2016 Draft Thread Part 3 - Poll Update

[carey]

Who is Dragan Bender?

http://www.si.com/nba/video/2016/06/15/who-is-dragan-bender-si-films

[saintEscaton]

Who is Dragan Bender?

http://www.si.com/nba/video/2016/06/15/who-is-dragan-bender-si-films

Directed by M. Night Shyamalan.

[Ghost of Kleine]

I keep watching more and more draft express video bios' of murray and skal. I really gotta say that Murray in my estimation is without a doubt going to be a star in the league. I say this based upon his poise and innate skill to lead and score. Also his athletic ability is better than I had expected to be. But the overall selling point had to be his percentages, The 50/40... along with his poise had gotten sentimental for nash. He would just seem to fill the gap that nash left.

I would love to take murray at #4. Then Skal at #13. The thought of both booker and murray spotting up as snipers while Skal uses his incredible skill in the post would be electric to watch.

I wish I could post their draftexpress videos here so you guys could see and make your own judgements.

But my old lg optimus phone just won't accomodate this.

Basically I can see Murrays' ceiling as a cross between/ brandon roy and deron williams.

And skal has a ceiling of a cross between theo ratliff defensively, and offensively....chris bosch and pau gasols lovechild.

That would still be an amazing infusion of athletic talent and skill.

Finally, You have to consider Thon maker at #28. How could anyone pass on a 7'1 very mobile skilled, aggressive big man with a non stop high motor.

Any thoughts on their comparisons ?

[carey]

Basically I can see Murrays' ceiling as a cross between/ brandon roy and deron williams.

And skal has a ceiling of a cross between theo ratliff defensively, and offensively....chris bosch and pau gasols lovechild.

That would still be an amazing infusion of athletic talent and skill.

Finally, You have to consider Thon maker at #28. How could anyone pass on a 7'1 very mobile skilled, aggressive big man with a non stop high motor.

Any thoughts on their comparisons ?

I think you are comparing those two guys to perennial All-Stars so we might need to slow it down a bit. I have trumpeted Skal for quite some time, but I am pretty sure his stock has risen to the 8-10 range.

Re: Thon though, skilled is not a word I would use to describe him just yet. Long, mobile, and aggressive? Probably. But if we are saying Bender is 2 years away I don't know how far away that suggests Thon is.

[Saberestar]

I still can't bang the drum enough for Hernangomez at #13.

Size, speed, shooting, plays above the rim. This guy is the real deal. I still think he might be the best PF prospect in this draft. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if the Magic, Bucks, or Raps took him before us.

I have seen him enough to understand that his athleticism is not even on an average NBA level. He is decent, but he doesn't play above the rim on a constant basis by any means.

He is skilled and knows how to play, but there are better options than him at #13 in this draft. I would be happy with him at #28.

Who would you prefer at 13? Funny I came out with the opposite impression. I saw a promising dive man with enough bounce to finish in traffic with authority and a surprising ability to get to the line/absorb contact

Hernangomez is a good athlete in the ACB, but the NBA is another animal. IMO he is athletically AT BEST at the same level of Ilyasova, decent but nothing special to talk about it.

If we go Murray or Hield at #4 I would prefer Labissiere at #13.

If we go Bender at #4 I want Ulis at #13.

[saintEscaton]

I have seen him enough to understand that his athleticism is not even on an average NBA level. He is decent, but he doesn't play above the rim on a constant basis by any means.

He is skilled and knows how to play, but there are better options than him at #13 in this draft. I would be happy with him at #28.

Who would you prefer at 13? Funny I came out with the opposite impression. I saw a promising dive man with enough bounce to finish in traffic with authority and a surprising ability to get to the line/absorb contact

Hernangomez is a good athlete in the ACB, but the NBA is another animal. IMO he is athletically AT BEST at the same level of Ilyasova, decent but nothing special to talk about it.

If we go Murray or Hield at #4 I would prefer Labissiere at #13.

If we go Bender at #4 I want Ulis at #13.

Yeah I can see the concerns. Ulis won't crack a rotation playing under 150 pounds he needs to complete serious bulking regimen and I don't know if his frame can hold up at the next level and he already has hip issues. THat would be even a bigger reach IMO. Felder isn't quite the lfoor general but I like him better at 34, he is built like a tank and is more of a microwave sixth man in the mold of Mighty Mouse, best vertical at the combine also

[Kerrsed]

Hernangomez is a good athlete in the ACB, but the NBA is another animal. IMO he is athletically AT BEST at the same level of Ilyasova, decent but nothing special to talk about it.

