Official Trade Thread: New Year, New Thread, New Laughs

[Revived]

And why is everyone so bothered by a 10-11th player getting paid 1 million a year developing and getting better... Being on the Suns team?

Who is bothered by that? It is a little bothering that such a player would complain about playing time or the team signing another player that might compete for minutes with him.

I am perfectly content to keep him on the team, but if I got the chance to trade him for a proven shooter, I certainly would consider it.

Go back 5-6 pages and count how many negative Goodwin posts.

Trade him for a shooter who won't get minutes?

Suns had Christmas last year also.


My stance, the FO keep Goodwin at the D league until he is ready to play minutes, either because the team traded some players or Goodwin has shown he deserves to play.

At 1 million dollars a year I keep that high potential player rather than see him play for another team then become a stud... You'll regret it 100 times more.

Selfishly, I'm starting to get on the "Trade Goodwin bandwagon".

I don't think he will get a fair opportunity here. I want to see what he can do even if it means it's on a different team.

[carey]

McDonough is on KTAR & was just asked about Goodwin. Said the comments were taken out of context & the reporter sort of led him down that path. Loves the fact that Goodwin wants to create his own opportunity. Thinks he's a great kid. Exceptionally mature for his age. That's it. He has no problem with it.

[Flying Colors]

#Give that boy some minutes

[AtheJ415]

Who is bothered by that? It is a little bothering that such a player would complain about playing time or the team signing another player that might compete for minutes with him.

I am perfectly content to keep him on the team, but if I got the chance to trade him for a proven shooter, I certainly would consider it.

Go back 5-6 pages and count how many negative Goodwin posts.

Trade him for a shooter who won't get minutes?

Suns had Christmas last year also.


My stance, the FO keep Goodwin at the D league until he is ready to play minutes, either because the team traded some players or Goodwin has shown he deserves to play.

At 1 million dollars a year I keep that high potential player rather than see him play for another team then become a stud... You'll regret it 100 times more.

Selfishly, I'm starting to get on the "Trade Goodwin bandwagon".

I don't think he will get a fair opportunity here. I want to see what he can do even if it means it's on a different team.

Since when is it unfair to sit behind guys who are better than you?

[Revived]

Go back 5-6 pages and count how many negative Goodwin posts.

Trade him for a shooter who won't get minutes?

Suns had Christmas last year also.


My stance, the FO keep Goodwin at the D league until he is ready to play minutes, either because the team traded some players or Goodwin has shown he deserves to play.

At 1 million dollars a year I keep that high potential player rather than see him play for another team then become a stud... You'll regret it 100 times more.

Selfishly, I'm starting to get on the "Trade Goodwin bandwagon".

I don't think he will get a fair opportunity here. I want to see what he can do even if it means it's on a different team.

Since when is it unfair to sit behind guys who are better than you?

Until he gets playing time, you don't know who he's better than and who he isn't.

But fine if he's such a bad player, trade him elsewhere. He will definitely get more of an opportunity than he did in PHX from many teams out there.

[lilfishi22]

Selfishly, I'm starting to get on the "Trade Goodwin bandwagon".

I don't think he will get a fair opportunity here. I want to see what he can do even if it means it's on a different team.

Since when is it unfair to sit behind guys who are better than you?

Until he gets playing time, you don't know who he's better than and who he isn't.

But fine if he's such a bad player, trade him elsewhere. He will definitely get more of an opportunity than he did in PHX from many teams out there.

That's ridiculous. You might not be able to witness it because it's on TV but the Suns organisation know from seeing Archie in practice go against the guys in front of him daily.

[AtheJ415]

Selfishly, I'm starting to get on the "Trade Goodwin bandwagon".

I don't think he will get a fair opportunity here. I want to see what he can do even if it means it's on a different team.

Since when is it unfair to sit behind guys who are better than you?

Until he gets playing time, you don't know who he's better than and who he isn't.

But fine if he's such a bad player, trade him elsewhere. He will definitely get more of an opportunity than he did in PHX from many teams out there.

So you are saying that Jeff Hornacek and staff plus McDonough are unable to determine who the better player is based on tape, practice, etc.. That they aren't sure how good Archie is, but are intentionally choosing not to find out?

And no, as I've said in this thread the last thing you do is trade someone elsewhere when you believe he has potential. You make him work until he proves he's better in practice so that he can earn more minutes in games, where he can then continue to play better and get more minutes. That's nothing new. That is how it's always worked in the NBA except for teams intentionally trying to tank.

No offense, but you sound like a relative of Archie's, putting his best interests above the team's best interests.

