Official Suns Free Agent/Trade/Transaction Thread

[JMac1]

We don't need 99% of what's being talked about on this board. We have a great rotation with energy, youth, versatility, all spots covered, on good contracts. Yet half the board wants to pick up a traditional low post 4 or upgrade the 3 or 5 spot. If his name ain't Kevin Love or Gordon Hayward, we don't need him.

Yep. This year would be better, but at the latest in the off season of 2014. Thing with Hayward is we'd get to keep all of our picks and Len.

[JMac1]

From the SI Vault:

With the Suns open to trading draft picks now, what are the chances that Phoenix will land Kevin Love? And if so, what will they give?
-- @wizzlesingh

Minnesota is going to trade Love only if he makes it clear that he won't re-sign. That hasn't happened, and it may never happen.

If the Wolves were to believe that Love is on his way out in 2015, then their trade options would be limited to teams that would have a chance to sign him to a long-term deal. So Love would need to signal Phoenix as a preferred franchise.

THOMSEN: Love, Wolves in hurry to realize their potential

Here's something else to consider: If Love were to leave as a free agent then he would also have to think about whether a trade would weaken his new team. The reason, in theory, he would leave Minnesota would be to join a winner. But if his new team would have to give up too many assets to trade for him, then wouldn't Love be better off waiting to sign outright as a free agent?

Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nba/ne ... z2oc24vIbY

[JMac1]

From the SI Vault:

With the Suns open to trading draft picks now, what are the chances that Phoenix will land Kevin Love? And if so, what will they give?
-- @wizzlesingh

Minnesota is going to trade Love only if he makes it clear that he won't re-sign. That hasn't happened, and it may never happen.

If the Wolves were to believe that Love is on his way out in 2015, then their trade options would be limited to teams that would have a chance to sign him to a long-term deal. So Love would need to signal Phoenix as a preferred franchise.

THOMSEN: Love, Wolves in hurry to realize their potential

Here's something else to consider: If Love were to leave as a free agent then he would also have to think about whether a trade would weaken his new team. The reason, in theory, he would leave Minnesota would be to join a winner. But if his new team would have to give up too many assets to trade for him, then wouldn't Love be better off waiting to sign outright as a free agent?

Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nba/ne ... z2oc24vIbY

We are good either way. We wouldn't have to gut our roster at all. Everyone would stay including two future 1st in 2015. Losing four picks and Len (who doesn't play) has no affect on us now or going forward. Love replaces Len and any picks. I hope the media starts prodding Love and Minny continues to blow games. If they do we have a chance at Love if they don't blow we get the 1st, but I think us being better than them kills the ability to make the playoffs.

So we lose the pick but get Love...would that be a hoot I still believe Hayward is more realistic in the off-season.

Edit: http://hoopshabit.com/2013/12/15/kevin-love-get-traded/

More flames for the Love to Phoenix Fire

[grumpysaddle]

From the SI Vault:

With the Suns open to trading draft picks now, what are the chances that Phoenix will land Kevin Love? And if so, what will they give?
-- @wizzlesingh

Minnesota is going to trade Love only if he makes it clear that he won't re-sign. That hasn't happened, and it may never happen.

If the Wolves were to believe that Love is on his way out in 2015, then their trade options would be limited to teams that would have a chance to sign him to a long-term deal. So Love would need to signal Phoenix as a preferred franchise.

THOMSEN: Love, Wolves in hurry to realize their potential

Here's something else to consider: If Love were to leave as a free agent then he would also have to think about whether a trade would weaken his new team. The reason, in theory, he would leave Minnesota would be to join a winner. But if his new team would have to give up too many assets to trade for him, then wouldn't Love be better off waiting to sign outright as a free agent?

Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nba/ne ... z2oc24vIbY

We are good either way. We wouldn't have to gut our roster at all. Everyone would stay including two future 1st in 2015. Losing four picks and Len (who doesn't play) has no affect on us now or going forward. Love replaces Len and any picks. I hope the media starts prodding Love and Minny continues to blow games. If they do we have a chance at Love if they don't blow we get the 1st, but I think us being better than them kills the ability to make the playoffs.

So we lose the pick but get Love...would that be a hoot I still believe Hayward is more realistic in the off-season.

Edit: http://hoopshabit.com/2013/12/15/kevin-love-get-traded/

More flames for the Love to Phoenix Fire

That last article is from a while ago... I wouldn't gut the team for a Kevin Love trade. Plumlee and Marcus have proved to be vital to the chemistry on the team. I would substitute trading those guys by adding another pick and throwing Len in, though. Plumlee is just beginning to show what he is capable of. He had 20 rebounds the other night... think about if he can keep that up... WITH Love on the floor at the same time. The Suns can be at the top of the league in rebounding. Love isn't the fastest player, by any means, but he is great at outlet passes, and Miles Plumlee is superb at running the floor for a center. He beats other teams guards down the floor half the time, and all you need to do is throw the ball somewhere near the basket for him to go up and get it.

