College basketball and 2017 draft - One more poll after last game

[darealjuice]

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Jarrett Allen going to go through the draft process. He needs to put muscle on that frame and refine his game, but he has so much potential because of his length and mobility. DX has him late lottery, and I could see him being a top 10 pick if he impresses in workouts. I personally think he can be better than Robert Williams.

[Mulhollanddrive]

If I were a team that needed a Center I'd trade the pick for Chandler or Len than select Allen, or maybe it's wishful thinking.

[sunsbum]

I want ball. You could even put him in a small ball lineup at the 2 sometimes.

Ulis
Ball
Booker
Bender
Quess

Suck me beatiful

[kennydorglas]

Ivan Rabb declared to the draft.
Of course he lost several millions by staying another year in college.

Spoiler:

[WeekapaugGroove]

For what's regarded as such a good top of the draft it's kind of crazy how polarizing most of the top prospects are. Even among the "draft experts" there are some very different opinions of these guys. Ball most of all, people seem to just love or hate the dude.

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[Blackification]

For what's regarded as such a good top of the draft it's kind of crazy how polarizing most of the top prospects are. Even among the "draft experts" there are some very different opinions of these guys. Ball most of all, people seem to just love or hate the dude.

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That's a good point, I think Markelle is pretty consistently praised from what i've read, but after that its really a toss up between some of the other guys.

What ever happened to DSJ? He was hyped but isn't being mentioned much anymore

[Mulhollanddrive]

I think it's mainly Ball and Jackson.

On playing style and numbers they compare to some pretty bad busts, but if they're rated as the best at what they do then they would outliers in the same way Nash (pass first PG) and Leonard (defensive wing) became top 5 players despite there being very few star players like them in history.

[Villalobos]

I wonder how set the FO are about trading Bledsoe if we pick a PG.

Their history suggests they don't mind having 3-4 guys compete and figure it out later.

Can you imagine how annoying LaVar Ball would be if Lonzo played behind Bledsoe for a year? Dude would never shut up.

[MrMiyagi]

I think it's mainly Ball and Jackson.

On playing style and numbers they compare to some pretty bad busts, but if they're rated as the best at what they do then they would outliers in the same way Nash (pass first PG) and Leonard (defensive wing) became top 5 players despite there being very few star players like them in history.

Examples?

[jcsunsfan]

For what's regarded as such a good top of the draft it's kind of crazy how polarizing most of the top prospects are. Even among the "draft experts" there are some very different opinions of these guys. Ball most of all, people seem to just love or hate the dude.

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I haven't heard of any real pundits who hate Ball. He is considered a top 2 player in this draft for a reason.

[lilfishi22]

I wonder how set the FO are about trading Bledsoe if we pick a PG.

Their history suggests they don't mind having 3-4 guys compete and figure it out later.

Can you imagine how annoying LaVar Ball would be if Lonzo played behind Bledsoe for a year? Dude would never shut up.

Not that I'm a fan of Ball regardless but having LaVar snaking his way onto the team somehow is one thing I want to avoid.

I can't stand the guy. Someone please educate me on this LaVar Ball character. Who is LaVar Ball?

[MrMiyagi]

For what's regarded as such a good top of the draft it's kind of crazy how polarizing most of the top prospects are. Even among the "draft experts" there are some very different opinions of these guys. Ball most of all, people seem to just love or hate the dude.

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I haven't heard of any real pundits who hate Ball. He is considered a top 2 player in this draft for a reason.

I actually think that Fultz, Ball and Jackson are all highly touted, it's just a matter of opinion who is best - which doesn't mean they're polarizing, just that people prefer different things. If these prospects were polarizing, they'd be ranked incredibly high by some and incredibly low by others.

[Christine-In-AZ]

We need to quit worrying about trading Knight. If he is a negative asset, we just waive him. We are below the salary floor, there is no need to dump salary. We are going to have to pay it anyway.

There are trades possibilities for making this untrue and there will be great value in making this untrue relatively soon. Having 14-15 million of dead salary for 3 more seasons will become a huge problem. Discussing what trades could cure this pending issue for the Suns I think can be interesting...keep the ideas coming is my opinion.

Knight/PHX #33/TOR 2018 2nd

for

Brooklyn's A.Nicholson/2019 2nd (top 55 protected)

So sexy!

[Christine-In-AZ]

No, you'd be really hard pressed to find anyone that wouldn't take Ball top 10 and this is a very talented top 10. Nobody "hates" him. The argument comes about when he's sometimes described as simply amazing or something to the effect of a "once in a 10 year talent". I have major questions about his game translating into him becoming an NBA star...like top 12-15 star, still I'd be surprised if he doesn't become at a minimum a very solid (unique) NBA player...talkin' like in the top 25 to 50 range. I have him at about #8 on my board right now. If that qualifies as hate, I plead guilty.

Hatin' Dave King from BSotS has him at #5 and here's some of what he wrote yesterday if you missed it-

Lonzo Ball is a unicorn in that people can imagine this incredibly good long-range shooter, Nash-like distributor and stifling defender all in one. Something that just doesn’t exist quite this way in the NBA in its current form. But I honestly don’t see it getting that good for him.

To me, he’s Jason Kidd or Ricky Rubio, but without the defense (doesn’t slide well on D), has zero offensive game besides long threes and layups/dunks. Even and those areas are suspect - some think he’ll have trouble getting the jumper off in the NBA, and in the paint he doesn’t take contact well. This might be harsh, but in my opinion he's more a rich man’s Kendall Marshall.