[Revived]

Since when is it unfair to sit behind guys who are better than you?

Until he gets playing time, you don't know who he's better than and who he isn't.

But fine if he's such a bad player, trade him elsewhere. He will definitely get more of an opportunity than he did in PHX from many teams out there.

That's ridiculous. You might not be able to witness it because it's on TV but the Suns organisation know from seeing Archie in practice go against the guys in front of him daily.

We'll see. It's not like organizations have ever been wrong about players ever before right?

[AtheJ415]

Until he gets playing time, you don't know who he's better than and who he isn't.

But fine if he's such a bad player, trade him elsewhere. He will definitely get more of an opportunity than he did in PHX from many teams out there.

That's ridiculous. You might not be able to witness it because it's on TV but the Suns organisation know from seeing Archie in practice go against the guys in front of him daily.

We'll see. It's not like organizations have ever been wrong about players ever before right?

It's up to the player to prove it in practice though. How is not playing him now wrong, unless you believe he's proven that he's better than Gerald right now. Archie could continue to improve and become a star in a few years, but it wouldn't make whether he's playing now wrong.

If Archie's the responsible, mature person you say he is, then he has to know it's up to him to prove it in practice. If he's clearly better and hasn't done that, it's on him as much as the coaches.

[Revived]

Since when is it unfair to sit behind guys who are better than you?

Until he gets playing time, you don't know who he's better than and who he isn't.

But fine if he's such a bad player, trade him elsewhere. He will definitely get more of an opportunity than he did in PHX from many teams out there.

So you are saying that Jeff Hornacek and staff plus McDonough are unable to determine who the better player is based on tape, practice, etc.. That they aren't sure how good Archie is, but are intentionally choosing not to find out?

And no, as I've said in this thread the last thing you do is trade someone elsewhere when you believe he has potential. You make him work until he proves he's better in practice so that he can earn more minutes in games, where he can then continue to play better and get more minutes. That's nothing new. That is how it's always worked in the NBA except for teams intentionally trying to tank.

No offense, but you sound like a relative of Archie's, putting his best interests above the team's best interests.

Um not really, I'm saying Hornacek is priortizing winning now rather than seeing what he has in guys like Goodwin, Warren & Ennis.

And nope no relative. As for team's best interests, it won't be doing the team any good to have upset and unhappy players while their trying desperately to make playoffs for first time in four years. There's plenty of guys who wouldn't mind sitting on the bench and just cheering on the teammates (Sacre, Bazemore, Christmas etc) but Goodwin isn't one of them.

It's funny that I mention Bazemore because he was in a near identical situation as Goodwin. On a team with stacked guards (GSW) and didn't get playing time ever, goes to Atlanta and hearing from Hawks fans, he's a very valuable player to their team now. He gets minutes on their team as well.

[Kerrsed]

I agree with you SF88.

Its hard to judge how good Goodwin when he doesnt get any minutes. Sure you can look at his work in the D-League, but thats not the NBA. I would like to see what he can do when paired next to Bledsoe or Dragic. I want to see what he can do when on a real team in a real league with real teammates. Give him some damn minutes, either he sinks or swims.

One issue that people arnt factoring in is the salary. We just paid IT over $7M. Even if Archie was playing great, its hard for the team to give him minutes over a guy they just spent a ton of cash on, whether that be Bledsoe, Dragic, or IT. It looks a lot better having a player riding the bench when he is making $2M a season over sitting a guy on the bench that is making $7M (IT) or $5.3M (Green).

You also have to factor in that we will be looking to trade IT (and i believe Green as well), and therefor need to give them the minutes they need to essentially "Showcase" them to other teams and inflate their stats a bit.

[Fo-Real]

When asked didnt Mc D also say flat out that Plum actually has NOT asked for a trade.... I was on the phone and trying to listen at the same time but I thought that's what I heard.

[thamadkant]

McDonough is on KTAR & was just asked about Goodwin. Said the comments were taken out of context & the reporter sort of led him down that path. Loves the fact that Goodwin wants to create his own opportunity. Thinks he's a great kid. Exceptionally mature for his age. That's it. He has no problem with it.

+1

This.

I've been preaching it for a while now... Goodwin is a McD type of player.

No matter how many negative post and pessimistic attitude towards him, there is only 1 person that matters when it comes to Goodwin, and thats McD who traded up 1 spot for him, we may never know, he could of been trying to trade as early as pick 20 as he felt Goodwin could be gone by the next pick, Thunder obliged to swap positions and the rest is history.

