2017 Trade & Free Agency Ideas & Discussion

[bwgood77]

I feel you, but sorry son, you win with stars.

Booker and KP are them. Chriss and Bender are supporting players.

Technically neither are stars yet, they have potential to be but I would absolutely not anoint either to that level.

Of course not, but that's the plan...

I plan for all players we have to be stars, son.

[blee732]

If we take back Noah's absurd contract, there should be no need to give up either Chriss or Bender IMO. I'm sure many would disagree, but my thinking is that Noah is dead money on your roster. Taking that off their hands means they're free to pursue free agents a la the Lakers.

Of course then that means WE'RE stuck with him...but we haven't had the best luck in free agency lately anyway.

[bwoolf2]

You said 7'0" bro...literally took the time to do the ' and the 0"...your question not mine

you got to read the text bro "name me players over 7'0 tall that have had long healthy star careers, I cant think of any."

That extra three inches in terms of history makes all the difference in the world...

You keep saying 7'0 tall...here's a bunch http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1056834-nba-rankings-the-best-7-footers-of-all-time - and that doesn't include Durant or dirk...this is not a good argument you're pushing

Here is a list for you of players 7'3 and taller its stellar... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tallest_players_in_National_Basketball_Association_history

[AtheJ415]

There haven't been any 7'3" stars. There simply aren't that many people that tall on this planet, even in the NBA. In the history of the league, there have been like 5 guys that tall period. That's like me saying you shouldn't trade for IT because there aren't any star players under 5'10" in NBA history.

Right back at you, name me the 7'3" stars whose injuries cut short their careers. I'll wait.

Yao Ming, breh

star whose career cut short cause 7'6" is way too big for a human to play basketball on non-bionic feet

He's the only one though from the wiki list that I noticed. According to wiki, they list Smits, Sabonis, Sampson as guys, but that may be a loose list of "stars" to include Smits. Sampson was before my time, but Sabonis and Smits played a ton.

Also, if we're including 7'6" guys why not 7'? That's the same gap to 7'3".

[TeamTragic]

If we take back Noah's absurd contract, there should be no need to give up either Chriss or Bender IMO. I'm sure many would disagree, but my thinking is that Noah is dead money on your roster. Taking that off their hands means they're free to pursue free agents a la the Lakers.

Of course then that means WE'RE stuck with him...but we haven't had the best luck in free agency lately anyway.

Agreed. I think we would buy him out right?

[Thespianoid]

think there should be a poll....wonder who people would prefer to keep between Chriss and bender

Was just about to make a post about this

If I were the Suns I'd keep Bender as his skillset and tools archetype (playmaking/defensive versatility/shooting potential) don't come along often for a big and are key to how the league is trending.

I also think the fit is better-

1. there would be some redundancies with Chriss and Porzingis: Chriss has a nice scoring skillset, but so does Porzingis, and KP is IMO better at that. Porzingis (by virtue of being 7'3") will always have some issues keeping up on the perimeter defensively, and Chriss' instincts just aren't there to be able to cover in a team setting, despite being a decent shot blocker. But then again, Porzingis is likely better at the rim protection aspect as well.

Because Booker is obviously a staple and you have to account for his defense (which will likely never be very good), it's going to be tough having two frontcourt guys who can't switch onto smalls effectively. Can't have more than one guy you need to hide on that end.

2. Bender's offensive approach is mainly as a playmaker, and he will likely never be a great individual scorer. This frees Booker/Porzingis to be the main offensive focal points/gravity generators. Really, the passing ability of Bender puts his fit over the top for me - both Booker/Porzingis move off the ball well, are deadly shooters, and KP is a dynamic lob threat - give Bender some free reign to grab and go in transition, as well as some high post/elbow touches with off-ball screening/cutting, and you could see some ridiculous offense a la GSW (Steph/KD/Draymond-lite?). Can't forget the defensive side though, and Bender's instincts there are likely amongst the best on this young team.

Chriss surprised me with how he developed last season actually, improved a hell of a lot as a scorer and shooter, and I think he'll have a better career than I initially thought. But I don't think we've begun to see what Bender is capable of - Watson played him out of position (small forward? parked in the corner? ) a vast majority of his minutes and it was terrible. Not nearly as crazy as hypothetically using Nikola Jokic as a screen/rebound big, or using Giannis as a floor spacer, but along the same fundamental miscasting of role.

[AtheJ415]

If we take back Noah's absurd contract, there should be no need to give up either Chriss or Bender IMO. I'm sure many would disagree, but my thinking is that Noah is dead money on your roster. Taking that off their hands means they're free to pursue free agents a la the Lakers.

Of course then that means WE'RE stuck with him...but we haven't had the best luck in free agency lately anyway.

