2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part V

[bwgood77]

Kings are favored by 15.5 today. I don't bet anymore, but that seems absurd it's that high.

Also Memphis is favored over Dallas but they are resting like their top 10 players or something. Seems like Dallas should win. They have incentive too, because if they win and the Kings lose, they get HCA in the play in.

[bwgood77]

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Keith Smith breaks down the options around Beal perfectly! Everyone should read this article for much better clarity!

Yeah, I had read earlier that we can't stretch him because it would be over the 15% of total cap that you are allowd to stretch (per year).

So it's either trade (dumb if have to attach picks and would have to take back a ton of salary anyway), waive (dumb because you still have the cap hit on the books), or try to buy out (I doubt if he takes much of a discount and you still have the cap hit).

[BobbieL]

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Keith Smith breaks down the options around Beal perfectly! Everyone should read this article for much better clarity!

Yeah, I had read earlier that we can't stretch him because it would be over the 15% of total cap that you are allowd to stretch (per year).

So it's either trade (dumb if have to attach picks and would have to take back a ton of salary anyway), waive (dumb because you still have the cap hit on the books), or try to buy out (I doubt if he takes much of a discount and you still have the cap hit).

the most logical is to keep Beal and see if there is a market in the summer of 2026
but if Booker is traded and Beal is kept, the fan base will revolt - well a part of them will thinking "how can we trade Dbook?"

[Saberestar]

Kings are favored by 15.5 today. I don't bet anymore, but that seems absurd it's that high.

Also Memphis is favored over Dallas but they are resting like their top 10 players or something. Seems like Dallas should win. They have incentive too, because if they win and the Kings lose, they get HCA in the play in.

KD, Booker, Beal and Richards out. That's why they are favored by that much.

[sunsbg]

Kings are favored by 15.5 today. I don't bet anymore, but that seems absurd it's that high.

Also Memphis is favored over Dallas but they are resting like their top 10 players or something. Seems like Dallas should win. They have incentive too, because if they win and the Kings lose, they get HCA in the play in.

KD, Booker, Beal and Richards out. That's why they are favored by that much.

Undoubtedly that means all of them are getting traded in the offseason. Just wanted to be the first to come with such obvious conclusion.

[bwgood77]

Kings are favored by 15.5 today. I don't bet anymore, but that seems absurd it's that high.

Also Memphis is favored over Dallas but they are resting like their top 10 players or something. Seems like Dallas should win. They have incentive too, because if they win and the Kings lose, they get HCA in the play in.

KD, Booker, Beal and Richards out. That's why they are favored by that much.

Oh, I figured Booker would want to play unless he's injured.

[Saberestar]

Kings are favored by 15.5 today. I don't bet anymore, but that seems absurd it's that high.

Also Memphis is favored over Dallas but they are resting like their top 10 players or something. Seems like Dallas should win. They have incentive too, because if they win and the Kings lose, they get HCA in the play in.

KD, Booker, Beal and Richards out. That's why they are favored by that much.

Oh, I figured Booker would want to play unless he's injured.

Yeah, it's surprising in Booker but no one is gonna be surprised about Beal sitting out resting well his body.

[SkyBill40]

Booker should be playing. He made comments the other day about the importance of doing so for the sake of the fans, yet he is apparently not suiting up. Even if he's being held out by Budenholzer or the front office, he should be demanding to play at least part of the game, else he looks like a hypocrite of the highest order.

This is an awful look for the team as a whole and a pretty bad one for Booker since we don't know who is holding him out.

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[sunsbg]

Again, all business, nobody wants his multi million investment to get hurt in meaningless game.

[BobbieL]

Again, all business, nobody wants his multi million investment to get hurt in meaningless game.

100%.

Even if Ishbia has no plans to trade booker - - why play him today when he could tear an ACL, an achilles and be out all next year too
Same with Beal

Richards only costs $5m but thats a prime contract to trade to get under the apron levels if need be

The next 2.5m months are going to be very interesting

Billups back to Portland - not that he ever made sense for Phoenix. Why would he come to a worse job

[BobbieL]

Kings are favored by 15.5 today. I don't bet anymore, but that seems absurd it's that high.

Also Memphis is favored over Dallas but they are resting like their top 10 players or something. Seems like Dallas should win. They have incentive too, because if they win and the Kings lose, they get HCA in the play in.

KD, Booker, Beal and Richards out. That's why they are favored by that much.

Undoubtedly that means all of them are getting traded in the offseason. Just wanted to be the first to come with such obvious conclusion.

Seriously - at most one of those 4 will be back and if a player is back... it will be Booker of course but even those odds are less than a month ago

[Ghost of Kleine]

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[Saberestar]

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Wow, that's fast lol.

Not a surprise if Budenholzer is fired because we didn't meet expectations at all but I would like to know who would be the new HC.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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Wow, that's fast lol.

Not a surprise if Budenholzer is fired because we didn't meet expectations at all but I would like to know who would be the new HC.

They must already have someone else in mind which might be a good thing possibly?

[Ghost of Kleine]

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If true, this would speak to a completely broken culture in need of reconstruction from the foundation up with strong emphasis on competitive tenacity, toughness, and professionalism/ sense of urgency.

[BobbieL]

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If true, this would speak to a completely broken culture in need of reconstruction from the foundation up with strong emphasis on competitive tenacity, toughness, and professionalism/ sense of urgency.

Interesting theory
But I want to blow the whole team up - so its just not Booker and Durant
Allen, O'Neal -- traded
Plumlee, Morris and Tyus Jones -- keep walking

Beal -- probably best to move on from him

As for Budenholzer getting fired - whatever
Jones needs to be fired too

[BobbieL]

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Wow, that's fast lol.

Not a surprise if Budenholzer is fired because we didn't meet expectations at all but I would like to know who would be the new HC.

They must already have someone else in mind which might be a good thing possibly?

Start with firing the GM
having a good search
and than moving to Head coach

step by step
patient, thought out plan

[Slim Charless]

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If true, this would speak to a completely broken culture in need of reconstruction from the foundation up with strong emphasis on competitive tenacity, toughness, and professionalism/ sense of urgency.

Interesting theory
But I want to blow the whole team up - so its just not Booker and Durant
Allen, O'Neal -- traded
Plumlee, Morris and Tyus Jones -- keep walking

Beal -- probably best to move on from him

As for Budenholzer getting fired - whatever
Jones needs to be fired too

I no longer think we're blowing the team up. Count me out on trading both Booker+KD. Just don't see Ishbia switching things up that strongly and that quickly.

My **hope** now is just for Booker to go and for them to ride out Beal's contract. Bigger haul and KD+Beal only need to be here for a cpl years.

If it's Durant that goes, they need to handle things very carefully.

[Calvin Klein]

I have no interest watching Devin Booker play out the rest of his Suns tenure on mediocre teams with no upside.

It’s Suns fans vs Booker fans at this point.

Either you care more about Booker than the Suns as a team or you care about the Suns more than Booker.

I’m more interested in seeing the name in front of the jersey succeed than an individual name on the back of the jersey succeed.

Some people here care more about the name on the back of the jersey than the front and would be perfectly fine watching this team be mediocre then see Booker traded.

I consider myself a Booker fan but only because he has been the team's hope from the beginning. I'd hate to see him go but I understand it would make the most sense to trade him now as his value is the highest it'll be. It's sad because it didn't have to be this way, but the Durant trade basically guaranteed this would happen, as a rebuild was inevitable the moment you trade all your youth and picks for a 35 year old.

In an ideal scenario, Booker stays and the team finds a way to be competitive again. It's looking pretty much impossible though.