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2020 NBA Draft Prospect Watch - Revised Poll

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Who do you prefer of the following prospects?

Desmond Bane
12
41%
Saddiq Bey
1
3%
RJ Hampton
1
3%
Kira Lewis Jr
4
14%
Tyrese Maxey
2
7%
Aaron Nesmith
2
7%
Isaac Okoro
1
3%
Jalen Smith
2
7%
Tyrell Terry
2
7%
Patrick Williams
2
7%
 
Total votes: 29

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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Prospect Watch 

Post#1541 » by GoodBehavior » Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:33 pm

bwgood77 wrote:I hadn't looked at Bane at all, but just pulling up his college #s look impressive.

As a 6'6 guard, over 44% from 3, over 16 ppg, 6 rpg, 4 apg, 1.5 spg

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/desmond-bane-1.html

It's not just one year of great shooting from3 either has his avg for 4 years is 43.3%...shot over 46% one year. Volume of shots higher each year and really high this past year.

This does look like a James Jones pick, and if he's projected to go in the 20s, he sounds like a very likely candidate for Jones to take at 10.



Wouldn't mind him at all. I always thought this team needed a bulkier small forward that can play some power forward. Makes a lot of sense to me. Celtics and Sixers are allegedly also interested.
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Post#1542 » by Saberestar » Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:34 pm

bwgood77 wrote:I hadn't looked at Bane at all, but just pulling up his college #s look impressive.

As a 6'6 guard, over 44% from 3, over 16 ppg, 6 rpg, 4 apg, 1.5 spg

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/desmond-bane-1.html

It's not just one year of great shooting from3 either has his avg for 4 years is 43.3%...shot over 46% one year. Volume of shots higher each year and really high this past year.

This does look like a James Jones pick, and if he's projected to go in the 20s, he sounds like a very likely candidate for Jones to take at 10.

Probably he is just 6'5, but who cares, he looks like a freaking bodybuilder.

This guy can be like PJ Tucker/Royce O'Neale but with better playmaking skills and shooting. A player like that would be gold.

Serious candidate at #10 for me.
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Post#1543 » by Crives » Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:45 pm

bwgood77 wrote:I hadn't looked at Bane at all, but just pulling up his college #s look impressive.

As a 6'6 guard, over 44% from 3, over 16 ppg, 6 rpg, 4 apg, 1.5 spg

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/desmond-bane-1.html

It's not just one year of great shooting from3 either has his avg for 4 years is 43.3%...shot over 46% one year. Volume of shots higher each year and really high this past year.

This does look like a James Jones pick, and if he's projected to go in the 20s, he sounds like a very likely candidate for Jones to take at 10.


I just wish the FT shooting % was a little better
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Post#1544 » by bwgood77 » Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:54 pm

Saberestar wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:I hadn't looked at Bane at all, but just pulling up his college #s look impressive.

As a 6'6 guard, over 44% from 3, over 16 ppg, 6 rpg, 4 apg, 1.5 spg

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/desmond-bane-1.html

It's not just one year of great shooting from3 either has his avg for 4 years is 43.3%...shot over 46% one year. Volume of shots higher each year and really high this past year.

This does look like a James Jones pick, and if he's projected to go in the 20s, he sounds like a very likely candidate for Jones to take at 10.

Probably he is just 6'5, but who cares, he looks like a freaking bodybuilder.

This guy can be like PJ Tucker/Royce O'Neale but with better playmaking skills and shooting. A player like that would be gold.

Serious candidate at #10 for me.


GoodBehavior wrote:Wouldn't mind him at all. I always thought this team needed a bulkier small forward that can play some power forward. Makes a lot of sense to me. Celtics and Sixers are allegedly also interested.


A 6'5 PF....makes me think of Barkley. Some say he was 6'4. It amazes me that Barkley got as many rebounds as he did....especially considering how many true elite Cs there were back then. Barkley averaged almost 12 boards a game his entire career. Over 14 one year.

Of course Bane can't do that, but the shooting will be nice, and the passing, which Barkley was also good at.
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Post#1545 » by bwgood77 » Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:56 pm

Crives wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:I hadn't looked at Bane at all, but just pulling up his college #s look impressive.

As a 6'6 guard, over 44% from 3, over 16 ppg, 6 rpg, 4 apg, 1.5 spg

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/desmond-bane-1.html

It's not just one year of great shooting from3 either has his avg for 4 years is 43.3%...shot over 46% one year. Volume of shots higher each year and really high this past year.

This does look like a James Jones pick, and if he's projected to go in the 20s, he sounds like a very likely candidate for Jones to take at 10.


I just wish the FT shooting % was a little better


Over 80% for his college career, but gets to the line less than twice a game.
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Post#1547 » by Kerrsed » Wed Sep 30, 2020 11:17 pm

Im ok with Bane.

At #10 im not a huge fan. If we trade back, im perfectly fine with it. I have him pretty low on my big board, but thats because of his lack of athleticism. He plays based off of skill and heart. Very good shooter, solid defender, high IQ, and those qualities cover him being undersized, below average length/wingspan, lack of speed and athleticism. I see people talking about him as a SF and even PF, yet i see him more in a SG role. He very well could be that Booker back-up that we have been looking for. The guy can easily come in and be that shooting/scoring threat that we have severely lacked once Booker leaves the game to take a break. Its a very very James Jones pick.
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Post#1548 » by Ghost of Kleine » Wed Sep 30, 2020 11:52 pm

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bwgood77 wrote:I hadn't looked at Banes at all, but just pulling up his college #s look impressive.

