Official Trade Thread: The Block Is Hot!!

[Frank Lee]

I don't see how you guys justify any Monroe trade. Wont they be able to pull off a sign and trade if they are close to losing him? They also have been playing pretty good as of late and that front line of Monroe and Drummond has their way every other night. Every time I look, one of them is grabbing 15 RBs and dropping 20.

And you aren't going to get him for two problem-child's. I would think the MoBros are pretty much impossible to trade right now.

And Lemen... I like your deal, but you might as well eliminate portland and just take Deng here. I don't see them(PDX) downgrading when they are pushing/tuning up for the playoffs.

And I could give a S**T about making the MoBros 'happy' at this point.

[Grots]

Monroe's not leaving Detroit

[RunDogGun]

I like the 3 team idea of us, det, and utah. I think we could simplify it a bit though. Do something like IT to Utah, Kanter to Det, and Monroe to PHX. We could send Det a lottery protected 1st if needed.

We upgrade the frontcourt, Utah upgrades their backcourt that looks god awful, and Det switches Monroe for a big they can match in RFA and he's someone who won't command as much money as Monroe.

I still don't understand why people think Monroe wants to leave the only team that gives him the best chance to get the best salary he can get? Why would his agent do it? It isn't like he isn't getting great numbers. And it isn't like we are in a great position to get him a chip.

So, Monroe isn't coming here, in any trade. It is t worth it for him. He will veto any trade unless that team can give him the best chance at a chip, if he even cares about that.

Bogyo, buy out IT? Probably the dumbest thing I've read from the IT haters.

I still love how people put Warren in front of Marcus on their depth charts, like Jeff has done anything remotely near that.

I don't see why Portland trades Batum.

[bwgood77]

We lose nothing by trading Thomas. He did not cost us an asset to obtain. All he did was burn 7 mill in cap space.

I deal him for McBob in a second, as long as the med staff signs off. Straight up works. Would even throw the Plum in for Cole.

Move or waive Cole, then sign Stat.

I would anticipate some form of suspension for the MoBros. We all have been conveniently casting the denial eye elsewhere. This thing is a pot on the back burner....and its about to boil over.

What better way to fill that starting spot than the return of Amare.

But the main thing is, move IT.

That deal might be the most probable if you go through the teams and look at their needs. Sure McBob is out but if Amare comes this year that wouldn't be a big deal. I just don't know where else IT would go. No rebuilding team is likely to want him, and most teams in the playoff race don't need him.

His contract is a little longer than I'd like.

[kennydorglas]

Forget it. Monroe isnt available for any trade offer.
Maybe for a S&T and that's it.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Monroe loses his bird rights if traded and has the right to veto any trade. He's not going anywhere.

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[rsavaj]

If we're really set on this Amare thing, I think that means we'll look to move a Plumlee/Green package. What can that net you?

If not a player, then I wonder if you could ship them off separately for late firsts. Dallas needs a big man badly, they might be willing to give up a a top 20 protected pick or something. OKC could really use Gerald Green.

If you don't get any players back, you sign Amare and have one of Archie/Warren/Bullock slide into the backup 2 spot. If Bullock was actually any good at 3-ing and D-ing, he's the obvious choice since he'd spread the floor and shore up the bench D, but apparently he's kinda mediocre at both, so I'm thinking Horny would go with Warren in that scenario.

[RunDogGun]

If we're really set on this Amare thing, I think that means we'll look to move a Plumlee/Green package. What can that net you?

If not a player, then I wonder if you could ship them off separately for late firsts. Dallas needs a big man badly, they might be willing to give up a a top 20 protected pick or something. OKC could really use Gerald Green.

If you don't get any players back, you sign Amare and have one of Archie/Warren/Bullock slide into the backup 2 spot. If Bullock was actually any good at 3-ing and D-ing, he's the obvious choice since he'd spread the floor and shore up the bench D, but apparently he's kinda mediocre at both, so I'm thinking Horny would go with Warren in that scenario.

The only logical move to open up a roster spot is to trade Green for a pick. But it's a tough spot to be in for McD. He usually is the one that waits for teams to be desperate, and then makes the deal work for him. Even if we got Amare, I wouldn't trade Plumlee until I knew Len was ready to play.

