The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3

[KdoubleDees23]

It's frustrating to watch the Celtics act professionally compared to the Suns. They trade Brown when it serves the team's needs, while the Suns should have traded Booker last summer. How can a mediocre star be bigger than the organization?

Professionally ? Celtics are cooked now lol next 3-5 years they will be trash

[KdoubleDees23]

Beal to Celtics , Markannen to suns , brown to Jazz

[BobbieL]

Beal to Celtics , Markannen to suns , brown to Jazz

I think the Suns would do that - not sure Stevens is doing that.

[BobbieL]

It's frustrating to watch the Celtics act professionally compared to the Suns. They trade Brown when it serves the team's needs, while the Suns should have traded Booker last summer. How can a mediocre star be bigger than the organization?

Professionally ? Celtics are cooked now lol next 3-5 years they will be trash

Yes, you could be correct. But when you have a recent title -- you have some street cred to do it

Second, maybe Stevens is just being honest with the team he has. Like Porz and Jrue, getting older, next year without Tatum they could be a playoff team but not a true contender - so he sold early on both.

Jaylen Brown -- owed a lot of money. So its a good time to be honest and reset.

[Puff]

It's frustrating to watch the Celtics act professionally compared to the Suns. They trade Brown when it serves the team's needs, while the Suns should have traded Booker last summer. How can a mediocre star be bigger than the organization?

Exactly! Why is Booker wanting to be in Phoenix or him being loyal have anything to do with putting the best team on the court as possibe. Celtics traded Porz, traded Jrue, might trade Brown. Do you think they are asking the player for permission where to trade them? Windy reported they asked Durant about Cleveland but he said No. Are you kidding? Garland and Booker would have been nice

That doesn't mean take a Durant deal - but if there is a good deal out there -- why not listen

Book is happy scoring 27 with a -18 and after the game "you know, we just have to play better. tighten things up" -and life is good

Please stop this broken record. We are not trading Book and Ishbia is not selling this team. You are just wasting your time and energy. You repeat this every day. No one of importance is listening. If we can get a couple of bigs or a big and a PG this could be a very good day for this franchise as well as Booker. We might also take Carter Bryant at #10. He could be very nice as well. I have read from a poster on another forum that I respect. Carter has superstar potential.

What we do with Beal is our biggest issue.

Hell at least we can pay attention to the draft today. That has not happened for a while and probably will not
happen for a few years into the future. The constant negativity from many posters accomplishes nothing. Enjoy what we have and hope for a better future.

It is now Bookers team again whether you like it or not, deal with it or find another team. When we last had a balanced roster around Book, we were winning 64 regular season games and going to the finals. It can be done again. That is what I am hoping for.

Go Suns

[BobbieL]

It's frustrating to watch the Celtics act professionally compared to the Suns. They trade Brown when it serves the team's needs, while the Suns should have traded Booker last summer. How can a mediocre star be bigger than the organization?

Exactly! Why is Booker wanting to be in Phoenix or him being loyal have anything to do with putting the best team on the court as possibe. Celtics traded Porz, traded Jrue, might trade Brown. Do you think they are asking the player for permission where to trade them? Windy reported they asked Durant about Cleveland but he said No. Are you kidding? Garland and Booker would have been nice

That doesn't mean take a Durant deal - but if there is a good deal out there -- why not listen

Book is happy scoring 27 with a -18 and after the game "you know, we just have to play better. tighten things up" -and life is good

Please stop this broken record. We are not trading Book and Ishbia is not selling this team. You are just wasting your time and energy. You repeat this every day. No one of importance is listening. If we can get a couple of bigs or a big and a PG this could be a very good day for this franchise as well as Booker. We might also take Carter Bryant at #10. He could be very nice as well. I have read from a poster on another forum that I respect. Carter has superstar potential.

What we do with Beal is our biggest issue.

Hell at least we can pay attention to the draft today. That has not happened for a while and probably will not
happen for a few years into the future. The constant negativity from many posters accomplishes nothing. Enjoy what we have and hope for a better future.

