2016 Draft

[bwgood77]

Simmons is going no.1 unless he flunks a workout and gets terrible PR - You can get $6 for the field to go no.1 pick.

Remember the media narrative around Simmons really exploded when DraftExpress tore his last game apart and demoted him in their mock draft. Keep in mind they are a commercial entertainment business, they got more publicity that day for free than any other day in their history.

And the guy who's supposedly ahead of him, shot 39% in the past 2 months, with shooting his main advantage!

And Simmons couldn't even lead LSU to a March Madness birth with a decent supporting cast and tailormade system that gave him the free reigns, his fault for choosing to play fora subpar program under his godfather. LSU turned down the NIT bid because he knew it wouldn't help his case. a true competitor wouldn't back down from the occasion. All while committing 40 turnovers to 42 assists his past 10 games, barely breaking even. I would hesitate before giving him the keys to the car running a half court offense, he thrives in transition and is not the functional equivalent of a PG.

I won't pretend to know the reason he couldn't lead that team, but I kind of mentioned something similar in the draft forum in response to someone who said he's a generational talent.

I read some time later in a thread about him, in that forum, from an LSU fan, that the other players really didn't like that all the attention was on him all the time, and often didn't even get him involved, and the coach really didn't allow him to run the offense or put him in the best position to succeed. Now I can't vouch for whether or how much of this is true, but perhaps that had something to do with his problem of getting them to the tourney.

Also, guys like Jabari and Wiggins were on pretty stacked teams going into the tourney and they both fizzled out pretty quickly. Jabari led Duke to a first round exit against 14 seeded Mercer, while Wiggins led Kansas to a second round exit against 10th seeded Stanford (though that also led me to believe they might be overhyped).

[saintEscaton]

Simmons is going no.1 unless he flunks a workout and gets terrible PR - You can get $6 for the field to go no.1 pick.

Remember the media narrative around Simmons really exploded when DraftExpress tore his last game apart and demoted him in their mock draft. Keep in mind they are a commercial entertainment business, they got more publicity that day for free than any other day in their history.

And the guy who's supposedly ahead of him, shot 39% in the past 2 months, with shooting his main advantage!

And Simmons couldn't even lead LSU to a March Madness birth with a decent supporting cast and tailormade system that gave him the free reigns, his fault for choosing to play fora subpar program under his godfather. LSU turned down the NIT bid because he knew it wouldn't help his case. a true competitor wouldn't back down from the occasion. All while committing 40 turnovers to 42 assists his past 10 games, barely breaking even. I would hesitate before giving him the keys to the car running a half court offense, he thrives in transition and is not the functional equivalent of a PG.

I won't pretend to know the reason he couldn't lead that team, but I kind of mentioned something similar in the draft forum in response to someone who said he's a generational talent.

I read some time later in a thread about him, in that forum, from an LSU fan, that the other players really didn't like that all the attention was on him all the time, and often didn't even get him involved, and the coach really didn't allow him to run the offense or put him in the best position to succeed. Now I can't vouch for whether or how much of this is true, but perhaps that had something to do with his problem of getting them to the tourney.

Also, guys like Jabari and Wiggins were on pretty stacked teams going into the tourney and they both fizzled out pretty quickly. Jabari led Duke to a first round exit against 14 seeded Mercer, while Wiggins led Kansas to a second round exit against 10th seeded Stanford (though that also led me to believe they might be overhyped).

I mean I supposes its true to a certain degree,Simmons tried to take a backseat and play off the ball unsuccesfully. But LSU basically ran with 4 guards pl alongside him who would leak out so he could crash the boards and push the break. SImmons would sometimes get cold feet in crunch time. passing up good looks when defenders sag off him knowing that he has non-existent jumper, deferring to Quarterman/Blankensley to bail him out

[SC923]

I am quite impressed with Chriss and think he is a must take with WAS pick. Athletic, does a great job at stretching the floor, can take his defender from the three point line. I think he could fit really well in our offense. Raw defender but that will improve with maturity... 18yrs old and relatively new to the game. Unfortunately I do think that his stock will rise through his workouts and he will end up being a top 10 pick.

[bwgood77]

And Simmons couldn't even lead LSU to a March Madness birth with a decent supporting cast and tailormade system that gave him the free reigns, his fault for choosing to play fora subpar program under his godfather. LSU turned down the NIT bid because he knew it wouldn't help his case. a true competitor wouldn't back down from the occasion. All while committing 40 turnovers to 42 assists his past 10 games, barely breaking even. I would hesitate before giving him the keys to the car running a half court offense, he thrives in transition and is not the functional equivalent of a PG.

I won't pretend to know the reason he couldn't lead that team, but I kind of mentioned something similar in the draft forum in response to someone who said he's a generational talent.

I read some time later in a thread about him, in that forum, from an LSU fan, that the other players really didn't like that all the attention was on him all the time, and often didn't even get him involved, and the coach really didn't allow him to run the offense or put him in the best position to succeed. Now I can't vouch for whether or how much of this is true, but perhaps that had something to do with his problem of getting them to the tourney.

