Draft Thread Part 2

[TASTIC]

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Brogdon would be ideal pick as our late 1st. Sure he might have limited upside but potential to be a Raja/Danny Green 3 and D guy with great size. Lights out FT% guy too. We need some maturity and a pitbull to eventually replace Tucker as the defensive energy guy.

[letsgosuns]

Chad Ford reported the Suns are considering picking Marquese Chriss with the 4th pick. I watched his highlights and he looks pretty good. Has some really good averages too. Shoots from the outside and dunks with power and looks really athletic. Also blocks a lot of shots. Seems like he could be a good pick.

[darealjuice]

Agreed. Better prospect than Chriss long-term.

I guarantee Murray doesn't turn out better than Chriss

You guarantee it? Ok. What makes you say so?

I've seen them up close. Chriss is a good player. But, so is Murray. The reason Chriss is going to be drafted ahead of Murray is because he's an athletic big (Always valued more). I've seen Murray in the top 20 in a lot of mocks. How good a player ends up being, isn't determined by where they are drafted. Heck IT was the 60th pick. Its very possible Murray could end up the better player. His mentor is Jamal Crawford. A lot of Crawford to his game.

What makes you say Dejounte Murray will be? To me, Murray-type prospects are pretty much a dime-a-dozen. Low basketball IQ combo guards that get by on their athleticism without having a jump shot don't usually make it that far. He's got really good ball handling skills and gets to the rim well, but he was an inefficient scorer from basically everywhere on the court, his shot has bit of a hitch and his release isn't always the same, he was very loose with the ball both in transition and in the half court, he struggled to make the right or even simple pass leading him to being a turnover machine, he was really inconsistent and had trouble with guards of similar athleticism that were physical with him, and he was a very uninspired and undisciplined defender at Washington. He's a flashy transition player right now, everything to him is a fast break starting with him repeatedly trying to get his own shot while driving into multiple defenders. I think he's really fun to watch, especially when he plays against teams with less athletic guards that let him get into the lane at will, but he won't be able to get that done at the next level nearly as well as he does in college and his overall game needs a lot of refining. Don't get me wrong, if he gets ended up somewhere like the Clippers, Warriors, or Blazers and gets to grow in an environment that will emphasize guard development while he learns behind an elite guard, then he could have a shot at developing into a very good guard. I know you can say this about most prospects, but I think how his career is going to be is heavily dependent on where he gets drafted. This might sound like a lazy comparison considering he's sort of Murray's mentor, but I think his ceiling is somewhere around prime Jamal Crawford if he gets put in the right position and improve his jump shot significantly, which is good, but right now he's a lot like Archie Goodwin with significantly better ball handling and more playmaking ability.

The Marquese Chriss to Amare Stoudamire (I see very little similarity in their games), Ed Davis, insert random bust big man that was only ever a dunker here, etc. comparisons are really lazy in my opinion. Bigs with his mobility, athleticism, and natural shooting stroke from outside are not common prospects, and those guys came into the league as guys that had very little ability outside of the paint. That's not to say Chriss is anywhere near a finished product, because he's not and definitely has some holes in his game that need to be patched up, but in my opinion he has the highest upside of anyone outside of the Top 2, the controversy on him is that he could have a lower floor than most players in the lottery. Part of why I think he'll being able to fill those holes is because he's only played competitive basketball for 4 years, so his bad habits shouldn't be deeply engrained, and his coaching at Washington was very sub par (no offense if you're a UW basketball fan, but not making being able to get into the tournament with the leading PAC scorer and 2 first rounders is pretty bad). After his rookie contract, he'll have doubled the amount of time that he's played basketball at a competitive level, which gives me a bit of optimism that he has a lot more room to continue to grow as a player and with good coaching can improve on his weaknesses and continue to refine his strengths. His defensive rebounding rate was terrible at Washington, but as far as I saw his issue lies in his technique once the shot goes up, not inability to rebound. He got caught watching the ball in the air when shots went up and trying to out jump his man a lot instead of getting his body into them, boxing them out, and creating space to get the board, but that shouldn't be too hard to drill into him. With the knack he showed for rebounding on the offensive end, I find it hard to believe that NBA coaches can't figure out a way to transfer a bit of that ability to the defensive end. His foul trouble is concerning, but hopefully correcting his rebounding issue will eliminate a lot of his unnecessary over-the-back fouls and working on his defensive discipline, especially not jumping at every shot fake guards give him when he gets caught out on a switch, will help him bring that down. I was impressed with his ability to be able to contain guards coming off of pick and rolls and not get beat to the rim, his problem was bailing them out with fouls on tough shots at the rim and getting caught in the air on shot fakes too frequently. His offensive skill set needs polish, but he's got a good base to work from with solid ball handling skills for his size, a smooth turn around jump shot in the mid-range, and a compact shot that he was able to hit pretty consistently from outside. I don't see him being a banger type of big like Thomas Robinson, Ed Davis, or a lot of the guys people here compare him to, none of those guys shot a remotely significant amount of mid-range or 3-point shots in college like Chriss did. He put up some of the highlight dunks those guys did, but in my opinion he'll project to be a Markieff Morris-type of Power Forward that can dive to the hoop, float around the mid-range, and step out on the perimeter, except he's twice as athletic, is taller and longer, plays well above the rim, is more fluid/mobile, is a much better rim protector, and hopefully has a lot less of the attitude. I agree with your thoughts that 4 is too early to draft him, but considering the flexibility we have in this draft with 3 first rounders and trade assets, you could argue he'd be worth a swing for the fences for if he knocks his workouts and interviews out of the park.