[rsavaj]

If we're really set on this Amare thing, I think that means we'll look to move a Plumlee/Green package. What can that net you?

If not a player, then I wonder if you could ship them off separately for late firsts. Dallas needs a big man badly, they might be willing to give up a a top 20 protected pick or something. OKC could really use Gerald Green.

If you don't get any players back, you sign Amare and have one of Archie/Warren/Bullock slide into the backup 2 spot. If Bullock was actually any good at 3-ing and D-ing, he's the obvious choice since he'd spread the floor and shore up the bench D, but apparently he's kinda mediocre at both, so I'm thinking Horny would go with Warren in that scenario.

The only logical move to open up a roster spot is to trade Green for a pick. But it's a tough spot to be in for McD. He usually is the one that waits for teams to be desperate, and then makes the deal work for him. Even if we got Amare, I wouldn't trade Plumlee until I knew Len was ready to play.

Good point.

And scratch my stupid idea about trading anything helpful to OKC. Not sure what I was thinking.

[King4Day]

By Monroe taking the qualifying offer this past summer, Detroit holds no advantage to re-signing him. His Bird rights are gone. If dealt, the team getting him has a rental player with no advantage either.

[WeekapaugGroove]

By Monroe taking the qualifying offer this past summer, Detroit holds no advantage to re-signing him. His Bird rights are gone. If dealt, the team getting him has a rental player with no advantage either.

actually Detroit still has his bird rights. It's only if he's traded those go away. Now that probably won't matter since it's not like Detroit will give him a 5 yr max anyway. Most likely he just signs with a team with space this summer.

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[JTrain]

Monroe at 10.5 rebounds per game, improved FT% and his unique offensive skills for a big sound good to me.

I'm curious why there aren't more trade rumors with him? He's unrestricted after this season so I would think Detroit would try to get whatever they can for him.

Mostly because trading for an unrestricted free agent is dumb.

Why?

It seems unlikely he would OK the trade if he didn't actually want to be here. Why would he give away Bird Rights to play in Phoenix for a few months for no extra money? I'm assuming the FO would have to think he wanted to sign with us before even proposing the deal.

Worst case, we get to watch a really interesting team for the next 28 games for the price of players that most fans just found frustrating anyway. Best case, he likes it here and signs a deal, securing us a crucial piece of what could become a great team (Bled, Dragic, Warren, Monroe, Len).

[carey]

By Monroe taking the qualifying offer this past summer, Detroit holds no advantage to re-signing him. His Bird rights are gone. If dealt, the team getting him has a rental player with no advantage either.

actually Detroit still has his bird rights. It's only if he's traded those go away. Now that probably won't matter since it's not like Detroit will give him a 5 yr max anyway. Most likely he just signs with a team with space this summer.

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That is correct. Detroit has bird rights but any team acquiring him would not.

[RunDogGun]

I think this Monroe thing was discussed when we were in the holding pattern for Bledsoe. Once the QO was signed, the team they signed with is the ONLY team with that player's bird rights. If traded on the QO all bird rights are gone. It is why they can't trade him without him saying ok.

Detroit can't try and get what they can for him, for he controls that. There is no reason for him to accept a trade unless he absolutely loves that team or he thinks they give him the best chance at a chip. Other than that, there is absolutely no reason for Monroe to accept a trade.

So, I really don't think there is any chance he gets traded this season. Highly likely a sign and trade next year, but not this year.

[thamadkant]

Back to the stats discussion on how we are or are not bad at defense. ESPN's David Thorpe just posted something pretty great.

These are the point totals a team has given up in regulation this season:

124, 114, 111, 113, 127, 115, 111, 115, 113

The team that gave them up? The best defensive team in the league, the Golden State Warriors. Pace matters.

Most people here understand that.

But Doesn't change the fact that the Suns are still middle of the pack If not below it, among defensive stats both basic and advance.

Warriors are among the top half.

Warriors are a couple of tiers above the Suns overall. Their point differential is also ridiculous.
With that said, they aren't even my pick for the championship.... grizzlies, hawks are playing playoff basketball since December... So they have had a heaps of practice and are picking up momentum.

[kennydorglas]

Back to the stats discussion on how we are or are not bad at defense. ESPN's David Thorpe just posted something pretty great.