As a rookie and as a young player not getting minutes, the thing i care about the most is their work ethic... and I'm pretty sure there are multiple articles out there stating how Goodwin and Len came back or stayed in Phoenix all summer working on their game and their bodies. To me those are HUGE "ticks" on the keeper guide book.

[RunDogGun]

Holy f*ckballs, why is this crap still getting spewed?

Goodwin will get minutes when the coaching staff decides he has either earned it, or is better than the guys ahead of him. We are fighting for a playoff spot. End of story here. Our opinions mean squat.

Now back to trades. Let's trade Goodwin! (Green font)

[AtheJ415]

Until he gets playing time, you don't know who he's better than and who he isn't.

But fine if he's such a bad player, trade him elsewhere. He will definitely get more of an opportunity than he did in PHX from many teams out there.

So you are saying that Jeff Hornacek and staff plus McDonough are unable to determine who the better player is based on tape, practice, etc.. That they aren't sure how good Archie is, but are intentionally choosing not to find out?

And no, as I've said in this thread the last thing you do is trade someone elsewhere when you believe he has potential. You make him work until he proves he's better in practice so that he can earn more minutes in games, where he can then continue to play better and get more minutes. That's nothing new. That is how it's always worked in the NBA except for teams intentionally trying to tank.

No offense, but you sound like a relative of Archie's, putting his best interests above the team's best interests.

Um not really, I'm saying Hornacek is priortizing winning now rather than seeing what he has in guys like Goodwin, Warren & Ennis.

And nope no relative. As for team's best interests, it won't be doing the team any good to have upset and unhappy players while their trying desperately to make playoffs for first time in four years. There's plenty of guys who wouldn't mind sitting on the bench and just cheering on the teammates (Sacre, Bazemore, Christmas etc) but Goodwin isn't one of them.

It's funny that I mention Bazemore because he was in a near identical situation as Goodwin. On a team with stacked guards (GSW) and didn't get playing time ever, goes to Atlanta and hearing from Hawks fans, he's a very valuable player to their team now. He gets minutes on their team as well.

The only way you are prioritizing winning now is if you are playing your best players. No way around that. By saying you believe Goodwin might be better and that nobody can determine it until he plays, that contracts "winning now" because you're opening up the possibility that he's sacrificing wins right now. Can't have it both ways, and what you're saying is contradictory.

[AtheJ415]

When asked didnt Mc D also say flat out that Plum actually has NOT asked for a trade.... I was on the phone and trying to listen at the same time but I thought that's what I heard.

Anyone have an answer to this? I'm curious about this also.

[thamadkant]

Holy f*ckballs, why is this crap still getting spewed?

Goodwin will get minutes when the coaching staff decides he has either earned it, or is better than the guys ahead of him. We are fighting for a playoff spot. End of story here. Our opinions mean squat.

Now back to trades. Let's trade Goodwin! (Green font)

well, thats pretty much it...

the chatter here is that many are already making decisions/conclusions that Goodwin is no good or an idiot etc, basically a negative aura.

When he has displayed good work ethic and worthy enough of "further" development.

But, everyone should move on.

McD is happy with Goodwin, so move on with other trade scenarios that can actually net the suns some help now and later.

[carey]

When asked didnt Mc D also say flat out that Plum actually has NOT asked for a trade.... I was on the phone and trying to listen at the same time but I thought that's what I heard.

Anyone have an answer to this? I'm curious about this also.

That's correct. Said he's a big part of what they do, was a starting C for a 48 win team last year. Not looking to move him at this time.

[RunDogGun]

Well it was idiotic to say,"I'm not going to take it." Not sure what else to call it. He has zero choice in the matter. Acting like a little b*tch won't look good for him.

It would be great if he could work on his flaws, and beat out the guys in front of him, so we could move either Green or IT.

I still wouldn't mind moving IT and Plumlee for Sullenger. We would really miss the offense IT an bring on any given night,but we do have a ton of guards.

[lilfishi22]

Until he gets playing time, you don't know who he's better than and who he isn't.

But fine if he's such a bad player, trade him elsewhere. He will definitely get more of an opportunity than he did in PHX from many teams out there.

That's ridiculous. You might not be able to witness it because it's on TV but the Suns organisation know from seeing Archie in practice go against the guys in front of him daily.

We'll see. It's not like organizations have ever been wrong about players ever before right?

If Archie, with all his elite athleticism, ball penetration abilities and defensive genius cannot prove he's ready for the NBA court in practice, then why the hell would he be given minutes?

No one gets a better look at Archie than the Suns organisation, yet after seeing him play 626 career minutes you think that the coaching staff, some of whom are ex-NBA players are wrong.