Maybe I shouldn't have said I guarantee he'll be better, that was obviously a bit much considering we haven't seen either at the NBA level yet. I just think that Chriss will have a lot more opportunity to succeed in the league because he has a unique combination of top tier athleticism, size, and ability to play outside as a power forward, while Murray will be playing at the most talented and saturated position in the league right now and needs just as much work before he will see significant playing time. They both have potential to be good NBA players, and I wasn't trying to say Murray sucks or anything, I actually believe I've told you I like him as a prospect before and think he's underrated, but I really liked what I saw from Chriss when I watched Washington a good bit in conference play and how he closed out his season in the Pac 12 Tournament and NIT, and have been pretty high on him for awhile.

[saintEscaton]

Got to be careful with Chriss.

Hakim Warrick, Stromile Swift were super athletic PFs drafted mainly due to their athleticism.

The Chriss and Amare comparison ends at the athleticism alone. Amare was an excellent rim protector at high school and was incredibly strong and explosive....

One thing that Chriss does have over Amare is the outside shoot but one of the best things about Amare was his ability to draw fouls and you know that Chriss is not going to be doing that.

I don't think we know what any prospect will be able to do in the future. I think Chriss has a pretty good handle so if he is athletic there really isn't a reason he wouldn't be able to draw a lot of fouls.

That is if he's still on the floor and not on the bench. He fouled out of almost half of his games (15/34)

[Cactus Jack]

I guarantee Murray doesn't turn out better than Chriss

You guarantee it? Ok. What makes you say so?

I've seen them up close. Chriss is a good player. But, so is Murray. The reason Chriss is going to be drafted ahead of Murray is because he's an athletic big (Always valued more). I've seen Murray in the top 20 in a lot of mocks. How good a player ends up being, isn't determined by where they are drafted. Heck IT was the 60th pick. Its very possible Murray could end up the better player. His mentor is Jamal Crawford. A lot of Crawford to his game.

What makes you say Dejounte Murray will be? To me, Murray-type prospects are pretty much a dime-a-dozen. Low basketball IQ combo guards that get by on their athleticism without having a jump shot don't usually make it that far. He's got really good ball handling skills and gets to the rim well, but he was an inefficient scorer from basically everywhere on the court, his shot has bit of a hitch and his release isn't always the same, he was very loose with the ball both in transition and in the half court, he struggled to make the right or even simple pass leading him to being a turnover machine, he was really inconsistent and had trouble with guards of similar athleticism that were physical with him, and he was a very uninspired and undisciplined defender at Washington. He's a flashy transition player right now, everything to him is a fast break starting him constantly trying to get his own shot while trying to drive into multiple defenders. I think he's really fun to watch, especially when he plays against teams with less athletic guards that let him get into the lane at will, but he won't be able to get that done at the next level nearly as well as he does in college and his overall game needs a lot of refining. Don't get me wrong, if he gets ended up somewhere like the Clippers, Warriors, or Blazers and gets to grow in an environment that will emphasize guard development while he learns behind an elite guard, then he could have a shot at developing into a very good guard. I know you can say this about most prospects, but I think how his career is going to be is heavily dependent on where he gets drafted. This might sound like a lazy comparison considering he's sort of Murray's mentor, but I think his ceiling is somewhere around prime Jamal Crawford if he gets put in the right position and improve his jump shot significantly, which is good, but right now he's a lot like Archie Goodwin with significantly better ball handling and more playmaking ability.

