The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 2

[Ghost of Kleine]

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[BobbieL]

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Harrison Barnes and they need a future FRP besides 14

But one thing… a lot of smoke about SAS.. is that noise to cover the truth ?

[thamadkant]

If Spurs are including Sochan, then Suns should offload him to another team for a future top 10 protected pick or similar.

He's OK, but Suns need a proper defensive front court who will impact even without scoring.

[dremill24]

If Spurs are including Sochan, then Suns should offload him to another team for a future top 10 protected pick or similar.

He's OK, but Suns need a proper defensive front court who will impact even without scoring.

I mean...thats kinda all he is at this point. Solid defender who is kind of a negative on offense

[bullsaficianado]

Spurs deal for KD is likely Vassell, Sochan, Barnes, #14 for this upcoming draft and two future 1st rounders and maybe 3 future second round picks. Get the KD trade over with than spend the whole summer trying to trade Beal.

[bullsaficianado]

Possible starting lineup for next season:
Vassell
Booker
Richards
Sochan
Barnes

[bullsaficianado]

If Spurs are including Sochan, then Suns should offload him to another team for a future top 10 protected pick or similar.

He's OK, but Suns need a proper defensive front court who will impact even without scoring.

I mean...thats kinda all he is at this point. Solid defender who is a negative on offense

Dude can score.

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[KdoubleDees23]

If Spurs are including Sochan, then Suns should offload him to another team for a future top 10 protected pick or similar.

He's OK, but Suns need a proper defensive front court who will impact even without scoring.

I like Sochan! He hustles, plays hard, and is a great teamate to have. I think we should take Vassell, and our later pick , trade it for a Center or PG.

[bullsaficianado]

I think we should take Vassell, and our later pick , trade it for a Center or PG.

Sure if we plan on just starting Beal. We are likely stuck with him anyway unless there is a buyout. Otherwise I like a Booker and Vassell backcourt.

[lilfishi22]

I'd only want him as an expiring contract that we could buy out and then stretch the remaining money for 3 or 5 yrs to cumulatively create more cap flexibility. Or maybe trade him elsewhere to a team that's desperate for a center option for a late 1st or a couple of 2nds?

I don't know what your fascination is with the instant gratification of a waive and stretch. You've made the same case for Nurk. That's two guys you could literally hang onto for a season and you have the full $12-19m completely come off the books with no skeletons moving forward.

I'm really fine with either path man. I only mention it because people make such a big deal out of the premise of trading for either player despite the consideration of the underlying value as an expiring contract.

Now I could reasonably see either fill a role off our bench or get sent home and not even be a consideration. I honestly have no animosity towards either player. And of course having clean books is optimal after a season.


HOWEVER, If we don't actually have a trade planned for the acquisition of a starting center and/ or guard, it occurs to me that having that kind of immediate reduction/ flexibility for this very summer when you have centers like Brook Lopez, Myles Turner, Clint Capela and Steven Adams hitting unrestricted free agency,

Being able to generate the necessary cap space to sign one of those centers or a center and a guard might be worth it for us. But I'm also not at all opposed to sitting on those players for 1 yr and then being completely free and clear as I'm one of the original people (along with Bobbi L) to suggest it with Beal and in trades taking back players like MPJr, Randle, KCP, and others, etc.

The buyout/ stretch premise was really just mentioned to point out that it is a viable option to create more immediate cap flexibility if there's a target for us in free agency this summer. Nothing much beyond that.

But that's what I don't understand. Why do you see a need to muddy our books just to free up cap space or more likely a TP-MLE to get a starting C/PG? We're also not likely to clear enough space even with a stretched Beal to be players for most of the guys you've listed who will likely cost more than the TP-MLE

I just don't see the point really of jeopardising our path towards clean books (which is like a season away) just to bring in a starting C/PG for the short term. That's just irresponsible.

[Qwigglez]

I’d do #14 and one of the Atlanta picks.

That seems like selling low for a player that averaged over 26 points, 6 rebounds, and 4 assists. I get that Durant is older, but he's a generational player that will likely still average over 25 points a game on incredible efficiency over the next 2 to 3 seasons.

Probably but #2 is also an overpay for a 37 year old. A 2-3 year window that isn't a guaranteed contender is not worth the #2 in most drafts.

Yeah, I get that the #2 is an overpay for a 37-year-old. But trading KD for the #14th pick isn't the answer either if you are trying to retool around Booker.

[bullsaficianado]

If you look at previous NBA drafts the 14th pick isn't bad some of the better NBA players in todays NBA were picked past 10 in previous NBA drafts. Shai was the 11th pick.

[Jesus_H_Macy]

Possible starting lineup for next season:
Vassell
Booker
Richards
Sochan
Barnes

Perfect squad for tanking....too bad we don't own our pick next year...

[Ghost of Kleine]

I don't know what your fascination is with the instant gratification of a waive and stretch. You've made the same case for Nurk. That's two guys you could literally hang onto for a season and you have the full $12-19m completely come off the books with no skeletons moving forward.

I'm really fine with either path man. I only mention it because people make such a big deal out of the premise of trading for either player despite the consideration of the underlying value as an expiring contract.

Now I could reasonably see either fill a role off our bench or get sent home and not even be a consideration. I honestly have no animosity towards either player. And of course having clean books is optimal after a season.


HOWEVER, If we don't actually have a trade planned for the acquisition of a starting center and/ or guard, it occurs to me that having that kind of immediate reduction/ flexibility for this very summer when you have centers like Brook Lopez, Myles Turner, Clint Capela and Steven Adams hitting unrestricted free agency,

Being able to generate the necessary cap space to sign one of those centers or a center and a guard might be worth it for us. But I'm also not at all opposed to sitting on those players for 1 yr and then being completely free and clear as I'm one of the original people (along with Bobbi L) to suggest it with Beal and in trades taking back players like MPJr, Randle, KCP, and others, etc.

