The Trade Thread: All Eyes Toward The Offseason

[Weemsickew14]

If we trade TJ, it'll be a big mistake... We still haven't given him his chance to show what he has.

[darealjuice]

I don't want us giving up on TJ so soon either. It seems like he has a solid work ethic and wants to improve, and I already like his game a lot. He knew he needed to add a 3 point shot to his game, and he went from 23.8% on 21 attempts to 40% on 70 attempts in one offseason with roughly the same number of games played. Obviously it's a small sample size, but him shooting over 3 times as many 3's at a much higher efficiency is pretty encouraging.

[jcsunsfan]

Lots of talk on the Philly board about Phoenix. BC just did an interview where he called Simmons "transcendent" and Ingram "good." He also said that if they draft Simmons, they have to surround him with shooters. That, along with their surplus of centers, brought up trade suggests like,

Okafor for Brandon Knight and the #4 and #13 pick. Yes. That was one of the suggestions.

I am not sure I want Okafor at all. He does not project well as a pf. He does not have shooting range. He also has personal issues.

[darealjuice]

Brandon Knight AND #4 AND #13 for Okafor? That feels like a bit much for someone who hasn't proved much

[jcsunsfan]

Brandon Knight AND #4 AND #13 for Okafor? That feels like a bit much for someone who hasn't proved much

I agree. I might do Knight and #13 and #28. Then draft Hield or Murray. They you go after a pure pg in free agency.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

I wouldn't give up the #4 straight up for Okafor, but Boston might give up the #3. Maybe they bite on a Noel + picks package. BC likely wants Murray. With us, it would have to be a three team deal, with someone else taking Okafor or Noel, and frankly, I don't see it.

If Knight's what they're interested in, there's a certain LA pick I'd be interested in having back

[Weemsickew14]

I don't want us giving up on TJ so soon either. It seems like he has a solid work ethic and wants to improve, and I already like his game a lot. He knew he needed to add a 3 point shot to his game, and he went from 23.8% on 21 attempts to 40% on 70 attempts in one offseason with roughly the same number of games played. Obviously it's a small sample size, but him shooting over 3 times as many 3's at a much higher efficiency is pretty encouraging.

He's the most skilled on our roster and with time could be the best scorer in the NBA

[TeamTragic]

Lots of talk on the Philly board about Phoenix. BC just did an interview where he called Simmons "transcendent" and Ingram "good." He also said that if they draft Simmons, they have to surround him with shooters. That, along with their surplus of centers, brought up trade suggests like,

Okafor for Brandon Knight and the #4 and #13 pick. Yes. That was one of the suggestions.

I am not sure I want Okafor at all. He does not project well as a pf. He does not have shooting range. He also has personal issues.

I smell a draft day trade. What do you guys think?

[carey]

Brandon Knight AND #4 AND #13 for Okafor? That feels like a bit much for someone who hasn't proved much

Agreed. Also, Okafor is a scoring C only. He's basically Brook Lopez (different, but you know what I mean) and we've seen what happens when that player is the best player on your team. Your big man has to be able to defend these days or he's almost pointless. I don't give up #4 for him let alone all that other stuff.

[carey]

I smell a draft day trade. What do you guys think?

Yes. However, I don't think it involves #4 unless a bonafide all-star comes back, and I don't mean of the Kyle Lowry variety. As I previously wrote I think Knight + #13 are on the table for someone like Gay or Favors.

[King4Day]

I'd do Knight 13 and 28 for Okafor if that's what Philly offered.
He's still super young and if he can improve his D, even slightly, it's a plus. Otherwise, you put defensive stalwarts around him. He might be more like Al Jefferson. Good offense, no D.

[Walt_Uoob]

I smell a draft day trade. What do you guys think?

Yes. However, I don't think it involves #4 unless a bonafide all-star comes back, and I don't mean of the Kyle Lowry variety. As I previously wrote I think Knight + #13 are on the table for someone like Gay or Favors.

Knight + #13 for Favors would be so great as far as rebalancing our team and consolidating our assets a bit. He's an unrestricted FA in 2018 but at least we'd get two years to build a relationship rather than just the one-year rental that Gay would likely be.