Also, guys like Jabari and Wiggins were on pretty stacked teams going into the tourney and they both fizzled out pretty quickly. Jabari led Duke to a first round exit against 14 seeded Mercer, while Wiggins led Kansas to a second round exit against 10th seeded Stanford (though that also led me to believe they might be overhyped).

I mean I supposes its true to a certain degree,Simmons tried to take a backseat and play off the ball unsuccesfully. But LSU basically ran with 4 guards pl alongside him who would leak out so he could crash the boards and push the break. SImmons would sometimes get cold feet in crunch time. passing up good looks when defenders sag off him knowing that he has non-existent jumper, deferring to Quarterman/Blankensley to bail him out

It's really too bad he didn't go play at a place like Duke, or heck, he would have been nice at AZ, even at the pg position..or a number of schools like Kansas and others with more talent....possibly paired with Hield in OK.

[bwgood77]

I am quite impressed with Chriss and think he is a must take with WAS pick. Athletic, does a great job at stretching the floor, can take his defender from the three point line. I think he could fit really well in our offense. Raw defender but that will improve with maturity... 18yrs old and relatively new to the game. Unfortunately I do think that his stock will rise through his workouts and he will end up being a top 10 pick.

If we drop to 6 I'd definitely consider taking him there, or even trading down if outside top 3.

[kennydorglas]

Simmons just dogged the entire season

I think this situation its pretty simple.
He'll be the #1 pick if LAL win the lottery.

This is the Kobe situation all over again
I cant wait to see him refusing to work w/ other teams
He just signed with the worst agent to shy away more teams.

[saintEscaton]

Simmons just dogged the entire season

I think this situation its pretty simple.
He'll be the #1 pick if LAL win the lottery.

This is the Kobe situation all over again
I cant wait to see him refusing to work w/ other teams
He just signed with the worst agent to shy away more teams.

But he is living in Phoenix until June, this obviously means that he will force his way here!

[SC923]

I am quite impressed with Chriss and think he is a must take with WAS pick. Athletic, does a great job at stretching the floor, can take his defender from the three point line. I think he could fit really well in our offense. Raw defender but that will improve with maturity... 18yrs old and relatively new to the game. Unfortunately I do think that his stock will rise through his workouts and he will end up being a top 10 pick.

If we drop to 6 I'd definitely consider taking him there, or even trading down if outside top 3.

With so many unknowns in this draft I would probably take him anywhere outside the top 5 as well. I think he was six in Fords mock from last week

[bwgood77]

I am quite impressed with Chriss and think he is a must take with WAS pick. Athletic, does a great job at stretching the floor, can take his defender from the three point line. I think he could fit really well in our offense. Raw defender but that will improve with maturity... 18yrs old and relatively new to the game. Unfortunately I do think that his stock will rise through his workouts and he will end up being a top 10 pick.

If we drop to 6 I'd definitely consider taking him there, or even trading down if outside top 3.

With so many unknowns in this draft I would probably take him anywhere outside the top 5 as well. I think he was six in Fords mock from last week

If we drop to 6, him and Sabonis might be a good duo PF combo to rotate there depending on need and performance. They almost have the exact opposite strengths and weaknesses.

[AtheJ415]

Hield FT%

Year 2 - 75%
Year 3 - 82%
Year 4 - 88% (176 / 200 FTs)

If I was Ryan McDonough I'd have that on a post-it note on my fridge the morning of the draft, in case someone was trying to get in my head about him being a Senior who just beat up on smaller, less experienced, younger college guys.

It's one of the queries I have with Ingram who shoots 68% at the line, and his argument for going no.1 is being an elite shooter.

If anything, that tells me that guys can improve drastically in 3 years. Ingram is over 3 years younger than Hield. That matters. Why would Hield be able to make those jumps but not Ingram?

[bwgood77]

Hield FT%

Year 2 - 75%
Year 3 - 82%
Year 4 - 88% (176 / 200 FTs)

If I was Ryan McDonough I'd have that on a post-it note on my fridge the morning of the draft, in case someone was trying to get in my head about him being a Senior who just beat up on smaller, less experienced, younger college guys.

It's one of the queries I have with Ingram who shoots 68% at the line, and his argument for going no.1 is being an elite shooter.

If anything, that tells me that guys can improve drastically in 3 years. Ingram is over 3 years younger than Hield. That matters. Why would Hield be able to make those jumps but not Ingram?

Jumps to that extent are fairly rare, particularly the ones he made in 3pt% and fg% between year's 3 and 4. Perhaps Ingram can, but just because one guy can pull off such a rare feat, I wouldn't make an estimation another guy can do the same thing.

[AtheJ415]

Hield FT%

Year 2 - 75%
Year 3 - 82%
Year 4 - 88% (176 / 200 FTs)

If I was Ryan McDonough I'd have that on a post-it note on my fridge the morning of the draft, in case someone was trying to get in my head about him being a Senior who just beat up on smaller, less experienced, younger college guys.

It's one of the queries I have with Ingram who shoots 68% at the line, and his argument for going no.1 is being an elite shooter.