These are the point totals a team has given up in regulation this season:

124, 114, 111, 113, 127, 115, 111, 115, 113

The team that gave them up? The best defensive team in the league, the Golden State Warriors. Pace matters.

Most people here understand that.

But Doesn't change the fact that the Suns are still middle of the pack If not below it, among defensive stats both basic and advance.

Warriors are among the top half.

Warriors are a couple of tiers above the Suns overall. Their point differential is also ridiculous.
With that said, they aren't even my pick for the championship.... grizzlies, hawks are playing playoff basketball since December... So they have had a heaps of practice and are picking up momentum.

Yeah, i dont think the refs will continue to give them a 'free pass' on defense in playoffs.
Their D# is basically a bullying on the ball handler with some huge traps and reaching all night long.

Memphis D# is much more solid technique wise.

[Calvin Klein]

OT: Zach Lowe just made podcast with Jared Dudley. They talk a bit about the 2010 Suns. I might get depressed...

[thamadkant]

If Dragic was same age as Bledsoe, I think McD would of definitely be trading anyone around to build around him.
But McD has made his decision that its Bledsoe that will carry the torch as PG of the Suns going forward, unless he nets an even better asset for him.

I dont doubt they will pay Dragic near max if they must, but the fact is, money is not JUST the issue here. Dragic is not 100% happy with the structure of the team. There was a rumor earlier that if Dragic commits 100% on resigning in the off-season that they will remove him from the trade block and give him the money he wants... yet he still hasnt committed or hasnt come out and said he plans to stay in Phoenix, instead gives the "every team has a chance" speech. I'm sure that is 60% due to his agent's advise, but Dragic has also expressed displeasure with the 3 PG system.

Most if not all I said above, I am sure most fans here already know. I'm reiterating it, because I am highly concerned that their will be 2 outcomes... (a) Suns trade him 75 cents to the dollar because they dont want to lose him for nothing, (b) He walks out in the off-season.

There is a 3rd and 4th scenario, one in which he resigns and he remains a Suns player for the next 4+ years, the other is a sign and trade to a team of his choosing (ala Amare Stoudemire to NY Knicks). But these 2 scenarios are not as high chance of happening as the other 2, the NBA has changed slightly since then. Lebron leaving Heat without compensation, Howard leaving Lakers without compensation etc. Agents of players have their client's ears these days and the players care more about themselves rather than show gratitude/loyalty to their teams. The Stoudemire sign and trade as well as the Nash sign and trade were actually VERY nice gestures by those guys towards the Suns..... unfortunately the Suns have a different GM now, someone who is a little bit more cold-blooded in his transactions... how much respect does he get from the current Suns players? do they like him? As a fan, McD has won every trade he has made because he is almost a socio-path when it comes to NBA business moves (a GM in his 30s).

[letsgosuns]

I have mentioned many times before that the Suns need to pick either Bledsoe or Dragic and go with one of them. Obviously Bledsoe is younger, is a great defender, and already signed. Dragic is going to be a free agent, is not a great defender, and is almost four years older than Bledsoe. Based on that alone, you would go with Bledsoe. But I do not know what the Suns front office is thinking and who they value more. Regardless, a dual point lineup does not work. Dragic himself has been saying repeatedly he is having a difficult time playing off the ball and also guarding shooting guards, just like I have said all season. It is getting ridiculous now. It is not fair to play him this way.

If Jason Kidd, Penny Hardaway, and Kevin Johnson in 2000 (all three far better than what the Suns have now) could not do anything more than win one second round playoff game, what the hell can we expect the Suns to do with Bledsoe, Dragic, and Thomas. Kidd, Hardaway, and Johnson are all hall of fame players. Bledsoe, Dragic, and Thomas? Hmm...yeah right.

No doubt in my mind Dragic wants to leave. Trade him now. Trade Thomas too. I would trade Thomas for anything at this point. I consider him to be the same exact thing as Josh Smith was on the Pistons. A black hole. If no one wants him, just cut him. Addition by subtraction. Cash out on Dragic as well because I would hate to lose him for nothing. You could get some serious assets if you trade Dragic right now. I am sure a team like the Bucks would trade a couple of first round picks for him.

[RunDogGun]

What a bunch of hogwash!