College basketball and 2017 draft - One more poll after last game

[DirtyDez]

Fox top-5 talk is asinine. I say that very well knowing he could outplay Ball on Friday.

[carey]

At #5 I ransom Markkanen to a team that wants him (there will be many) and I trade down while picking up an asset. It would be nice to pick up 2 late lotto picks or a pick in the 8-10 range and a young prospect. I'd take Robert Williams or Isaac.

Another scenario would be packaging #5 and Bledsoe to Sacramento for their 2 picks and taking Smith/Fox and then one of Isaac/Williams.

Or maybe you dump Knight on Sacramento and in the process move down from 5 to 8. Just some thoughts. There's some interesting guys to sign like Rudy Gay or Taj Gibson. I'd let Len walk in this scenario and try to trade Chandler was well. You could also take big swings at Serge or Blake if you wanted to.

Bledsoe/Ulis
Booker/?
Warren/Bender
Chriss/Taj
R. Williams/Big Saurce

or

Bledsoe/Ulis
Booker/?
Warren/Isaac
Chriss/Bender
Chandler/Big Sauce

[Mulhollanddrive]

Two PG prospects (per 40):

Player A - 20 points, 7 assists, 5 rebounds / 50% two, 35% three, 71% FT / 112 O-Rating, 109 D-Rating
Player B - 22 points 6 assists, 5 rebounds / 51% two, 23% three, 73% FT / 112 O-Rating, 96 D-Rating

A has 7x the amount of votes as B.

Spoiler:

A - Dennis Smith, B - DeAaron Fox

[MrMiyagi]

Two PG prospects (per 40):

Player A - 20 points, 7 assists, 5 rebounds / 50% two, 35% three, 71% FT / 112 O-Rating, 109 D-Rating
Player B - 22 points 6 assists, 5 rebounds / 51% two, 23% three, 73% FT / 112 O-Rating, 96 D-Rating

A has 7x the amount of votes as B.

Spoiler:

A - Dennis Smith, B - DeAaron Fox

Two more PG prospects (per 40):

Player C - 26.2 points, 8.7 assists, 4.7 rebounds / 45% two, 38% three, 81% FT / 118 O-Rating, 108 D-Rating
Player D - 18.6 points, 7.0 assists, 5.5 rebounds / 50% two, 38% three, 80% FT / 126 O-Rating, 103 D-Rating

Spoiler:

C - Jawun Evans Oklahoma State, D - Monte Morris Iowa State both projected as 2nd rounders

[AtheJ415]

At #5 I ransom Markkanen to a team that wants him (there will be many) and I trade down while picking up an asset. It would be nice to pick up 2 late lotto picks or a pick in the 8-10 range and a young prospect. I'd take Robert Williams or Isaac.

Another scenario would be packaging #5 and Bledsoe to Sacramento for their 2 picks and taking Smith/Fox and then one of Isaac/Williams.

Or maybe you dump Knight on Sacramento and in the process move down from 5 to 8. Just some thoughts. There's some interesting guys to sign like Rudy Gay or Taj Gibson. I'd let Len walk in this scenario and try to trade Chandler was well. You could also take big swings at Serge or Blake if you wanted to.

Bledsoe/Ulis
Booker/?
Warren/Bender
Chriss/Taj
R. Williams/Big Saurce

or

Bledsoe/Ulis
Booker/?
Warren/Isaac
Chriss/Bender
Chandler/Big Sauce

Option 2 is such a gross undersell on Bledsoe imo. 5th is worth more than 7 (where Sac likely is if we are 5), and so basically you are saying Bledsoe plus that drop is worth the 9th pick.

[TOO]

Two PG prospects (per 40):

Player A - 20 points, 7 assists, 5 rebounds / 50% two, 35% three, 71% FT / 112 O-Rating, 109 D-Rating
Player B - 22 points 6 assists, 5 rebounds / 51% two, 23% three, 73% FT / 112 O-Rating, 96 D-Rating

A has 7x the amount of votes as B.

Spoiler:

A - Dennis Smith, B - DeAaron Fox

Two more PG prospects (per 40):

Player C - 26.2 points, 8.7 assists, 4.7 rebounds / 45% two, 38% three, 81% FT / 118 O-Rating, 108 D-Rating
Player D - 18.6 points, 7.0 assists, 5.5 rebounds / 50% two, 38% three, 80% FT / 126 O-Rating, 103 D-Rating

Spoiler:

C - Jawun Evans Oklahoma State, D - Monte Morris Iowa State both projected as 2nd rounders

Not sure I get the point here. Lots of guys put up stats in college, and per 40 is an awful metric, nobody plays 40 minutes anymore. Smith and Fox are incredible athletes, these dudes have too many limitations, hence the 2nd round projections.