Agreed. I think we would buy him out right?

I would actually keep him. He is a vet and knows defense. Think he would be good for Kristaps here assuming he and him have a good relationship.

[blank_38]

you got to read the text bro "name me players over 7'0 tall that have had long healthy star careers, I cant think of any."

That extra three inches in terms of history makes all the difference in the world...

You keep saying 7'0 tall...here's a bunch http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1056834-nba-rankings-the-best-7-footers-of-all-time - and that doesn't include Durant or dirk...this is not a good argument you're pushing

Here is a list for you of players 7'3 and taller its stellar... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tallest_players_in_National_Basketball_Association_history

Only 25 players in the history of the NBA were 7'3 or taller using basketball-reference. There's really no comparison to what KP does on the floor today. Only one close is Kareem at 7'2 but he was an entirely different player.

[blee732]

If we take back Noah's absurd contract, there should be no need to give up either Chriss or Bender IMO. I'm sure many would disagree, but my thinking is that Noah is dead money on your roster. Taking that off their hands means they're free to pursue free agents a la the Lakers.

Of course then that means WE'RE stuck with him...but we haven't had the best luck in free agency lately anyway.

Agreed. I think we would buy him out right?

That'd be great, but I don't think Noah would give up much. I know I wouldn't. And I can't imagine Sarver would pay much for him to just go away (I wouldn't either, in his shoes).

Ignoring the contract, I like Noah as a player and teammate. Maybe our medical staff can bring him back to life?

[bwoolf2]

There haven't been any 7'3" stars. There simply aren't that many people that tall on this planet, even in the NBA. In the history of the league, there have been like 5 guys that tall period. That's like me saying you shouldn't trade for IT because there aren't any star players under 5'10" in NBA history.

Right back at you, name me the 7'3" stars whose injuries cut short their careers. I'll wait.

Yao Ming, breh

star whose career cut short cause 7'6" is way too big for a human to play basketball on non-bionic feet

He's the only one though from the wiki list that I noticed. According to wiki, they list Smits, Sabonis, Sampson as guys, but that may be a loose list of "stars" to include Smits. Sampson was before my time, but Sabonis and Smits played a ton.

Also, if we're including 7'6" guys why not 7'? That's the same gap to 7'3".

Dude you say he is the only one then list me off 3 guys that had injury issues throughout their careers? He would literally be the 1st 7'3 or taller star to not have an injury plagued career. is it possible sure, is it likely, probably not human physiology says so.

I would still take the chance on him but I dont think they have to give up that many assets, I dont think he is a generational player like Lebron or kobe or shaq. But he does have a chance to be special assuming he can stay healthy.

[Sunzgunz]

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YES!!!!!!!!!!!

Nope! Too many assets.

[SkinnyOMiller]

you got to read the text bro "name me players over 7'0 tall that have had long healthy star careers, I cant think of any."

That extra three inches in terms of history makes all the difference in the world...

You keep saying 7'0 tall...here's a bunch http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1056834-nba-rankings-the-best-7-footers-of-all-time - and that doesn't include Durant or dirk...this is not a good argument you're pushing

Here is a list for you of players 7'3 and taller its stellar... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tallest_players_in_National_Basketball_Association_history

Which is pretty freaking irrelevant. Not a single one of those guys had the athleticism of Porzingis. Sabonis was probably closest to his skillset and if the Suns got themselves a Sabonis I'd be absolutely psyched.


I always see these arguments as pointless. Lumping one player in with a bunch of completely different players based on one share characteristic is usually futile. The vast majority of the guys on that list were absolute stiffs that didn't make it because they were limited in ability, not due to injury.

[jredsaz]

you got to read the text bro "name me players over 7'0 tall that have had long healthy star careers, I cant think of any."

That extra three inches in terms of history makes all the difference in the world...

You keep saying 7'0 tall...here's a bunch http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1056834-nba-rankings-the-best-7-footers-of-all-time - and that doesn't include Durant or dirk...this is not a good argument you're pushing

"name me players over 7'0 tall that have had long healthy star careers, I cant think of any."

I bolded the word for you so you could read it better

Arvydas Sabonis was unbelievable in Europe, played til he was 38 with the Blazers. Healthy and effective through 33 or 34.

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[MrMiyagi]

CHRISS/BENDER AND JACKSON/TATUM/ISAAC/WHOEVER ELSE WILL HAVE LONGER AND BETTER CAREERS THAN PORZINGIS ALONE. WE CAN HAVE THREE OF THEM, OR ONE AND POZINGIS. I'D RATHER HAVE THE THREE.

