The Official 2025 Offseason Thread #4 Free Agency Opens!

[BobbieL]

Now Siegel is reporting the Suns and Kuminga but the Warriors don't want Allen (makes sense - they have a few SGs on the roster). Royce and Richards for Kuminga -- Warriors could use depth at Center

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So if the Suns make another trade can we officially stamp Gambo as a fraud. Per his own words, Suns are done making trades.

So the Suns have Dunn and Brooks - I guess Brooks can play the 4
but wouldn't Kuminga be duplicative
Granted for Royce and Richards - and maybe a 2+1 contract - not the worst

[sunsbum]

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I tried to not get messy with the Brad Beal divorce but after that tweet I hope he stays permanently injured. Well, he’s already permanently injured. So I guess have a nice rest of your career.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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[TeamTragic]

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Just let Beal tie his shoe laces during the game! Let him be himself!

[Ghost of Kleine]

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[Saberestar]

My guess this would be Allen, Royce or Richards The Suns don't have much else to trade unless they include Dunn or Oso. I think I am keeping Dunn over Kuminga Not sure the Warriors accept this trade but they have like 10 players on their roster.

Allen Royce and Oso?

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Kuminga would be an amazing acquisition if the price is right.

It's a long shot because we don't have too many good pieces for a sign&trade with the Warriors.

Allen + Royce + 3 2nds for Kuminga ($100M/4 years) would be a great trade for us and we would have a nice 3rd scoring option.

[BobbieL]

My guess this would be Allen, Royce or Richards The Suns don't have much else to trade unless they include Dunn or Oso. I think I am keeping Dunn over Kuminga Not sure the Warriors accept this trade but they have like 10 players on their roster.

Allen Royce and Oso?

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Kuminga would be an amazing acquisition if the price is right.

It's a long shot because we don't have too many good pieces for a sign&trade with the Warriors.

Allen + Royce + 3 2nds for Kuminga ($100M/4 years) would be a great trade for us and we would have a nice 3rd scoring option.

Siegel said the W's don't want allen - and the Warriors need height - what about Royce and Richards -- - granted that is only 15 --probably not enough

[Ghost of Kleine]

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[Calvin Klein]

So will this be Booker's 5th season as Sun where the team finishes below 30 wins? I say yes.

this is relevant though:


1 Jeff Hornacek 2015–16
2 Earl Watson 2016–17 and part of 2017–18
3 Jay Triano (interim) 2017–18
4 Igor Kokoskov 2018–19
5 Monty Williams 2019–23
6 Frank Vogel 2023–24
7 Mike Budenholzer 2024–25
8 Jordan Ott 2025–26

[Sunsdeuce]

So will this be Booker's 5th season as Sun where the team finishes below 30 wins? I say yes.

this is relevant though:


1 Jeff Hornacek 2015–16
2 Earl Watson 2016–17 and part of 2017–18
3 Jay Triano (interim) 2017–18
4 Igor Kokoskov 2018–19
5 Monty Williams 2019–23
6 Frank Vogel 2023–24
7 Mike Budenholzer 2024–25
8 Jordan Ott 2025–26

To retort that. Good players make coaches look good. So on the flip side, Booker hasn’t exactly made any his coaches look good. It’s a two way street. To me, Booker will always just be today’s version of Gilbert Arenas, all points, no substance. I know I’m not alone in this settlement.

"A player who makes a team great is better than a great player" - John Wooden

“Your best player has to set a tone of intolerance for anything that gets in the way of winning” – Jeff Van Gundy

“Admit to and make yourself accountable for mistakes. How can you improve if you’re never wrong?” – Pat Summitt

[NapoleonII]

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Money grubber.

Good luck winning anything with 2025-2026 James Harden and Kawhi Leonard.