[Christine-In-AZ]

I went to tankathon the other day and my third simulation rolled this...



...I've no idea how the conspiracy theorists would spin that outcome, but good chance we'd see one traditional draft day gif early this year

[MrMiyagi]

Two PG prospects (per 40):

Player A - 20 points, 7 assists, 5 rebounds / 50% two, 35% three, 71% FT / 112 O-Rating, 109 D-Rating
Player B - 22 points 6 assists, 5 rebounds / 51% two, 23% three, 73% FT / 112 O-Rating, 96 D-Rating

A has 7x the amount of votes as B.

Spoiler:

A - Dennis Smith, B - DeAaron Fox

Two more PG prospects (per 40):

Player C - 26.2 points, 8.7 assists, 4.7 rebounds / 45% two, 38% three, 81% FT / 118 O-Rating, 108 D-Rating
Player D - 18.6 points, 7.0 assists, 5.5 rebounds / 50% two, 38% three, 80% FT / 126 O-Rating, 103 D-Rating

Spoiler:

C - Jawun Evans Oklahoma State, D - Monte Morris Iowa State both projected as 2nd rounders

Not sure I get the point here. Lots of guys put up stats in college, and per 40 is an awful metric, nobody plays 40 minutes anymore. Smith and Fox are incredible athletes, these dudes have too many limitations, hence the 2nd round projections.

See the bold.

But also basketball is a game of skill, not just athleticism. Jawun Evans is a very skilled player. He may not be an elite athlete with elite size, but he's a darn good ball player who I'd rather select in round 2 over De'Aaron Fox/Dennis Smith Jr. at the top of round 1. Devin Booker isn't an elite athlete, but he's become a damn fine NBA player. I bet teams like Orlando (Mario Hezonja), Sacramento (Willie Cauley-Stein), Denver (Emmanuel Mudiay) and Detroit (Stanley Johnson) who took players who were considered to have much better physical tools than Booker, but haven't really shown improved skill would rather have Devin right now.

And I'm note even sure Smith and Fox are good enough athletes to have distinct advantages at the NBA level. I also do not think Jawun Evans is a poor enough athlete to have a distinct disadvantage at the NBA level.

Monte Morris I just threw in as another 2nd round point guard, looking in to him further, he isn't terribly enticing, but I still really like Evans.

[carey]

2 is such a gross undersell on Bledsoe imo. 5th is worth more than 7 (where Sac likely is if we are 5), and so basically you are saying Bledsoe plus that drop is worth the 9th pick.

It's Bledsoe and #5 for #6 and #8 which I think is fair but I could see people valuing Bledsoe more. Also I didn't really consider what teams would be jumping us to push us down to #5. Maybe they jump them also and it's more like Bledsoe and #5 for #8 and #10. I think Isaac and Williams are there but Smith is gone. In this scenario you'd better really like Ntilikina.

[carey]

But also basketball is a game of skill, not just athleticism. Jawun Evans is a very skilled player. He may not be an elite athlete with elite size, but he's a darn good ball player who I'd rather select in round 2 over De'Aaron Fox/Dennis Smith Jr. at the top of round 1.

I'm with you on Evans. Someone at .net said he looks like Chris Paul from when he was at Wake Forest. I've not seen a lot of tape of him (just highlight videos which aren't all that reliable,) but he is an intriguing prospect. Especially if you get him in the 2nd round. That said, if you're going to replace Bledsoe or even Ulis it needs to be with a can't miss prospect like Fultz or Ball. I've warmed up to Smith over the season but even still I'm not sure about him at the next level. He's the bad body language king that gives up on a lot of plays.

[Qwigglez]

I went to tankathon the other day and my third simulation rolled this...



...I've no idea how the conspiracy theorists would spin that outcome, but good chance we'd see one traditional draft day gif early this year

Easy...
MJ owns the Hornets, Blazers didn't take MJ in '84. Wolves need more talent around Wiggins/KAT.

[darealjuice]

Read on Twitter

Pretty sure we have some Robert Williams fans on here, but it looks like he's leaning toward another year in college before going pro even though he's projected as a lottery pick on a lot of draft sites. Hopefully he doesn't pull an Ivan Rabb and drop out of lottery projections by disappointing his sophomore year after betting on himself, because I think he should get the money while he can, especially with next year's big man class and other developmental big men potentially staying another year (Jarrett Allen, Ike Anigbogu, Zach Collins, etc.).