It is now Bookers team again whether you like it or not, deal with it or find another team. When we last had a balanced roster around Book, we were winning 64 regular season games and going to the finals. It can be done again. That is what I am hoping for.

Go Suns

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Oh boy Puff doesn't respect me
How will I ever sleep at night
But somehow "my heart will... go on"

That said, I was responding to Sunlight -- but you didn't respond to him

And by the way, you don't have to respond - you can just walk on by

[TeamTragic]

Stevens is blowing that team up. Granted, they did lose in the 2nd round this year and without Tatum... but if Stevens can get Collins, Sexton, Clarkson, the 5th pick and other picks for Brown - that is moving on and rebuilding. (Ishbia - take not of what Jaylen Brown will get in a trade you Dipshitbia!!!)

Read on Twitter

In what world is that **** package enough for Brown?

Either they add Lauri/Kessler or the Celtics hang up and block their number.

He is blowing up the team.... he wants to re-set and with Tatum out next year - its the perfect time to do it. And he doesn't want a contract like Markkanen, four years 200m mucking the waters

Celtics are not salary dumping Brown. They want net positive assets which they can flip once Tatum comes back.

Jrue/Porzingis were regressing and their value was only going to get worse.

[Sunlight]

It's frustrating to watch the Celtics act professionally compared to the Suns. They trade Brown when it serves the team's needs, while the Suns should have traded Booker last summer. How can a mediocre star be bigger than the organization?

Professionally ? Celtics are cooked now lol next 3-5 years they will be trash

They won the championship with that team. Mission accomplished, now time to put together a new one. The Suns failed and traded everyone except the game 7 choker. And here we are. No playoffs for the next 6-8 years. And if Booker is not traded, the next playoffs will not be for 10 years. The situation is absolutely terrible. Reminds me of the Coyotes days even though there is money to spend. And still no future in the tough West.
So many people act like everything is fine and with a few moves we will return to the way it was 3-5 years ago. There are no chips to do anything.

[BobbieL]

In what world is that **** package enough for Brown?

Either they add Lauri/Kessler or the Celtics hang up and block their number.

He is blowing up the team.... he wants to re-set and with Tatum out next year - its the perfect time to do it. And he doesn't want a contract like Markkanen, four years 200m mucking the waters

Celtics are not salary dumping Brown. They want net positive assets which they can flip once Tatum comes back.

Jrue/Porzingis were regressing and their value was only going to get worse.

You are correct. If Brown is traded - its not a salary dump -- its more a stratetic long term view of how to rebuild the team around Tatum.

But they might be getting a couple expirings back over Markkanen - that is all I meant by dumping salary.

[WeekapaugGroove]

It's frustrating to watch the Celtics act professionally compared to the Suns. They trade Brown when it serves the team's needs, while the Suns should have traded Booker last summer. How can a mediocre star be bigger than the organization?

Professionally ? Celtics are cooked now lol next 3-5 years they will be trash

They won the championship with that team. Mission accomplished, now time to put together a new one. The Suns failed and traded everyone except the game 7 choker. And here we are. No playoffs for the next 6-8 years. And if Booker is not traded, the next playoffs will not be for 10 years. The situation is absolutely terrible. Reminds me of the Coyotes days even though there is money to spend. And still no future in the tough West.
So many people act like everything is fine and with a few moves we will return to the way it was 3-5 years ago. There are no chips to do anything.

**** dude I think like 90% of the peeps who posts here do nothing but point out how much of a tire fire this franchise is. I salute the 10% who try to be optimistic.

[TeamTragic]

He is blowing up the team.... he wants to re-set and with Tatum out next year - its the perfect time to do it. And he doesn't want a contract like Markkanen, four years 200m mucking the waters

Celtics are not salary dumping Brown. They want net positive assets which they can flip once Tatum comes back.