[BobbieL]

So will this be Booker's 5th season as Sun where the team finishes below 30 wins? I say yes.

this is relevant though:


1 Jeff Hornacek 2015–16
2 Earl Watson 2016–17 and part of 2017–18
3 Jay Triano (interim) 2017–18
4 Igor Kokoskov 2018–19
5 Monty Williams 2019–23
6 Frank Vogel 2023–24
7 Mike Budenholzer 2024–25
8 Jordan Ott 2025–26

To retort that. Good players make coaches look good. So on the flip side, Booker hasn’t exactly made any his coaches look good. It’s a two way street. To me, Booker will always just be today’s version of Gilbert Arenas, all points, no substance. I know I’m not alone in this settlement.

"A player who makes a team great is better than a great player" - John Wooden

“Your best player has to set a tone of intolerance for anything that gets in the way of winning” – Jeff Van Gundy

“Admit to and make yourself accountable for mistakes. How can you improve if you’re never wrong?” – Pat Summitt

Booker is a good player but like Durant, they are best in an environment, and it was actually Bickley that noted it - where they are not the Batman players. Durant and Booker excelled at the OLympics where they can sit back, not get the attention and hoop. CP3 took the spotlight from Booker so he just had to hoop

Now he is the "franchise" - see how he reacts to being "the guy."

[Calvin Klein]

So will this be Booker's 5th season as Sun where the team finishes below 30 wins? I say yes.

this is relevant though:


1 Jeff Hornacek 2015–16
2 Earl Watson 2016–17 and part of 2017–18
3 Jay Triano (interim) 2017–18
4 Igor Kokoskov 2018–19
5 Monty Williams 2019–23
6 Frank Vogel 2023–24
7 Mike Budenholzer 2024–25
8 Jordan Ott 2025–26

To retort that. Good players make coaches look good. So on the flip side, Booker hasn’t exactly made any his coaches look good. It’s a two way street. To me, Booker will always just be today’s version of Gilbert Arenas, all points, no substance. I know I’m not alone in this settlement.

"A player who makes a team great is better than a great player" - John Wooden

“Your best player has to set a tone of intolerance for anything that gets in the way of winning” – Jeff Van Gundy

“Admit to and make yourself accountable for mistakes. How can you improve if you’re never wrong?” – Pat Summitt

I do agree that Booker is not great at leadership and not the best at making others better, but can you say in which season has Booker had a roster/coach where the team performed worse than expected?

I would probably say last two seasons, but in my opinion, they performed just as good as the roster construction allowed. He's only had a decently constructed team in 2020-2023 until the Durant trade.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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[Fo-Real]

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I mean, he could have stayed and got every penny he signed for. Im not a Beal apologist but he has no history or alliance with the Suns. He never asked for a buyout, he was approached with it AND pressured by the franchise and its fans to leave 14 million dollars (he absolutely did not have to give up), on the table because the Suns put themselves in a position where they couldn't even buy him out because of previous stretches! Of course he isn't going to take a penny less or leave while singing kumbaya to the fans and praising us, we don't deserve **** from him as a franchise or as fans. The **** is what it is, stop crying. Its over, both parties are happy of that.

[RaisingArizona]

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Let him be injured and play 30 games a year? Yeah, he will fit right in with Kawai

[NapoleonII]

Can someone put into words what the stretch and buyout actually carves out for us this year, and going forward?

So it saves our brilliant owner lots of money, gets us out of repeater penalties, and lets us make some moves? I'd love specifics, and don't want to Google our glorious future, so let's spell it out?

[Fo-Real]

Can someone put into words what the stretch and buyout actually carves out for us this year, and going forward?

So it saves our brilliant owner lots of money, gets us out of repeater penalties, and lets us make some moves? I'd love specifics, and don't want to Google our glorious future, so let's spell it out?

The most important one for me is that now we can aggregate salaries in trade and have more leeway in the values coming back. There is a lot more of course.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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[darmani]

Can someone put into words what the stretch and buyout actually carves out for us this year, and going forward?

So it saves our brilliant owner lots of money, gets us out of repeater penalties, and lets us make some moves? I'd love specifics, and don't want to Google our glorious future, so let's spell it out?

https://gophnx.com/bradley-beal-waive-and-stretch-suns-stretch-provision/