If we go Murray or Hield at #4 I would prefer Labissiere at #13.

If we go Bender at #4 I want Ulis at #13.

Ulis is a 2nd round pick. He will be there at #28 and should still be there at #34. You dont blow a #13 pick on a medically red flagged Sophomore PG under 6 feet tall.

[Saberestar]

Who would you prefer at 13? Funny I came out with the opposite impression. I saw a promising dive man with enough bounce to finish in traffic with authority and a surprising ability to get to the line/absorb contact

Hernangomez is a good athlete in the ACB, but the NBA is another animal. IMO he is athletically AT BEST at the same level of Ilyasova, decent but nothing special to talk about it.

If we go Murray or Hield at #4 I would prefer Labissiere at #13.

If we go Bender at #4 I want Ulis at #13.

Yeah I can see the concerns. Ulis won't crack a rotation playing under 150 pounds he needs to complete serious bulking regimen and I don't know if his frame can hold up at the next level and he already has hip issues. THat would be even a bigger reach IMO. Felder isn't quite the lfoor general but I like him better at 34, he is built like a tank and is more of a microwave sixth man in the mold of Mighty Mouse, best vertical at the combine also

Yes, if we can grab Ulis at #28 it would be much better but I think he goes in the late teens. We will see.

Felder is really similar to Isaiah Thomas, he can be a good option too with #28 or #34, but I prefer Ulis for his great vision and court awareness.

[8on]

so it looks like most people here want Bender.

uhhh.....why? can somebody tell me what they like about him?

#hield #ellenson #maybechriss #notbender

I'll bite. Bender is:

7'1"
Very fast and quick for his size
Great passer (outlet, post, and wing)
Great motor
His shot is developing nicely
Quick hands
Gives 100% on D
Can take people off the dribble and slash!

After watching all his available tape, he looks like he could play 4-5 at the NBA level and maybe even develop into a HUGE 3 ala KD. Guys with that combination of speed, size, vision, coordination, and raw effort just don't come along every day. If the Celtics pass on him at #3, they will regret it. Someone posted this earlier and it sums him up pretty well IMO: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0Epg_sBZq4

so he can pass.

he seems to hoist up his outside shot. there's very little arc or fluidity, and i sort of doubt he could make 3's consistently.

he seems just strong enough to contend with Israeli defenders. what about Joakim Noah? i don't think he'll be a good rebounder. DeMarcus Cousins could run him over. with 1.5 dribbles....

in the "Isolation D" segment, he doesn't stay in front of ANYONE. quicker guys in the NBA would blow right by him.


what's the bottom line? he's a work in progress......with EVERY skill.

the idea that this guy will be good at anything in the league is a nice fantasy, but there's no proof of it. that video, which i've already seen, just makes me more fearful at the thought of drafting this kid.

[OGBAH]

If Bender is gone would you draft Dunn to trade? Philly wants him if next years draft is so awesome would you trade Dunn for our Lakers pick dice roll?

[saintEscaton]

If Bender is gone would you draft Dunn to trade? Philly wants him if next years draft is so awesome would you trade Dunn for our Lakers pick dice roll?

BC is not the most patient but he understands the value of delayed gratification. Dennis Smith, Ball, Fultz, Nikitana,Fox are all better PG prospects than Dunn especially considering his age and undisclosed medical records. We don't get a do over for wasting Double Agent Nashty's parting present

[8on]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWociaGHGbs[/youtube]

H can SHOOT! whew.

[carey]

Ulis is a 2nd round pick. He will be there at #28 and should still be there at #34. You dont blow a #13 pick on a medically red flagged Sophomore PG under 6 feet tall.

What's the red flag? I must have missed it. That explains why DX dropped him from early 20s all the way to #34.

[bwgood77]

NBAdraft,net New Mock


Philly: Simmons
LA: Ingram
Boston: Hield
Suns: Dunn
Minny: Chriss
NO: Murray
Den: Bender
Sac: Sabonis
Toronto: Brown

They never take team needs or players not working out into account, and just slot them in how they rank them.

[saintEscaton]

Ulis is a 2nd round pick. He will be there at #28 and should still be there at #34. You dont blow a #13 pick on a medically red flagged Sophomore PG under 6 feet tall.