Bled/Murray
Booker/Goodwin
TJ/PJ
Favors/Telly
Chandler/Len

or

Bled/FA
Booker/Goodwin
TJ/PJ
Favors/Bender
Chandler/Len

I like it. That's a likely playoff team next year with room for growth in the following years and cap space to boot.

[thamadkant]

Brandon Knight AND #4 AND #13 for Okafor? That feels like a bit much for someone who hasn't proved much

Agreed. Also, Okafor is a scoring C only. He's basically Brook Lopez (different, but you know what I mean) and we've seen what happens when that player is the best player on your team. Your big man has to be able to defend these days or he's almost pointless. I don't give up #4 for him let alone all that other stuff.

Wait a sec.


I too thought Okafor and Lopez are identical.. But a healthy Lopez is a border line star... 20 points 8 rebounds and 2 blocks is GREAT to have.


But Okafor can also become Cousins v2.0

Cousins defense is acceptable because he crashes the boards and his ability to put big men in foul trouble is huge.




And I dont see anything wrong with having a player like Brook Lopez... When the guy is healthy he is a beast.


Nets have never surrounded him correctly. Spurs for instance would kill for someone like him to help draw the defense inside to free up shooters against the warriors and thunder.



There is always room for a big man who will score 20 points inside if fed the ball.

[bwgood77]

Brandon Knight AND #4 AND #13 for Okafor? That feels like a bit much for someone who hasn't proved much

Agreed. Also, Okafor is a scoring C only. He's basically Brook Lopez (different, but you know what I mean) and we've seen what happens when that player is the best player on your team. Your big man has to be able to defend these days or he's almost pointless. I don't give up #4 for him let alone all that other stuff.

Wait a sec.


I too thought Okafor and Lopez are identical.. But a healthy Lopez is a border line star... 20 points 8 rebounds and 2 blocks is GREAT to have.


But Okafor can also become Cousins v2.0

Cousins defense is acceptable because he crashes the boards and his ability to put big men in foul trouble is huge.




And I dont see anything wrong with having a player like Brook Lopez... When the guy is healthy he is a beast.


Nets have never surrounded him correctly. Spurs for instance would kill for someone like him to help draw the defense inside to free up shooters against the warriors and thunder.



There is always room for a big man who will score 20 points inside if fed the ball.

Okafor is probably most like Al Jefferson.

[thamadkant]

Agreed. Also, Okafor is a scoring C only. He's basically Brook Lopez (different, but you know what I mean) and we've seen what happens when that player is the best player on your team. Your big man has to be able to defend these days or he's almost pointless. I don't give up #4 for him let alone all that other stuff.

Wait a sec.


I too thought Okafor and Lopez are identical.. But a healthy Lopez is a border line star... 20 points 8 rebounds and 2 blocks is GREAT to have.


But Okafor can also become Cousins v2.0

Cousins defense is acceptable because he crashes the boards and his ability to put big men in foul trouble is huge.




And I dont see anything wrong with having a player like Brook Lopez... When the guy is healthy he is a beast.


Nets have never surrounded him correctly. Spurs for instance would kill for someone like him to help draw the defense inside to free up shooters against the warriors and thunder.



There is always room for a big man who will score 20 points inside if fed the ball.

Okafor is probably most like Al Jefferson.

That was his draft comparison and definitely valid.

But to me Okafor looks bigger and more physically robust than Jefferson. Jefferson is a very good player so I dont see the issue of trying to go for him...

Its not like the suns can obtain a two way dominant big man with pick 4... So a player like Okafor who can score 20 grab 10 rebounds sounds like great value for a pick 4.

And suns need inside scoring big time.

[ATTL]

Okafor for Knight and 13. 4th is not on the table.
Use 4 on Murray, draft Maker at 28, diallo at 34. I like that team's potential with Murray as the main backup guard for both positions until Bledsoe's inevitable injury.

[bwgood77]

Wait a sec.


I too thought Okafor and Lopez are identical.. But a healthy Lopez is a border line star... 20 points 8 rebounds and 2 blocks is GREAT to have.


But Okafor can also become Cousins v2.0

Cousins defense is acceptable because he crashes the boards and his ability to put big men in foul trouble is huge.




