The Trade/Free Agency Thread: All Eyes Toward The Offseason 2

[letsgosuns]

Do people not realize that Hayward is like one of the top 5 defensive SF's?

Seriously there is nothing anyone can say to me that will get me to like Hayward. I have watched him for years since he came into the league. I flat out do not like the way he plays basketball. I do not like his game. And I think he is an overrated defender. Idk whether my feelings are rational and warranted but I have never liked him.

[Mulhollanddrive]

Hayward's O-Rating is about 10 points better than Knight as it takes into account turnovers and FTs.

Jazz are also a defensive team without many other great shooters, add another few % if he was on an offense based team like ours.

I have seen him go on long cold streaks though like Knight, so there might be something to that.

But I don't see why they trade him for a leftover and a risky pick.

[bwgood77]

Isn't Hayward an UFA next summer if he declines player option? I wouldn't give up assets for him. He will surely sign with Brad Stevens in Boston if he doesn't stay with the Jazz. I wouldn't trade picks and a bunch of players for him for a year of him. I really like him too.

[Mulhollanddrive]

Ford / Gambo mentioned the young vet type teams are chasing, so seems like Hayward is an example of that.

GMs might figure picks 3-8 best case scenario isn't much better than a Hayward type, so they could just guarantee it.

[dremill24]

Give me Hood all day

[saintEscaton]

Gordon Hayward: 19.7 ppg, 3.7 apg, 5.0 rpg, 43.3% fg, 34.9% 3pts, 36.2 mpg, 26 years old

Brandon Knight: 19.6 ppg, 5.1 apg, 3.9 rpg, 41.5% fg, 34.2% 3pts, 36.0 mpg, 24 years old

Hayward is seriously just like Knight but at the small forward position. A streaky scorer that either plays really well or terrible. I would much rather draft a small forward, trade for a different player, or sign someone else instead of trade for Hayward.

Have you never watched the Jazz or are you just oblivious to ABRmetrics? Not sure if serious...

Hayward is far better than Knight, but I still do not like Hayward. At all. If he was a free agent, I would understand if the Suns went after him. But I have no desire to trade good assets for him. He is not close to a game changing player. People rave about all the talent on the Jazz yet they have not even made the playoffs for four years. They have finished below .500 three years straight. This was the perfect year for them to slip into the playoffs as the eighth seed and they failed. Hayward played 80 games this year. He scored at least 30 points only three times. Booker did more than that. Booker was a rookie and this was Hayward's sixth year. I do not understand people's fascination with him.

Booker virtually had no positive impact beyond the eye test looking more poised and cerebral than Knight. He was given the green light to fire away at will and didn't have to play both ends or within a system. Even when he went off for 30+ he would register negative plus/minuses , he wouldn't be getting those minutes or even crack the rotation any team trying to compete. Case in point Hezonja getting benched by the stickler Skiles. Sure he achieved some aggregate scoring milestones with increased usage that puts him with historic company, but Tyreke Evans had a better rookie camapaign and he wasn't a juggernaut like Kyrie who actually was a Top 10 PG right ff the bat, KAT basically improved the Twolves record by 13 wins himself. Hayward has limitation sure but he is multifaceted tw way player can be a legit #2 option on a contender, Butler is clearly superior agreed and locked up for mroe than a year

[Fo-Real]

Do not want to give up two high picks for Hayward, would rather use the picks and let Warren have his turn.

[letsgosuns]

We have all been talking about trading for Butler for a while now. Hayward and Butler are both 26 years old small forwards. Let's just compare some statistics.

Butler: All-Defensive second team 2014, 2015, and 2016, and 2015 most improved player
Hayward: 0 accolades

Butler played 67 games this past season. He scored 25 or more points 20 times. So 30% of his games he is scoring at least 25 points. That includes a 53 point game, 43 point game, and 42 point game.

Hayward played 80 games this past season. He scored 25 points or more 13 times. So 16% of his games he is scoring at least 25 points. That includes a 36 point game, 34 point game, and 33 point game.

There is no doubt in my mind who is the better player and I am not basing my decision only because of statistics. Butler by far. Any team that chooses to go after Hayward instead of Butler is taking a gigantic step down.

[NBA Fiend]

I know we as Suns fan frequent this site

http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2016/6/21/11998324/stein-phoenix-suns-have-offered-4-13-for-utahs-gordon-hayward

So let me get this straight the Suns offered 4/13 and would have to included Knight for salary matching purposes. And the grand salami is Hayward/Amir Johnson?
Hayward has one year left on his contract, so the Suns would get the honor of paying him a max contract next year
The only thing that makes sense is that McD is letting it be known to the entire free world that Knight 4/13 is a package that can be had. I shall now post this trade on the trade board. May the gods smile and show great favor upon the Suns organization during the NBA draft throughout the free agent period.

[rsavaj]

We have all been talking about trading for Butler for a while now. Hayward and Butler are both 26 years old small forwards. Let's just compare some statistics.

Butler: All-Defensive second team 2014, 2015, and 2016, and 2015 most improved player
Hayward: 0 accolades

Butler played 67 games this past season. He scored 25 or more points 20 times. So 30% of his games he is scoring at least 25 points. That includes a 53 point game, 43 point game, and 42 point game.

Hayward played 80 games this past season. He scored 25 points or more 13 times. So 16% of his games he is scoring at least 25 points. That includes a 36 point game, 34 point game, and 33 point game.

There is no doubt in my mind who is the better player and I am not basing my decision only because of statistics. Butler by far. Any team that chooses to go after Hayward instead of Butler is taking a gigantic step down.