Jrue/Porzingis were regressing and their value was only going to get worse.

You are correct. If Brown is traded - its not a salary dump -- its more a stratetic long term view of how to rebuild the team around Tatum.

But they might be getting a couple expirings back over Markkanen - that is all I meant by dumping salary.

I understand but Celtics don't lose trades. Also if we get a grandfather offer for Booker you have to consider moving him.

However if you get him extended you can still move him next season if things don't work out.

[BobbieL]

Celtics are not salary dumping Brown. They want net positive assets which they can flip once Tatum comes back.

Jrue/Porzingis were regressing and their value was only going to get worse.

You are correct. If Brown is traded - its not a salary dump -- its more a stratetic long term view of how to rebuild the team around Tatum.

But they might be getting a couple expirings back over Markkanen - that is all I meant by dumping salary.

I understand but Celtics don't lose trades. Also if we get a grandfather offer for Booker you have to consider moving him.

However if you get him extended you can still move him next season if things don't work out.

I agree about Stevens not losing trades. I am not sure if taking Collins + Clarkson over say Markkanen is losing the trade. Stevens is a pretty good GM who will have a vision for the next 12, 24 months to rebuild.

[TeamTragic]

Also want to point out that Kyrie/FVV were willing to take pay cuts to help their team.

KD allegedly will do the same. Meanwhile Booker wants all the money.

[BobbieL]

Also want to point out that Kyrie/FVV were willing to take pay cuts to help their team.

KD allegedly will do the same. Meanwhile Booker wants all the money.

I don't expect Booker to turn down the extension -- I just don't think the Suns should give it this year.

FVV - well the contract was structured with the team option. I think FVV got 80m the last two years - which might have been a slight overpay. But it works out that now he is getting 50/2. So for four years, 130/4 - which seems reasonable for FVV

[Sunlight]

Professionally ? Celtics are cooked now lol next 3-5 years they will be trash

They won the championship with that team. Mission accomplished, now time to put together a new one. The Suns failed and traded everyone except the game 7 choker. And here we are. No playoffs for the next 6-8 years. And if Booker is not traded, the next playoffs will not be for 10 years. The situation is absolutely terrible. Reminds me of the Coyotes days even though there is money to spend. And still no future in the tough West.
So many people act like everything is fine and with a few moves we will return to the way it was 3-5 years ago. There are no chips to do anything.

**** dude I think like 90% of the peeps who posts here do nothing but point out how much of a tire fire this franchise is. I salute the 10% who try to be optimistic.

OKC won the championship with a relatively mediocre team but found a perfect player for each position plus a strong bench. The Suns have five guys at one position and none at four, and no bench.
I also find a positive and that is that Booker is sold and Jalen Green freely puts up 30PPG stats and we get a good price for him or he develops into the face of this franchise. Booker and Green can't play at the same time. Green won't develop without a good point guard and Booker won't get to play his own game.

[bwgood77]

Kind of a surprising mock selection from the ESPN one done by Givony and Woo...



https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/45559441/2025-nba-mock-draft-latest-first-second-round-predictions-all-59-picks

[bwgood77]

Who all have we worked out? Has that been reported?

[BobbieL]

Kind of a surprising mock selection from the ESPN one done by Givony and Woo...



https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/45559441/2025-nba-mock-draft-latest-first-second-round-predictions-all-59-picks

If he can play the 4
I still like the idea that of OKC wants to move into the top 10 - Suns get 15/24
That would give them three first rounders but possibly could trade one for a future pick or attach to the Beal trade - if there is a Beal trade

[Qwigglez]

I'm impressed by Carter Bryant. If Suns go BPA, I'd absolutely take him most likely.

[Dr Manute]

I'm impressed by Carter Bryant. If Suns go BPA, I'd absolutely take him most likely.

I noticed Carte Bryant only averaged 19.3 minutes per game. He looks like a project with potential to me. I didn't watch any Arizona games, but heard from someone who did and they said to pass on him at #10.