The Marquese Chriss to Amare Stoudamire (I see very little similarity in their games), Ed Davis, insert random bust big man that was only ever a dunker here, etc. comparisons are really lazy in my opinion. Bigs with his mobility, athleticism, and natural shooting stroke from outside are not common prospects, and those guys came into the league as guys that had very little ability outside of the paint. That's not to say Chriss is anywhere near a finished product, because he's not and definitely has some holes in his game that need to be patched up, but in my opinion he has the highest upside of anyone outside of the Top 2, the controversy on him is that he could have a lower floor than most players in the lottery. Part of why I think he'll being able to fill those holes is because he's only played competitive basketball for 4 years, so his bad habits shouldn't be deeply engrained, and his coaching at Washington was very sub par (no offense if you're a UW basketball fan, but not making being able to get into the tournament with the leading PAC scorer and 2 first rounders is pretty bad). After his rookie contract, he'll have doubled the amount of time that he's played basketball at a competitive level, which gives me a bit of optimism that he has a lot more room to continue to grow as a player and with good coaching can improve on his weaknesses and continue to refine his strengths. His defensive rebounding rate was terrible at Washington, but as far as I saw his issue lies in his technique once the shot goes up, not inability to rebound. He got caught watching the ball in the air when shots went up and trying to out jump his man a lot instead of getting his body into them, boxing them out, and creating space to get the board, but that shouldn't be too hard to drill into him. With the knack he showed for rebounding on the offensive end, I find it hard to believe that NBA coaches can't figure out a way to transfer a bit of that ability to the defensive end. His foul trouble is concerning, but hopefully correcting his rebounding issue will eliminate a lot of his unnecessary over-the-back fouls and working on his defensive discipline, especially not jumping at every shot fake guards give him when he gets caught out on a switch, will help him bring that down. I was impressed with his ability to be able to contain guards coming off of pick and rolls and not get beat to the rim, his problem was bailing them out with fouls on tough shots at the rim and getting caught in the air on shot fakes too frequently. His offensive skill set needs polish, but he's got a good base to work from with solid ball handling skills for his size, a smooth turn around jump shot in the mid-range, and a compact shot that he was able to hit pretty consistently from outside. I don't see him being a banger type of big like Thomas Robinson, Ed Davis, or a lot of the guys people here compare him to, none of those guys shot a remotely significant amount of mid-range or 3-point shots in college like Chriss did. He put up some of the highlight dunks those guys did, but in my opinion he'll project to be a Markieff Morris-type of Power Forward that can dive to the hoop, float around the mid-range, and step out on the perimeter, except he's twice as athletic, is taller and longer, plays well above the rim, is more fluid/mobile, is a much better rim protector, and hopefully has a lot less of the attitude. I agree with your thoughts that 4 is too early to draft him, but considering the flexibility we have in this draft with 3 first rounders and trade assets, you could argue he'd be worth a swing for the fences for if he knocks his workouts and interviews out of the park.

Maybe I shouldn't have said I guarantee he'll be better, that was obviously a bit much considering we haven't seen either at the NBA level yet. I just think that Chriss will have a lot more opportunity to succeed in the league because he has a unique combination of top tier athleticism, size, and ability to play outside as a power forward, while Murray will be playing at the most talented and saturated position in the league right now and needs just as much work before he will see significant playing time. They both have potential to be good NBA players, and I wasn't trying to say Murray sucks or anything, I actually believe I've told you I like him as a prospect before and think he's underrated, but I really liked what I saw from Chriss when I watched Washington a good bit in conference play and how he closed out his season in the Pac 12 Tournament and NIT, and have been pretty high on him for awhile.

Damn man, you really went into detail I see.

I'm not saying Murray will be by far the better player. I'm just not big on Chriss is all. Both could have decent careers. Just not a fan of taking (A reach imo) that type of player in the top 5. IF he is still available at 13, I would have no issue with the selection.