What's the red flag? I must have missed it. That explains why DX dropped him from early 20s all the way to #34.

Hip issues
http://www.kentucky.com/sports/college/kentucky-sports/ex-cats/article83796892.html#storylink=cpy

[Kerrsed]

Kentucky guard Tyler Ulis is said to have a pretty significant hip issue, which some believe may require surgery down the line. A medical red flag combined with his size, Ulis could slide deep into the first round or even over into the second depending on how team medical staffs view his situation.

http://kentucky.247sports.com/Bolt/Tyler-Ulis-draft-stock-sliding-over-hip-issue-45807395

[bwgood77]

so it looks like most people here want Bender.

uhhh.....why? can somebody tell me what they like about him?

#hield #ellenson #maybechriss #notbender

It's been discussed ad nauseam but to make it short, 7'1, perimeter defense, excellent passing, 3 pt shooting, shot blocking, very tough player, hard work ethic, high bbiq, youngest player in the draft like Booker, comparisons to Draymond Green. Higher projected WARP than any european ever other than Rubio and higher than pretty much everyone in this draft including Ingram, and quite a bit higher there.

Some people don't like him because he didn't play a lot of minutes or score a lot of points. Though Booker only played a little more than 20 minutes a game last year at Kentucky, only scoring 10 ppg, with 2 boards, 1 assist and .4 steal per game, so sometimes reading into a young guys total production on a competitive team might not work out in your favor if you put too much stock into it.

[8on]

so it looks like most people here want Bender.

uhhh.....why? can somebody tell me what they like about him?

#hield #ellenson #maybechriss #notbender

It's been discussed ad nauseam but to make it short, 7'1, perimeter defense, excellent passing, 3 pt shooting, shot blocking, very tough player, hard work ethic, high bbiq, youngest player in the draft like Booker, comparisons to Draymond Green. Higher projected WARP than any european ever other than Rubio and higher than pretty much everyone in this draft including Ingram, and quite a bit higher there.

Some people don't like him because he didn't play a lot of minutes or score a lot of points. Though Booker only played a little more than 20 minutes a game last year, only scoring 10 ppg, with 2 boards, 1 assist and .4 steal per game, so sometimes reading into a young guys total production on a competitive team might not work out in your favor if you put too much stock into it.

someone already defended him, and a couple posts up from here, i re-iterated my conclusions.

i'd like to believe in him, but after watching the Mike Schmitz video again, i find myself even more afraid of the prospect of picking Bender.

hate to pull a Trump here, but i guess it's time to be that guy: if we pick Bender, McD will lose his job, and our next playoff appearance will be prolonged another 5 years. this kid is the bust of the draft, and i highly doubt he will be as good as Porzingis will be. honestly, though, i think we're too smart to pick him. Ellenson is better at everything in which Bender claims to be "improving."

[bwgood77]

the idea that this guy will be good at anything in the league is a nice fantasy, but there's no proof of it.

You could say that about any prospect.

[bwgood77]

so it looks like most people here want Bender.

uhhh.....why? can somebody tell me what they like about him?

#hield #ellenson #maybechriss #notbender

It's been discussed ad nauseam but to make it short, 7'1, perimeter defense, excellent passing, 3 pt shooting, shot blocking, very tough player, hard work ethic, high bbiq, youngest player in the draft like Booker, comparisons to Draymond Green. Higher projected WARP than any european ever other than Rubio and higher than pretty much everyone in this draft including Ingram, and quite a bit higher there.

Some people don't like him because he didn't play a lot of minutes or score a lot of points. Though Booker only played a little more than 20 minutes a game last year, only scoring 10 ppg, with 2 boards, 1 assist and .4 steal per game, so sometimes reading into a young guys total production on a competitive team might not work out in your favor if you put too much stock into it.

someone already defended him, and a couple posts up from here, i re-iterated my conclusions.

i'd like to believe in him, but after watching the Mike Schmitz video again, i find myself even more afraid of the prospect of picking Bender.

hate to pull a Trump here, but i guess it's time to be that guy: if we pick Bender, McD will lose his job, and our next playoff appearance will be prolonged another 5 years. this kid is the bust of the draft, and i highly doubt he will be as good as Porzingis will be. honestly, though, i think we're too smart to pick him. Ellenson is better at everything in which Bender claims to be "improving."

What does Porzingis have to do with it? They are not exactly similar.