap space. We can use those picks and space to chase stars in 2017.

Hellifiknow.

[lilfishi22]

Whiteside is also available as a FA this year. Who knows what Miami is planning on doing this season with questions about Bosh and Wade being another year older and a FA as well.

Whiteside could rebound and defend (block shots) just as good as Howard, but surprisingly Miami was better on defense with Whiteside ON THE BENCH.

Weird.

But still, if we lose Len in a Butler trade, Whiteside could be a fee-sable option for us.

I'd prefer Biyombo or even Ezeli. I don't trust Whiteside. Whiteside with a fat contract = very strong Sanders/Bynum potential, IMO.

I'd still prefer the guy with star potential (Whiteside) even with all the potential issues but I do take your point.

[AtheJ415]

check this out:
#4, #28, Mia 17, Warren, Len, Goodwin for Butler and Mirotic

Knight, 2nd round pick for Okafor and Carl Landry

draft a PF at #13 (I'm OK adding this also to Butler deal and resign Mirza)

offer Jordan Clarkson good contract and hope LA wont match(unlikely). He can play the 6th man role next to booker or bledsoe.

Bledsoe/Clarkson
Booker/bogdan
Butler/PJ
Mirotic/#13
Chandler/Okafor

Serious young talent right here. watch out west (drop the mic)

I hate that first trade so very freaking much. Mirotic is beyond overrated.

[rsavaj]

check this out:
#4, #28, Mia 17, Warren, Len, Goodwin for Butler and Mirotic

Knight, 2nd round pick for Okafor and Carl Landry

draft a PF at #13 (I'm OK adding this also to Butler deal and resign Mirza)

offer Jordan Clarkson good contract and hope LA wont match(unlikely). He can play the 6th man role next to booker or bledsoe.

Bledsoe/Clarkson
Booker/bogdan
Butler/PJ
Mirotic/#13
Chandler/Okafor

Serious young talent right here. watch out west (drop the mic)

I hate that first trade so very freaking much. Mirotic is beyond overrated.

I hated it too until I saw that it was for Mirotic AND Butler.

[bwgood77]

Knight, #4, Len and MIA '18 is the offer I make. See if another team can beat it. Take Sabonis at #13. Under no circumstance do I include Warren in the deal.

If it has to be one of either Warren or Len I would much prefer to trade Warren, especially seeing as Butler would probably be the starting SF with Tucker playing backup. I'd prefer not to get rid of either of them. I'd trade any of Knight, Goodwin, Tucker, Chandler, and any and all of our draft picks besides the unprotected Miami pick in 2021 or whenever that is.

#4
Knight
Len (former #4)
Goodwin
Miami 2018 (1st)
Phoenix 2018 (2nd)

No way we give up on Warren. Did you just mention Tucker as a deciding factor?

No, he did not.

[bwgood77]

Whiteside is also available as a FA this year. Who knows what Miami is planning on doing this season with questions about Bosh and Wade being another year older and a FA as well.

Whiteside could rebound and defend (block shots) just as good as Howard, but surprisingly Miami was better on defense with Whiteside ON THE BENCH.

Weird.

But still, if we lose Len in a Butler trade, Whiteside could be a fee-sable option for us.

I'd prefer Biyombo or even Ezeli. I don't trust Whiteside. Whiteside with a fat contract = very strong Sanders/Bynum potential, IMO.

They are at least realistic too. Every single forum says they need to sign Whiteside and then promptly inserts them in future lineup. I don't think McD is really going to go after a center in free agency anyway, unless we are able to move others first, which is improbable. Trades are more likely to happen after people see who committed where...at least the big names.

[Weemsickew14]

Trade for Butler without giving up 13th, Len or Warren. At 13, draft Deyonta Davis and with our late picks take the bpa.
Bledsoe/Price
Booker/Bogdan
Butler/Warren
Warren/Mirza/Davis
Chandler/Len
Fill out the lineup with free agents and that could be an amazing team. That starting lineup looks amazing.

[Qwigglez]

Trade for Butler without giving up 13th, Len or Warren. At 13, draft Deyonta Davis and with our late picks take the bpa.
Bledsoe/Price
Booker/Bogdan
Butler/Warren
Warren/Mirza/Davis
Chandler/Len
Fill out the lineup with free agents and that could be an amazing team. That starting lineup looks amazing.

I'd be fine with trading Warren along with Knight and No 4 for Butler. Gotta give up some talent to get some back. We'd still have a dynamite team, and we would be able to get some top tier free agents as well. Best of all we'd have our core guys locked, be fighting for a good playoff spot (at least 4-7 seed), and our team would still be developing.
I don't think Davis will last til 13 though, I think he could be one of those big guys coming out of college that grows massively (like Andre Drummond).