If anything, that tells me that guys can improve drastically in 3 years. Ingram is over 3 years younger than Hield. That matters. Why would Hield be able to make those jumps but not Ingram?

Jumps to that extent are fairly rare, particularly the ones he made in 3pt% and fg% between year's 3 and 4. Perhaps Ingram can, but just because one guy can pull off such a rare feat, I wouldn't make an estimation another guy can do the same thing.

It certainly doesn't mean they can't. Point being that you cannot throw 3 years of development time out the window as a non-factor. One guy having a mammoth jump in a single year just proves how valuable that time really is.

[Mulhollanddrive]

Lillard, McCollum, Thompson are the reason I think people were sleeping on Hield.

But before that was Fredette.

[Frank Lee]

......
WUT?
OK I agree I don't see teams being attracted with Chandler and his contract. Knight is tradeable imo. I'm not saying we could get much for him but with rising cap he could be dumped. But Bledsoe? The same Bledsoe who looked like All-Star and top 5 pg in the league at the start of the year? Untradeable, my a$$.
And yeah no pick other than Book woth a crap. Someone posted few days ago a comparison of Warren and more hyped sf from the same draft (Wiggins, Parker and McDermott) showing that he isn't worse than any of them. Len worst case will be rebounding specialist and decent starting center best case he will be Tyson Chanlder (prime, not today Chandler) with better offense. It looks Suns gave up on Archie but for 29th pick in bad draft it was good risk to take.
Oh, but there is Alec Brown! What a bust! He should get McD fired! How can you have 50th pick and not get a superstar with it!?

Frank have you brought anything other than negativity on this board? One trade idea you posted here was Simmons and Bledsoe for Kevin Love. Maybe you should became a Nets fan? Their team building strategy should please you.

Dude...was just agreeing with the less than thrilled take on McMully. And you need to get your head out of the sandbox...his job is on the line.

there is no guarantee on anyone on this roster not named Booker. I could easily see LeBron making his dream come partially true by signing Wade and swinging a Melo deal.... one mentioned here somewhere I think... Melo to Cleve, Bled to NY, and Love to Phnx.

Oooo... but thats negative ... shame on me or anyone who doesn't think McMully will just cram his hands in his pockets and make his picks 'cause thats his forte....while the rest of the GMs wheel and deal with virtually no cap restrictions. This off season is primed for some serious shuffling and possible blowups league wide. Suns included. I look forward to gutting this team. History says we'll have 6-7 new guys anyway.... and I'm not expecting half to be rooks.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

I get that Chriss has athleticism and shooting, which are important, but why were his rebounding numbers so low? Why did he lead the NCAA in fouls? Six seems a little high to me. The likes of Sabonis and Ellenson would eat him up inside. Brice Johnson is just as athletic, but instead of hitting three balls, Brice hits the glass. IDK.

[bwgood77]

If anything, that tells me that guys can improve drastically in 3 years. Ingram is over 3 years younger than Hield. That matters. Why would Hield be able to make those jumps but not Ingram?

Jumps to that extent are fairly rare, particularly the ones he made in 3pt% and fg% between year's 3 and 4. Perhaps Ingram can, but just because one guy can pull off such a rare feat, I wouldn't make an estimation another guy can do the same thing.

It certainly doesn't mean they can't. Point being that you cannot throw 3 years of development time out the window as a non-factor. One guy having a mammoth jump in a single year just proves how valuable that time really is.

No doubt it's valuable, but just as many guys don't jump, particularly to that extent, and he didn't just do it in one year, he's done it every year.

However, I'd easily take Ingram over Hield anyway, so I guess it doesn't matter. And if we compared freshman years, Ingram probably has a far better starting point, and also plays a position more in need for us.

[batsmasher]

Side note: we are 210% guaranteed that Wiz pick will be 13th in the draft. Because Suns.

[gaspar]

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[Saberestar]

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My first impression after seeing these two vids is that he is really similar to Markieff Morris. A face-up PF who is a little bit smaller, a bellow average defender with a ton of foul's problems.

He has the same inconsistent motor...IDK, I prefer other options over him with that Washington pick.

[jcsunsfan]

Hield FT%

Year 2 - 75%
Year 3 - 82%
Year 4 - 88% (176 / 200 FTs)

If I was Ryan McDonough I'd have that on a post-it note on my fridge the morning of the draft, in case someone was trying to get in my head about him being a Senior who just beat up on smaller, less experienced, younger college guys.

It's one of the queries I have with Ingram who shoots 68% at the line, and his argument for going no.1 is being an elite shooter.

If anything, that tells me that guys can improve drastically in 3 years. Ingram is over 3 years younger than Hield. That matters. Why would Hield be able to make those jumps but not Ingram?

Its the difference between choosing a lottery ticket that you already know is a winner, and choosing one that you hope will be a winner. The value of youth is potential. When a player that is older has already proven to have fulfilled that potential, it does not make him less valuable, it makes him more valuable than the younger player. Older players are less valuable when the potential is still unrealized.

I am not advocating taking Hield over Ingram, but drafting Ingram is much more risky. Sometimes the risk is worth it.