Marcus and Keef need to stick around as a pair. Their chemistry off the bench is outstanding. By adding Love to the team, you can move Frye to the bench. The first few times I saw a lineup of Marcus/Keef/Frye, I was scared how badly it would suck, given all of the similarities in their games, but it's proven to be a pretty great lineup, especially against other teams benches.

TL;DR: Replace Marcus Morris in the trade with another first rounder, and Plumlee with Len, and that's the only way I'd do that deal. (maybe even throw in a second rounder, or two).

[Ring_Wanted]

Plumlee and Marcus have proved to be vital to the chemistry on the team. I would substitute trading those guys by adding another pick and throwing Len in, though.

Totally agree. At that point, if you get Kevin Love don't waste time, keep the role players that prove to belong. Plumlee to me is untouchable. He gets the same treatment than Rajon Rondo when the Celtics traded for KG.

The Morrii, on the other hand, I'd have to let them go. I've come to really appreciate what they do this season, and they've been a pretty nice story, but if some of the contributing players needed to go, Green and them are the odd men out in my opinion (one positive way to look at it would be not having to give them an extension, which would save flexibility to go after othre veteran free agents).

Still, adding Kevin Love to the rotation we already have would be amazing beyond words. If all the picks in 2014 and 15 but one (due to the cap restrictions), needed to go, along with Len/Archie, so be it.

[Phystic]

I can't bring myself to look through 100+ pages on this topic, so sorry if this has already been discussed. But what do you guys think about going after Lance Stephenson? He has made some great improvements in his game and the Pacers are going to have an extremely difficult time hanging on to him. He will be a UFA this summer and the Pacers are already essentially capped out with 65M in guaranteed money for next season(not counting Danny Granger). It seems like they are in a OKC type of situation and Stephenson could be a nice answer for a long term SG(yes I know we have Archie Goodwin slotted into that but still).

We have cap space and we potentially have pieces that could interest the Pacers to do a S&T.

Thoughts?

[NTB]

I think Stephenson's performance is temporary.I don't think if he keeps this performance when he comes to Suns.And I believe that we need a player who is one or two tier upper from Stephenson.I don't think we need a SG either.Lance is SG, right?

[Gorilla Warfare]

I think Love could be had with 2-3 picks and Okafors expiring. We honestly have the best assets for Love and the Wolves, draft picks (insert Wolves' front office erections here) and a very solid expiring.

If you were Minnesota, would you trade Kevin Love for Emeka Okafor and 3 picks?

With how strong the West is this year, you're probably not going to make the playoffs even with Love, so why not get 3 picks in one of the deeper drafts in the last 20 years and get $14.5 million extra dollars?

[Ring_Wanted]

Sounds good from our standpoint, but if you are Minni, you open an auction among the teams where Love would consider to sign long term. We have a lot of assets, but I think other teams can top our best offer. We don't have a Klay Thompson to send, for example. Our better shot would be selling Love on the project with the system, coach and the roster remaining here from his trade.

[Dr Manute]

I think Stephenson's performance is temporary.I don't think if he keeps this performance when he comes to Suns.And I believe that we need a player who is one or two tier upper from Stephenson.I don't think we need a SG either.Lance is SG, right?

The article made him sound pretty good.

http://basketball.realgm.com/article/23 ... For-Pacers

I haven't seen any Pacers games so I can't comment on him personally but, I believe he could play SF.

[DirtyDez]

I think Love could be had with 2-3 picks and Okafors expiring. We honestly have the best assets for Love and the Wolves, draft picks (insert Wolves' front office erections here) and a very solid expiring.

If you were Minnesota, would you trade Kevin Love for Emeka Okafor and 3 picks?

No. Love is the best player at his position I'd make Phoenix trade the house.

[NTB]

I think Stephenson's performance is temporary.I don't think if he keeps this performance when he comes to Suns.And I believe that we need a player who is one or two tier upper from Stephenson.I don't think we need a SG either.Lance is SG, right?

The article made him sound pretty good.

http://basketball.realgm.com/article/23 ... For-Pacers

I haven't seen any Pacers games so I can't comment on him personally but, I believe he could play SF.

Still, if we get him and let him play SF when we are already short with the double PG system, it will make our team much shorter.