[Cactus Jack]

Chad Ford reported the Suns are considering picking Marquese Chriss with the 4th pick. I watched his highlights and he looks pretty good. Has some really good averages too. Shoots from the outside and dunks with power and looks really athletic. Also blocks a lot of shots. Seems like he could be a good pick.

Highlights can be misleading.

[bwgood77]

One thing that Chriss does have over Amare is the outside shoot but one of the best things about Amare was his ability to draw fouls and you know that Chriss is not going to be doing that.

I don't think we know what any prospect will be able to do in the future. I think Chriss has a pretty good handle so if he is athletic there really isn't a reason he wouldn't be able to draw a lot of fouls.

That is if he's still on the floor and not on the bench. He fouled out of almost half of his games (15/34)

I'm more worried about his rebounding than his fouls..yes those are both worries as is iq. I think he has a bigger bust factor than Bender and could wash out of the league quickly if he doesn't get it. If he does, who knows?

[bwgood77]

Chad Ford reported the Suns are considering picking Marquese Chriss with the 4th pick. I watched his highlights and he looks pretty good. Has some really good averages too. Shoots from the outside and dunks with power and looks really athletic. Also blocks a lot of shots. Seems like he could be a good pick.

Highlights can be misleading.

Sure, but they are called highlights for a reason. I know you like more polished guys, but the PFs in this draft are not too polished. ..Sabonis closest.

[LukasBMW]

Chad Ford reported the Suns are considering picking Marquese Chriss with the 4th pick. I watched his highlights and he looks pretty good. Has some really good averages too. Shoots from the outside and dunks with power and looks really athletic. Also blocks a lot of shots. Seems like he could be a good pick.

Highlights can be misleading.

Cactus, I know earlier you mentioned you followed him in college and you've said on a few occasions that you don't think he'd be a good pick. You might have also posted why you thought this, but I may have missed it. Can you tell us why you think we should pass?

He looks super athletic. On some of his dunks his head is well above the rim. I also know he is raw, but I think his size, athletic talent, and ability to attack the rim with force or hit outside shots make him an ideal modern 4 if he is willing to work.

[darealjuice]

You guarantee it? Ok. What makes you say so?

I've seen them up close. Chriss is a good player. But, so is Murray. The reason Chriss is going to be drafted ahead of Murray is because he's an athletic big (Always valued more). I've seen Murray in the top 20 in a lot of mocks. How good a player ends up being, isn't determined by where they are drafted. Heck IT was the 60th pick. Its very possible Murray could end up the better player. His mentor is Jamal Crawford. A lot of Crawford to his game.

Spoiler:

What makes you say Dejounte Murray will be? To me, Murray-type prospects are pretty much a dime-a-dozen. Low basketball IQ combo guards that get by on their athleticism without having a jump shot don't usually make it that far. He's got really good ball handling skills and gets to the rim well, but he was an inefficient scorer from basically everywhere on the court, his shot has bit of a hitch and his release isn't always the same, he was very loose with the ball both in transition and in the half court, he struggled to make the right or even simple pass leading him to being a turnover machine, he was really inconsistent and had trouble with guards of similar athleticism that were physical with him, and he was a very uninspired and undisciplined defender at Washington. He's a flashy transition player right now, everything to him is a fast break starting him constantly trying to get his own shot while trying to drive into multiple defenders. I think he's really fun to watch, especially when he plays against teams with less athletic guards that let him get into the lane at will, but he won't be able to get that done at the next level nearly as well as he does in college and his overall game needs a lot of refining. Don't get me wrong, if he gets ended up somewhere like the Clippers, Warriors, or Blazers and gets to grow in an environment that will emphasize guard development while he learns behind an elite guard, then he could have a shot at developing into a very good guard. I know you can say this about most prospects, but I think how his career is going to be is heavily dependent on where he gets drafted. This might sound like a lazy comparison considering he's sort of Murray's mentor, but I think his ceiling is somewhere around prime Jamal Crawford if he gets put in the right position and improve his jump shot significantly, which is good, but right now he's a lot like Archie Goodwin with significantly better ball handling and more playmaking ability.