I think it's odd to assume that a team is "choosing" Hayward over Butler; perhaps the Bulls don't want to trade Butler, hmm?

[saintEscaton]

Favors would be awesome but he is a paint clogger to many on this board because he isn't a soft Stretch 4

[letsgosuns]

We have all been talking about trading for Butler for a while now. Hayward and Butler are both 26 years old small forwards. Let's just compare some statistics.

Butler: All-Defensive second team 2014, 2015, and 2016, and 2015 most improved player
Hayward: 0 accolades

Butler played 67 games this past season. He scored 25 or more points 20 times. So 30% of his games he is scoring at least 25 points. That includes a 53 point game, 43 point game, and 42 point game.

Hayward played 80 games this past season. He scored 25 points or more 13 times. So 16% of his games he is scoring at least 25 points. That includes a 36 point game, 34 point game, and 33 point game.

There is no doubt in my mind who is the better player and I am not basing my decision only because of statistics. Butler by far. Any team that chooses to go after Hayward instead of Butler is taking a gigantic step down.

I think it's odd to assume that a team is "choosing" Hayward over Butler; perhaps the Bulls don't want to trade Butler, hmm?

No I get it. It is just that we have heard so much talk about Butler. Hayward imo is a couple tiers down from him and if the Suns are going to make a trade I would prefer it be for Butler.

[Cactus Jack]

Favors would be awesome but he is a paint clogger to many on this board because he isn't a soft Stretch 4

This. They need to go after Favors instead.

[letsgosuns]

I do not understand this tweet:

Dave King ‏@DaveKingNBA 1h1 hour ago
Stein: Phoenix Suns have offered 4/13 for Utah's Gordon Hayward

That is not what the article said. This is what the article said: "Sources say the Celtics are one of just a number of teams trying to convince Utah to surrender Hayward -- Phoenix, which holds two lottery picks (No. 4 and 13) in Thursday's draft, is another -- but the Jazz have been telling interested teams that he is not available." All it says is the Suns are one of the teams trying to convince Utah to surrender Hayward. It mentions the Suns have two lottery picks. It never says what the Suns actually offered.

[Cactus Jack]

I do not understand this tweet:

Dave King ‏@DaveKingNBA 1h1 hour ago
Stein: Phoenix Suns have offered 4/13 for Utah's Gordon Hayward

That is not what the article said. This is what the article said: "Sources say the Celtics are one of just a number of teams trying to convince Utah to surrender Hayward -- Phoenix, which holds two lottery picks (No. 4 and 13) in Thursday's draft, is another -- but the Jazz have been telling interested teams that he is not available." All it says is the Suns are one of the teams trying to convince Utah to surrender Hayward. It mentions the Suns have two lottery picks. It never says what the Suns actually offered.

My guess is they offered one of the picks. Not both. Or bledsoe/Knight straight up. Which would be dumb cuz Hayward can opt out next year.

[bwgood77]

We have all been talking about trading for Butler for a while now. Hayward and Butler are both 26 years old small forwards. Let's just compare some statistics.

Butler: All-Defensive second team 2014, 2015, and 2016, and 2015 most improved player
Hayward: 0 accolades

Butler played 67 games this past season. He scored 25 or more points 20 times. So 30% of his games he is scoring at least 25 points. That includes a 53 point game, 43 point game, and 42 point game.

Hayward played 80 games this past season. He scored 25 points or more 13 times. So 16% of his games he is scoring at least 25 points. That includes a 36 point game, 34 point game, and 33 point game.

There is no doubt in my mind who is the better player and I am not basing my decision only because of statistics. Butler by far. Any team that chooses to go after Hayward instead of Butler is taking a gigantic step down.

We all like Butler but I don't think we have the assets to get him. I don't think the 4, 13, Knight and Len is enough. Thibs wants defense. He can offer better, though Chicago FO probably doesn't want to deal with him.

[thamadkant]

Give me Hood all day

Rodney Hood is pretty much Stephen Jackson v2.0.. which is terrific.

Hayward is more skilled... if his shot is off... he can contribute by play making, defense and overall high IQ plays.

[SideSwipe]

I know we as Suns fan frequent this site

http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2016/6/21/11998324/stein-phoenix-suns-have-offered-4-13-for-utahs-gordon-hayward

So let me get this straight the Suns offered 4/13 and would have to included Knight for salary matching purposes. And the grand salami is Hayward/Amir Johnson?
Hayward has one year left on his contract, so the Suns would get the honor of paying him a max contract next year
The only thing that makes sense is that McD is letting it be known to the entire free world that Knight 4/13 is a package that can be had. I shall now post this trade on the trade board. May the gods smile and show great favor upon the Suns organization during the NBA draft throughout the free agent period.

The article is misrepresenting Steins quote and is making very big assumptions that are not based on what was put out by Stein...FYI.

[DRK]

Do not want to give up two high picks for Hayward, would rather use the picks and let Warren have his turn.

This.

[gaspar]

I do not understand this tweet:

Dave King ‏@DaveKingNBA 1h1 hour ago
Stein: Phoenix Suns have offered 4/13 for Utah's Gordon Hayward

That is not what the article said. This is what the article said: "Sources say the Celtics are one of just a number of teams trying to convince Utah to surrender Hayward -- Phoenix, which holds two lottery picks (No. 4 and 13) in Thursday's draft, is another -- but the Jazz have been telling interested teams that he is not available." All it says is the Suns are one of the teams trying to convince Utah to surrender Hayward. It mentions the Suns have two lottery picks. It never says what the Suns actually offered.

Dave King sensationalizing as always.