Goran Dragic x Lance Stephenson trade may happen.It seems they need a PG.Then we move Bledsoe to 1 and Stephenson to 2.

[Frank Lee]

Apparently, Love makes the world go round.
Unfortunately, spanning the globe is no easy task.

Its a take it or leave from us though. There is little room for negotiations. I'd say Goodwin or the MoBros are involved along with a basket of picks of course. Len has no value.

[JMac1]

Apparently, Love makes the world go round.
Unfortunately, spanning the globe is no easy task.

Its a take it or leave from us though. There is little room for negotiations. I'd say Goodwin or the MoBros are involved along with a basket of picks of course. Len has no value.

Goodwin

[ruiner]

I think Love could be had with 2-3 picks and Okafors expiring. We honestly have the best assets for Love and the Wolves, draft picks (insert Wolves' front office erections here) and a very solid expiring.

If you were Minnesota, would you trade Kevin Love for Emeka Okafor and 3 picks?

If he says, he wants PHX, they have to get the best they can from us. I'm sure a young player or two would be in it. But some of you people are forgetting how superstar/star player trades work. How many trades have actually been equal value or even close done in the past for em? That's armchair GM stuff. Players dictate everything and no one really guts their teams anymore. Wolves are not gonna get the best deal or equal value for him unless a team takes a chance by dealing him w/o an extension.

Til he says, no to PHX, we have a shot.

[DirtyDez]

If I was a Wolves fan I'd prefer Goodwin, the 15' Laker pick and their own pick back over Len + three 2014 1st's. Only MIN/LAL picks will be lotto picks IMO. Len has no value unless a team thinks highly of him just cause he went top-5 in the worst draft ever.

[WeekapaugGroove]

If I was a Wolves fan I'd prefer Goodwin, the 15' Laker pick and their own pick back over Len + three 2014 1st's. Only MIN/LAL picks will be lotto picks IMO. Len has no value unless a team thinks highly of him just cause he went top-5 in the worst draft ever.

If they knew he would sign an extension then really any combo of 3-5 asserts and picks is fine. I like Goodwin and all but he's not the guy you hold up a love deal for.


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[bwgood77]

If I was a Wolves fan I'd prefer Goodwin, the 15' Laker pick and their own pick back over Len + three 2014 1st's. Only MIN/LAL picks will be lotto picks IMO. Len has no value unless a team thinks highly of him just cause he went top-5 in the worst draft ever.

If the Wolves trade Love, they don't need to trade for their own pick back, because they will never have to convey it to us anyway. It is pretty much lottery protected this year and next and then changes to a second round pick anyway. It's starting to look like that Wolves pick will never end up being a first rounder for us. I'm still holding out hope they make the playoffs this year so we get it, because if they don't make it this year, I don't see them making it next year.

[trevor0333]

1st off, have to say its good to see the Suns relevant again! As a Wolfies fan I don't trade Love until he forces the issue. However with the teams inconsistent play maybe you get Flip on a day he's not sure the current core will work and accepts a great offer before having to deal with Love forcing the issue.

Like the previous posters have said, if Love is traded really only the LAL 2015 is a high lotto pick. Flip liked Len just not as much as Zeller partially due to positional need.

If the Suns offered up Okafor expiring wiith Len & all 5 1sts they own, it could be hard to say no.
MN 2014 - If they don't trade Love its a 15-20 range
PHX 2014 - 18-25
Wash 2014 10-20
Indy 2014 - 28-32
LAL 2015 - possibly a top 10 but very hard to say with the Lakers. Things change quickly with that team & cap space.

Your basically trading an expiring for 1 top 5 pick in Len, a possible hgh lottery pick in 2015, & 3 1sts ranging from 10-30 in a pretty deep draft. While 5 1st's sounds like a lot it isnt nearly as crazy as it sounds. Im not sure Flip says yes but he doesnt hang up on you thats for sure.

[DirtyDez]

If I was a Wolves fan I'd prefer Goodwin, the 15' Laker pick and their own pick back over Len + three 2014 1st's. Only MIN/LAL picks will be lotto picks IMO. Len has no value unless a team thinks highly of him just cause he went top-5 in the worst draft ever.

If the Wolves trade Love, they don't need to trade for their own pick back, because they will never have to convey it to us anyway. It is pretty much lottery protected this year and next and then changes to a second round pick anyway. It's starting to look like that Wolves pick will never end up being a first rounder for us. I'm still holding out hope they make the playoffs this year so we get it, because if they don't make it this year, I don't see them making it next year.

I keep mixing up the WAS/MIN protection but in any case they'd probably ask for it with the East being so bad. The 9 seed in the West would get #14 which isn't protected.