The Marquese Chriss to Amare Stoudamire (I see very little similarity in their games), Ed Davis, insert random bust big man that was only ever a dunker here, etc. comparisons are really lazy in my opinion. Bigs with his mobility, athleticism, and natural shooting stroke from outside are not common prospects, and those guys came into the league as guys that had very little ability outside of the paint. That's not to say Chriss is anywhere near a finished product, because he's not and definitely has some holes in his game that need to be patched up, but in my opinion he has the highest upside of anyone outside of the Top 2, the controversy on him is that he could have a lower floor than most players in the lottery. Part of why I think he'll being able to fill those holes is because he's only played competitive basketball for 4 years, so his bad habits shouldn't be deeply engrained, and his coaching at Washington was very sub par (no offense if you're a UW basketball fan, but not making being able to get into the tournament with the leading PAC scorer and 2 first rounders is pretty bad). After his rookie contract, he'll have doubled the amount of time that he's played basketball at a competitive level, which gives me a bit of optimism that he has a lot more room to continue to grow as a player and with good coaching can improve on his weaknesses and continue to refine his strengths. His defensive rebounding rate was terrible at Washington, but as far as I saw his issue lies in his technique once the shot goes up, not inability to rebound. He got caught watching the ball in the air when shots went up and trying to out jump his man a lot instead of getting his body into them, boxing them out, and creating space to get the board, but that shouldn't be too hard to drill into him. With the knack he showed for rebounding on the offensive end, I find it hard to believe that NBA coaches can't figure out a way to transfer a bit of that ability to the defensive end. His foul trouble is concerning, but hopefully correcting his rebounding issue will eliminate a lot of his unnecessary over-the-back fouls and working on his defensive discipline, especially not jumping at every shot fake guards give him when he gets caught out on a switch, will help him bring that down. I was impressed with his ability to be able to contain guards coming off of pick and rolls and not get beat to the rim, his problem was bailing them out with fouls on tough shots at the rim and getting caught in the air on shot fakes too frequently. His offensive skill set needs polish, but he's got a good base to work from with solid ball handling skills for his size, a smooth turn around jump shot in the mid-range, and a compact shot that he was able to hit pretty consistently from outside. I don't see him being a banger type of big like Thomas Robinson, Ed Davis, or a lot of the guys people here compare him to, none of those guys shot a remotely significant amount of mid-range or 3-point shots in college like Chriss did. He put up some of the highlight dunks those guys did, but in my opinion he'll project to be a Markieff Morris-type of Power Forward that can dive to the hoop, float around the mid-range, and step out on the perimeter, except he's twice as athletic, is taller and longer, plays well above the rim, is more fluid/mobile, is a much better rim protector, and hopefully has a lot less of the attitude. I agree with your thoughts that 4 is too early to draft him, but considering the flexibility we have in this draft with 3 first rounders and trade assets, you could argue he'd be worth a swing for the fences for if he knocks his workouts and interviews out of the park.

Maybe I shouldn't have said I guarantee he'll be better, that was obviously a bit much considering we haven't seen either at the NBA level yet. I just think that Chriss will have a lot more opportunity to succeed in the league because he has a unique combination of top tier athleticism, size, and ability to play outside as a power forward, while Murray will be playing at the most talented and saturated position in the league right now and needs just as much work before he will see significant playing time. They both have potential to be good NBA players, and I wasn't trying to say Murray sucks or anything, I actually believe I've told you I like him as a prospect before and think he's underrated, but I really liked what I saw from Chriss when I watched Washington a good bit in conference play and how he closed out his season in the Pac 12 Tournament and NIT, and have been pretty high on him for awhile.

Damn man, you really went into detail I see.

I'm not saying Murray will be by far the better player. I'm just not big on Chriss is all. Both could have decent careers. Just not a fan of taking (A reach imo) that type of player in the top 5. IF he is still available at 13, I would have no issue with the selection.

Haha sorry man, I didn't want to say something so absolute without backing my thoughts up sufficiently lol.

I think that he's probably a bit of a reach at the top 5, but I've been saying since the end of conference tournament play that he'll climb up draft boards big time and he definitely has lol. I literally sent my buddy highlight reels and **** of him on March 14th (just checked my texts lol) saying he was going to be a Top 10 pick before he was even on the 2016 Mock Draft on DraftExpress, now look at what one of the lead scouts has to say:

[tweet]https://twitter.com/Mike_Schmitz/status/736355010057904128[/tweet]

[LukasBMW]

Chad Ford reported the Suns are considering picking Marquese Chriss with the 4th pick. I watched his highlights and he looks pretty good. Has some really good averages too. Shoots from the outside and dunks with power and looks really athletic. Also blocks a lot of shots. Seems like he could be a good pick.