The buyout/ stretch premise was really just mentioned to point out that it is a viable option to create more immediate cap flexibility if there's a target for us in free agency this summer. Nothing much beyond that.

But that's what I don't understand. Why do you see a need to muddy our books just to free up cap space or more likely a TP-MLE to get a starting C/PG? We're also not likely to clear enough space even with a stretched Beal to be players for most of the guys you've listed who will likely cost more than the TP-MLE

I just don't see the point really of jeopardising our path towards clean books (which is like a season away) just to bring in a starting C/PG for the short term. That's just irresponsible.

It really just depends upon the full spectrum of moves we do man. We can't truly have an accurate number without knowing the full logistics of the trades we might do in entirety this summer. But the cap flexibility would/ could be cumulative.

And the reason would be for the premise that I've already mentioned with the unrestricted free agent centers we could reasonably sign if we created a solid amount of cap flexibility this summer. Same would apply towards a vet guard option in free agency too.

Now obviously we're nowhere near contending in the next couple of years regardless. However, with not likely getting a Houston deal for our picks back, it might at least be responsible to try and become better in the next two seasons if possible. And that theoretical amount you're mentioning for example ( if stretched over 5 yrs) would be:

Nurkic 19 million: 3.8 million.
Robinson 14.5 million: 2.9 million.

So considering the cap increases, etc. Do you really expect 2-3 million to hinder our moves that significantly. The premise of calling such moves as irresponsible is subjective depending on the outcome of what we can accomplish by generating such cap flexibility and the impact it might afford us absent our picks back anyways

[Blonde]

Dunn & Sochan has to be the least offensively talented forward duo in the association.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Dunn & Sochan has to be the least offensively talented forward duo in the assiciation.

But on the other end of the spectrum, the potential to become an elite energizing defensive duo together.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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[Mr Puddles]

If you look at previous NBA drafts the 14th pick isn't bad some of the better NBA players in todays NBA were picked past 10 in previous NBA drafts. Shai was the 11th pick.

Looking at the 13-15 pick range in the past 10 drafts, there's definitely a lot of gems in there: Booker, Mitchell, Bam, Herro, Duren, Nesmith, MPJ, Dick, Ware - based on a small 10 year benchmark I'd say there's about 50% chance of ending up with a quality rotation player or above, with about a 10-15% chance of ended up and an all star caliber player.

Pretty good odds when you consider rookie contract scale and control.

2015:

• #13: Devin Booker (Suns)
• #14: Cameron Payne (Thunder)
• #15: Kelly Oubre Jr. (Hawks)

2016:

• #13: Georgios Papagiannis (Suns)
• #14: Denzel Valentine (Bulls)
• #15: Juan Hernangomez (Nuggets)

2017:

• #13: Donovan Mitchell (Nuggets)
• #14: Bam Adebayo (Heat)
• #15: Justin Jackson (Trail Blazers)

2018:

• #13: Jerome Robinson (Clippers)
• #14: Michael Porter Jr. (Nuggets)
• #15: Troy Brown Jr. (Wizards)

2019:

• #13: Tyler Herro (Heat)
• #14: Romeo Langford (Celtics)
• #15: Sekou Doumbouya (Pistons)

2020:

• #13: Kira Lewis Jr. (Pelicans)
• #14: Aaron Nesmith (Celtics)
• #15: Cole Anthony (Magic)

2021:

• #13: Chris Duarte (Pacers)
• #14: Moses Moody (Warriors)
• #15: Corey Kispert (Wizards)

2022:

• #13: Jalen Duren (Hornets/Pistons)
• #14: Ochai Agbaji (Cavaliers)
• #15: Mark Williams (Hornets)

2023:

• #13: Gradey Dick (Raptors)
• #14: Jordan Hawkins (Pelicans)
• #15: Kobe Bufkin (Hawks)

2024:

• #13: Devin Carter (Kings)
• #14: Carlton Carrington (Trail Blazers/Wizards)
• #15: Kel'el Ware (Heat)

[Saberestar]

That seems like selling low for a player that averaged over 26 points, 6 rebounds, and 4 assists. I get that Durant is older, but he's a generational player that will likely still average over 25 points a game on incredible efficiency over the next 2 to 3 seasons.

Probably but #2 is also an overpay for a 37 year old. A 2-3 year window that isn't a guaranteed contender is not worth the #2 in most drafts.

Yeah, I get that the #2 is an overpay for a 37-year-old. But trading KD for the #14th pick isn't the answer either if you are trying to retool around Booker.

The right price can be somewhat in the middle ground.

They don't want to trade any of Wemby, Fox, Castle and Harper...OK, we can accept it IF they give us future picks.

Two options for them:

1) Vassell, Barnes, #14 and 3 unprotected FRPs.

2) Vassell, Barnes, Sochan, #14 and 2 unprotected FRPs.

There are too many teams interested in KD and there are gonna be a bidding war in the next 2 weeks. It seems that KD is OK going to different places so that give us some leverage.

[thamadkant]

If Spurs are including Sochan, then Suns should offload him to another team for a future top 10 protected pick or similar.

He's OK, but Suns need a proper defensive front court who will impact even without scoring.

I mean...thats kinda all he is at this point. Solid defender who is kind of a negative on offense

I'm thinking more like Ausar Thompson or Amen Thompson potential forward. A game changer defender, not an average to above average tweener playing four. Need a rim protector.... Marion version 2