[kennydorglas]

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Pretty sure we have some Robert Williams fans on here, but it looks like he's leaning toward another year in college before going pro even though he's projected as a lottery pick on a lot of draft sites. Hopefully he doesn't pull an Ivan Rabb and drop out of lottery projections by disappointing his sophomore year after betting on himself, because I think he should get the money while he can, especially with next year's big man class and other developmental big men potentially staying another year (Jarrett Allen, Ike Anigbogu, Zach Collins, etc.).

Yeah, he wants to be a #1 pick in draft that will probably feature Ayton and Mamba
Gotta love his confidence, tho.

[Saberestar]

Watching Josh Jackson and I am not impressed. He reminds me of a bigger DeAndre Bembry from the Hawks for his playing (and his fro TBH).

He does not have an strong frame and his shooting is average at best.

His free thow shooting at 57% is stricktly bad and this is bad indicator for his future overall shooting.

He is one year older than a lot of freshman, he has some off the court issues and I am afraid of Kansas players because a lot of them have been terrible in the NBA in the last few years.

[bhawk]

Watching Josh Jackson and I am not impressed. He reminds me of a bigger DeAndre Bembry from the Hawks for his playing (and his fro TBH).

He does not have an strong frame and his shooting is average at best.

His free thow shooting at 57% is stricktly bad and this is bad indicator for his future overall shooting.

He is one year older than a lot of freshman, he has some off the court issues and I am afraid of Kansas players because a lot of them have been terrible in the NBA in the last few years.

I am kinda with you on Jackson. His is a GREAT college player, but will only be GOOD in the NBA. I love his passion and energy, but I'm just not sure that he will have the same success against NBA-level athletes. I like the physical profiles of Tatum, Williams and Issac better and think there is more potential and upside with these 3 players.

Now I'm a sucker for passion, work-ethic, love-of-the-game, will-to-win type players... so I may change course on Jackson if he checks these boxes... there plenty of time before the draft to debate.

What really excites me in this draft is Ball. He is a unicorn-unique talent. A 6.6 point guard with great IQ and vision - YES PLEASE. He is a generational talent and will be a perennial all-star. I know there are questions about his shot, but he is really smart about getting clean looks - thanks to his BBIQ and vision. No mid-range game... that's okay... right now he looks to either drive or dish. I hate his distracting father and do reserve the right to change course on Ball if he turns out to be a SHOW-ME-THE-MONEY jerk-off.

[bhawk]

Read on Twitter

Pretty sure we have some Robert Williams fans on here, but it looks like he's leaning toward another year in college before going pro even though he's projected as a lottery pick on a lot of draft sites. Hopefully he doesn't pull an Ivan Rabb and drop out of lottery projections by disappointing his sophomore year after betting on himself, because I think he should get the money while he can, especially with next year's big man class and other developmental big men potentially staying another year (Jarrett Allen, Ike Anigbogu, Zach Collins, etc.).

Yeah, he wants to be a #1 pick in draft that will probably feature Ayton and Mamba
Gotta love his confidence, tho.

Sucks about Williams... I really like his physical profile and abilities.

[kennydorglas]

Two players declared to the draft today:

Jawun Evans (looked better as a 19yo tho, still a good prospect)
5 wins as an underdog (important for a PG)

Spoiler:

Tyler Lydon (hard player to project, doesnt have a blatant flaw, neither a great skill too)

SF

Spoiler:

PF

Spoiler:

[darealjuice]

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/markelle-fultz-nba-draft-scouting-report-and-video-analysis-5832/

New DX scouting report on Fultz with strength and weakness videos posted today

[Mr Puddles]

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Pretty sure we have some Robert Williams fans on here, but it looks like he's leaning toward another year in college before going pro even though he's projected as a lottery pick on a lot of draft sites. Hopefully he doesn't pull an Ivan Rabb and drop out of lottery projections by disappointing his sophomore year after betting on himself, because I think he should get the money while he can, especially with next year's big man class and other developmental big men potentially staying another year (Jarrett Allen, Ike Anigbogu, Zach Collins, etc.).

Yeah, he wants to be a #1 pick in draft that will probably feature Ayton and Mamba
Gotta love his confidence, tho.

Sucks about Williams... I really like his physical profile and abilities.

Isn't that a positive then? Maybe you guys are more confident about the 2017-2018 season then I am but we'll potentially have 2 lottery picks next year. If we draft a PG this year, then in '18 we'll have our pick of :

• Ayton, Mamba, Williams, Carter as bigs
• and Doncic as a potential SF

to fill remaining holes in our roster

[Mulhollanddrive]

Team that needs a defensive big may be more willing to trade their pick for Len or Chandler without Williams in the draft.

Also it takes away a prospect for a Bledsoe trade, looking at SF / PF / C in the 6-12 range, maybe Isaac and Markkanen are the ones left.