And I dont see anything wrong with having a player like Brook Lopez... When the guy is healthy he is a beast.


Nets have never surrounded him correctly. Spurs for instance would kill for someone like him to help draw the defense inside to free up shooters against the warriors and thunder.



There is always room for a big man who will score 20 points inside if fed the ball.

Okafor is probably most like Al Jefferson.

That was his draft comparison and definitely valid.

But to me Okafor looks bigger and more physically robust than Jefferson. Jefferson is a very good player so I dont see the issue of trying to go for him...

Its not like the suns can obtain a two way dominant big man with pick 4... So a player like Okafor who can score 20 grab 10 rebounds sounds like great value for a pick 4.

And suns need inside scoring big time.

Hey, I'd trade 4 for Okafor if Bender isn't there. But I wouldn't want to play him at PF. He needs to play center. But he can't really provide rim protection or has any range so then you have to have a shot blocking stretch 4, of which there are only a handful in the league, so they are really hard to come by. MAYBE if someone like Chriss completely panned out, it would work. But I haven't watched him enough at the pro level to really judge his weaknesses...it's just what I read, so maybe he can become a good defender, shot blocker and improve his range.

Then we'd have to trade Len. I'd like to give Len a little more time with a pg that actually sets him up well.

[AtheJ415]

Agreed. Also, Okafor is a scoring C only. He's basically Brook Lopez (different, but you know what I mean) and we've seen what happens when that player is the best player on your team. Your big man has to be able to defend these days or he's almost pointless. I don't give up #4 for him let alone all that other stuff.

Wait a sec.


I too thought Okafor and Lopez are identical.. But a healthy Lopez is a border line star... 20 points 8 rebounds and 2 blocks is GREAT to have.


But Okafor can also become Cousins v2.0

Cousins defense is acceptable because he crashes the boards and his ability to put big men in foul trouble is huge.




And I dont see anything wrong with having a player like Brook Lopez... When the guy is healthy he is a beast.


Nets have never surrounded him correctly. Spurs for instance would kill for someone like him to help draw the defense inside to free up shooters against the warriors and thunder.



There is always room for a big man who will score 20 points inside if fed the ball.

Okafor is probably most like Al Jefferson.

Was about to say this. And there's nothing wrong with Al Jefferson, but when you also factor in that you're sitting Len and hampering his development in the process, I don't see how we'd trade a lot, let alone pick #4 for him. If he was a PF version of Big Al with the ability to stretch the 4, then I'd do it, but he's not. I'd actually prefer Saric to Okafor for our team, but I'd certainly not be willing to trade a ton for him either when there are many PFs with upside we can take at 4 and 13 respectively. I'd do Knight alone for Saric and McConnell, but never pick 4 and maybe not even 13 depending on who ends up available there.

I think packaging more for a guy like Favors, or even more for a Cousins, would make more sense. If those aren't on the table, then just keep all of the picks and draft. With how well we've drafted, keeping the picks isn't exactly the wrong move, particularly in the current salary cap.

And honestly, I see Tyson and PJ as guys we need to move more than Knight, who can be our backup PG and SG and play 30 minutes while still presenting some upside.

[AtheJ415]

Okafor for Knight and 13. 4th is not on the table.
Use 4 on Murray, draft Maker at 28, diallo at 34. I like that team's potential with Murray as the main backup guard for both positions until Bledsoe's inevitable injury.

I'm not really sold on Maker personally, at least not enough for pick 28. I like Diallo, but I don't think he'll be there at 34.


I think in that scenario you'd have to do Diallo at 28 (and he may not be there even) and someone like Gary Payton or whoever lasts at PG at 34, since we'd need a backup 1 unless we're planning to move Archie back there.

[letsgosuns]

The Bulls beat writer for the Chicago Tribune K.C. Johnson just published an article stating the Bulls must trade Jimmy Butler or Derrick Rose in order for the Bulls offseason to be successful.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/columnists/ct-derrick-rose-jimmy-butler-trade-spt-0522-20160521-column.html

If Butler really is available and the Bulls want to do a rebuilding process then I certainly think the Suns can put together the kind of package necessary to pull off a trade for him.