Fit in Phoenix: Sigh. I think the Suns would be hard-pressed to not take Ball if he’s on the board with their pick, no matter where the pick lands after the lottery. So he might end up next to Booker in one of the most porous back courts in memory.

Like with Fultz, you’d have to trade Eric Bledsoe to fit him in to Phoenix as the starter where he belongs. He’s got star power and the offense would hum. But I personally would pass. I just can’t get on the Ball hype train. His game reminds me way too much of Ricky Rubio, yet Rubio can at least play super defense. I know I’m jaded. I had a bad experience trying to be a fan of Kendall Marshall, who also had supreme confidence in himself, but couldn’t get his shot off in the NBA, couldn’t keep up defensively and had a super-fan dad who didn’t help matters.

Likelihood: I’m going to frustrate some people and say 5% chance, if BSotS has a say in it. I’d only take Ball if Fultz and Josh Jackson are off the board. And I’d take the whole 15 minutes deciding between him, Isaac, Tatum and even D’Aaron Fox.
http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2017/3/22/14676024/top-5-prospects-fit-phoenix-suns-fultz-ball-jackson-tatum-isaac

[janmagn]

I think that the Ball comparison as rich man's Kendall Marshall is the best I've heard so far

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[bwgood77]

No, you'd be really hard pressed to find anyone that wouldn't take Ball top 10 and this is a very talented top 10. Nobody "hates" him. The argument comes about when he's sometimes described as simply amazing or something to the effect of a "once in a 10 year talent". I have major questions about his game translating into him becoming an NBA star...like top 12-15 star, still I'd be surprised if he doesn't become at a minimum a very solid (unique) NBA player...talkin' like in the top 25 to 50 range. I have him at about #8 on my board right now. If that qualifies as hate, I plead guilty.

Hatin' Dave King from BSotS has him at #5 and here's some of what he wrote yesterday if you missed it-

Lonzo Ball is a unicorn in that people can imagine this incredibly good long-range shooter, Nash-like distributor and stifling defender all in one. Something that just doesn’t exist quite this way in the NBA in its current form. But I honestly don’t see it getting that good for him.

To me, he’s Jason Kidd or Ricky Rubio, but without the defense (doesn’t slide well on D), has zero offensive game besides long threes and layups/dunks. Even and those areas are suspect - some think he’ll have trouble getting the jumper off in the NBA, and in the paint he doesn’t take contact well. This might be harsh, but in my opinion he's more a rich man’s Kendall Marshall.

Fit in Phoenix: Sigh. I think the Suns would be hard-pressed to not take Ball if he’s on the board with their pick, no matter where the pick lands after the lottery. So he might end up next to Booker in one of the most porous back courts in memory.

Like with Fultz, you’d have to trade Eric Bledsoe to fit him in to Phoenix as the starter where he belongs. He’s got star power and the offense would hum. But I personally would pass. I just can’t get on the Ball hype train. His game reminds me way too much of Ricky Rubio, yet Rubio can at least play super defense. I know I’m jaded. I had a bad experience trying to be a fan of Kendall Marshall, who also had supreme confidence in himself, but couldn’t get his shot off in the NBA, couldn’t keep up defensively and had a super-fan dad who didn’t help matters.

Likelihood: I’m going to frustrate some people and say 5% chance, if BSotS has a say in it. I’d only take Ball if Fultz and Josh Jackson are off the board. And I’d take the whole 15 minutes deciding between him, Isaac, Tatum and even D’Aaron Fox.
http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2017/3/22/14676024/top-5-prospects-fit-phoenix-suns-fultz-ball-jackson-tatum-isaac

Sounds like Dave King has been reading gaspar's posts here. I'm pretty sure he compared him to Kendall Marshall weeks ago.

So you're saying you'd be surprised if he didn't become a top 25 or 50 player in the entire NBA but he's #8 on your board? I know this is a strong draft, but wow, you figure 7 other guys will be top 25 players in the league?

[bwgood77]

3. Phoenix: SF Josh Jackson
Freshman
Age: 20
Ht./Wt.: 6-8/203
Kansas

The Suns could use an injection of toughness, unselfishness, athleticism and defensive intensity on the wing. Jackson provides all of those things, as well as positional versatility with the ability to operate anywhere from shooting guard to power forward. His red-hot shooting over the past two months has eased some of the concerns about his lack of range, which is considered the biggest flaw in his profile.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/the-vertical-mock-draft-version-2-0-135637001.html

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[RaisingArizona]

Fultz, Jackson, Ball, Issac, Tatum. Whoever is left at 5 is who we'd take assuming we have **** luck again.

[WeekapaugGroove]

The ball kendall marshall comp is a little harsh because marshall simply wasn't as good of a shooter in college and his lack of a 3pt shot really killed him as a pro. Now its fair in the sense that these pass first floor general type college pgs tend to get overrated because i think people like idea of that style of pg. Heck i remember gambo was just head over heels about marshall predraft.

Ive said it before but for me balls athletic testing will be big. If he tests out as a below average nba athlete then I would have some concerns. The current pg landscape in the nba is filled with great athletes so if you don't have good lateral quickness and explosion its hard to be great.

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[Bogyo]

I've had him as a "Rubio" for a couple of months now - with better shooting and worse D, but about the same overall impact, maybe a bit better. I have even argued about it with some UCLA fanboy a couple pages back. That can justify a top 5 pick pretty much any time in my book, but I wouldn't really like to be the one who will have to find out if he is that, or just too-hyped-up-bust.
If we pick 4-5 and he is there, I have no problem taking him, if we pick 1-2-3 I d prefer Fultz, JJ, Tatum, Isacc, maybe even DSJ.