I wonder what this is based off. Did he have a secret workout with the Suns? What were his combine stats? We all know McDonough loves athletic combine numbers.

I also wouldn't be surprised if this was a smoke screen, and we really wanted Skal at #4. McDonough is sneaky.

[saintEscaton]

Chad Ford reported the Suns are considering picking Marquese Chriss with the 4th pick. I watched his highlights and he looks pretty good. Has some really good averages too. Shoots from the outside and dunks with power and looks really athletic. Also blocks a lot of shots. Seems like he could be a good pick.

I wonder what this is based off. Did he have a secret workout with the Suns? What were his combine stats? We all know McDonough loves athletic combine numbers.

I also wouldn't be surprised if this was a smoke screen, and we really wanted Skal at #4. McDonough is sneaky.

If I ever recovered from the aneurysm that would induce I would resign my fanhood unless Hinkie takes over

[Cactus Jack]

Chad Ford reported the Suns are considering picking Marquese Chriss with the 4th pick. I watched his highlights and he looks pretty good. Has some really good averages too. Shoots from the outside and dunks with power and looks really athletic. Also blocks a lot of shots. Seems like he could be a good pick.

Highlights can be misleading.

Cactus, I know earlier you mentioned you followed him in college and you've said on a few occasions that you don't think he'd be a good pick. You might have also posted why you thought this, but I may have missed it. Can you tell us why you think we should pass?

He looks super athletic. On some of his dunks his head is well above the rim. I also know he is raw, but I think his size, athletic talent, and ability to attack the rim with force or hit outside shots make him an ideal modern 4 if he is willing to work.

I wrote this earlier

Chriss to me screams ED Davis type with a jump shot. A bit undersized stretch four. Solid rotation player. Worthy of a late lottery pick. Nothing more. Ironically Davis was picked 13th.

I originally responded because I thought people were getting a little too carried away with his true upside. The Amare comparisons, etc. Again, I believe he can be a solid player in the right situation. But, I wouldn't take him over guys like Hield, Murray, Dunn, Brown & even Bender. Who are better prospects & have greater potential. Most drafts he wouldn't be a top 10 pick.

[dremill24]

Ed Davis with a jumpshot = pretty good Player, no?

[darealjuice]

http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/nba/suns/2016/05/27/wade-baldwin-iv-brings-rare-point-guard-look-draft/85060450/

Pretty good article on Wade Baldwin IV after workout with the Suns today, even has some comments on him from McDonough.

[Cactus Jack]

Ed Davis with a jumpshot = pretty good Player, no?

Sure, but worthy of taking at 4? Good NBA role player. Not a star.

[thamadkant]

Marques Chriss looks like a tweener to me.
Small forward game and mentality...short reach at 8'9... Skinny build.... Long neck.... He is a tallish Small forward IMO... With excellent atheleticism..

I wont judge him on his highlight reels but his fundamentals..

[darealjuice]

Come on now, comparing him to Ed Davis is disingenuous. Davis literally could only get his points on drop offs and alley oops, Chriss has a much better mid-range game with him even without considering his jump shot and he actually showed ability to create shots for himself

[gaspar]

Got to be careful with Chriss.

Hakim Warrick, Stromile Swift were super athletic PFs drafted mainly due to their athleticism.

The Chriss and Amare comparison ends at the athleticism alone. Amare was an excellent rim protector at high school and was incredibly strong and explosive....

I don't know why people compare him to Amare anyway. Yeah, he is an athletic guy who can dunk, but his strengths are blocking shots and hitting the 3, and Amare's were mostly strictly as a finisher.

What you would hope for is a prime Ibaka with him if he learns how to rebound.

To me he looks like a cross between Terrence Jones and Gerald Green, which is not necessarily a bad thing.

[TeamTragic]

Chad Ford reported the Suns are considering picking Marquese Chriss with the 4th pick. I watched his highlights and he looks pretty good. Has some really good averages too. Shoots from the outside and dunks with power and looks really athletic. Also blocks a lot of shots. Seems like he could be a good pick.

What the ****?