[bwoolf2]

You keep saying 7'0 tall...here's a bunch http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1056834-nba-rankings-the-best-7-footers-of-all-time - and that doesn't include Durant or dirk...this is not a good argument you're pushing

Here is a list for you of players 7'3 and taller its stellar... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tallest_players_in_National_Basketball_Association_history

Which is pretty freaking irrelevant. Not a single one of those guys had the athleticism of Porzingis. Sabonis was probably closest to his skillset and if the Suns got themselves a Sabonis I'd be absolutely psyched.


I always see these arguments as pointless. Lumping one player in with a bunch of completely different players based on one share characteristic is usually futile. The vast majority of the guys on that list were absolute stiffs that didn't make it because they were limited in ability, not due to injury.

But if we cant base information off of history what should we base it off, you are telling me he is literally the 1st person in the entire world of his size to do all of these things. If so then you have literally what will be the one of the top 10 players to ever play in the NBA, I think that is a stretch.

[starbosa10]

CHRISS/BENDER AND JACKSON/TATUM/ISAAC/WHOEVER ELSE WILL HAVE LONGER AND BETTER CAREERS THAN PORZINGIS ALONE. WE CAN HAVE THREE OF THEM, OR ONE AND POZINGIS. I'D RATHER HAVE THE THREE.

I can see the reasoning behind that. However, what if we could deal Bledsoe, #4, Warren, and a Miami pick(s)?

[matt131]

CHRISS/BENDER AND JACKSON/TATUM/ISAAC/WHOEVER ELSE WILL HAVE LONGER AND BETTER CAREERS THAN PORZINGIS ALONE. WE CAN HAVE THREE OF THEM, OR ONE AND POZINGIS. I'D RATHER HAVE THE THREE.

dude what did you say i couldnt hear you

[bwgood77]

think there should be a poll....wonder who people would prefer to keep between Chriss and bender

Was just about to make a post about this

If I were the Suns I'd keep Bender as his skillset and tools archetype (playmaking/defensive versatility/shooting potential) don't come along often for a big and are key to how the league is trending.

I also think the fit is better-

1. there would be some redundancies with Chriss and Porzingis: Chriss has a nice scoring skillset, but so does Porzingis, and KP is IMO better at that. Porzingis (by virtue of being 7'3") will always have some issues keeping up on the perimeter defensively, and Chriss' instincts there just aren't there to be able to cover in a team setting, despite being a decent shot blocker at times. But then again, Porzingis is likely better at the rim protection aspect as well.

Because Booker is obviously a staple and you have to account for his defense (which will likely never be very good), it's going to be tough having two frontcourt guys who can't switch onto smalls effectively. Can't have more than one guy you need to hide on that end.

2. Bender's offensive approach is mainly as a playmaker, and he will likely never be a great individual scorer. This frees Booker/Porzingis to be the main offensive focal points/gravity generators. Really, the passing ability of Bender puts his fit over the top for me - both Booker/Porzingis move off the ball well, are deadly shooters, and KP is a dynamic lob threat - give Bender some free reign to grab and go in transition, as well as some high post/elbow touches with off-ball screening/cutting, and you could see some ridiculous offense a la GSW (Steph/KD/Draymond-lite?). Can't forget the defensive side though, and Bender's instincts there are likely amongst the best on this young team.

Chriss surprised me with how he developed last season actually, improved a hell of a lot as a scorer and shooter, and I think he'll have a better career than I initially thought. But I don't think we've begun to see what Bender is capable of - Watson played him out of position (small forward? parked in the corner? ) a vast majority of his minutes and it was terrible.

Great post. Much of what I was thinking and much more.

I like Bender better than Chriss but would rather the Suns trade Bender in a trade for Porzingis. I like the attitude Chriss has, doesn't back down from anyone, tough as nails, would be a nice contrast with Porzingis who seems like a more laid back kind of dude.

Why?

[starbosa10]

Bledsoe, Warren, #4, Miami picks (This is my preference)

or Bled, One of Chriss/Bender, #4.

If we're giving up Chriss or Bender I keep the Miami picks

[MrMiyagi]

CHRISS/BENDER AND JACKSON/TATUM/ISAAC/WHOEVER ELSE WILL HAVE LONGER AND BETTER CAREERS THAN PORZINGIS ALONE. WE CAN HAVE THREE OF THEM, OR ONE AND POZINGIS. I'D RATHER HAVE THE THREE.

I can see the reasoning behind that. However, what if we could deal Bledsoe, #4, Warren, and a Miami pick(s)?

That's tougher, but I think I'd pass. I think Jackson or Tatum or Isaac or whoever else/Bender/Chriss can all be on the floor at the same time. I'm not sure Bender/Chriss/Porzingis can. If we could make it a #4 and #8 swap, I think I'd pull the trigger.