As a 6'6 guard, over 44% from 3, over 16 ppg, 6 rpg, 4 apg, 1.5 spg

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/desmond-bane-1.html

It's not just one year of great shooting from3 either has his avg for 4 years is 43.3%...shot over 46% one year. Volume of shots higher each year and really high this past year.

This does look like a James Jones pick, and if he's projected to go in the 20s, he sounds like a very likely candidate for Jones to take at 10.

Probably he is just 6'5, but who cares, he looks like a freaking bodybuilder.

This guy can be like PJ Tucker/Royce O'Neale but with better playmaking skills and shooting. A player like that would be gold.

Serious candidate at #10 for me.


That would be awesome to get a really good 3 or shooting version of PJ Tucker. I had his comp as a better shooting, Yet less athletic Eric Gordon. I still also like Merrill as a supreme value consideration as a late 2nd - undrafted selection. He's also a dead eye shooter.

https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/76ers/2020-nba-draft-profile-sam-merrill-sixers-utah-state-basketball

Perhaps the most cold-blooded shotmaker in college basketball this season, Sam Merrill was an offensive monster for Utah State, scoring 2,197 points in four seasons for the Aggies. In his senior season, he averaged 19.7 points, 4.1 rebounds and 3.9 assists.


Merrill is one of the best shooters in the draft, shooting 42.0 percent from the three-point line and 89.1 percent from the free throw line over his four seasons at Utah State. He has deep range on this three-point shot and can make them in a variety of ways. He has a nice crossover and step-back combo that’s reminiscent of Luka Doncic.  He’ll also run around screens and execute dribble-handoffs like JJ Redick. He doesn’t need much room to get his shot off and can make shots with a defender in his face, which makes that 42.0 three-point percentage even more impressive.


He’s not just a shooter, though, which makes him such a tantalizing prospect. Merrill is also an impressive passer and has tremendous potential as a pick-and-roll ball handler because teams will have to honor his three-point shot. When he drives, he generally makes good decisions and gets teammates the ball in optimal scoring positions. He had a better than 2-to-1 assist-to-turnover ratio in each of the last two seasons, which is excellent for a player who was the fulcrum of the offense. He’s skilled, he’s heady and he plays in control. He also has good height for an NBA ball handler at 6-foot-5.


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Merrill still isn’t exactly a household name but, as teams search for value in the second round and/or on Two-Way contracts, he is an interesting player to evaluate.

On one hand, Merrill is (much) older than a typical modern draft prospect, as he is set to turn 24 on May 15. While that is far from ideal, Merrill does bring an elite skill to the table and, with the way the NBA game is played in 2020, it happens to match up with what is potentially the most marketable trait that a prospect can offer.

In short, Merrill is a tremendous shooter.

The 6’5, 205-pound guard was a four-year contributor at Utah State, but Merrill took on a more prominent role in his final three seasons. Over that three-year sample, Merrill connected on 41.6 percent of his three-point attempts, with a significant portion of those attempts arriving via self-creation. Beyond his impressive efficiency from beyond the arc, Merrill was also able to post a 53.3 percent mark on two-point attempts, representing a wildly impressive figure for a guard with only modest athleticism.

Merrill is an elite free throw shooter, burying 89.2 percent of his attempts from the charity stripe over the last three seasons. All told, Merrill posted a ridiculous 63.1 percent true shooting in that sample and, well, there is very little concern about his jump shot translating in any setting.

As noted, Merrill is not simply a pure catch-and-shoot artist, although that appeal will be crucial as he transitions into a smaller offense role professionally. He does have the ability to shoot on the move, both using off-ball movement and on-ball creation, and Merrill isn’t a player that is a pure specialist. In fact, he is a creative player with the ball in his hands and, despite limited burst, Merrill made a significant jump in free throw creation in his last two seasons, attempting 9.2 free throws per 100 possessions

In addition to his shooting and overall efficiency as a scorer, Merrill is also a strong passer, producing a career 22.2 percent assist rate and 6.3 assists per 100 possessions in his 132-game career. The former Utah State star also does a fantastic job at taking care of ball, with only a 10.6 percent turnover rate in his career, and only a 9.0 percent rate as a senior.


It'd be awesome to get Bane in a trade back scenario or maybe even at 10, To play in a PJ Tucker/ Eric Gordon type of role, Only with elite shooting. But then with a late 2nd - 2 way contract, Also look at signing Merrill to be our off the bench 6th man " Flamethrower " compliment to either Oubre or Cam off the bench. He's seriously the closest thing to Kennard as you'll find.
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Post#1551 » by ImNotMcDiSwear » Thu Oct 1, 2020 1:25 am

It's Bane not Banes y'all. He was the last guy I was gonna write about before I peaced out like a month ago. (Got a new job, so little time for this arena.) I had just written this string of posts predicting that we would draft Jalen Smith. After spending more time looking at Bane, I thought he'd be an even better fit. I like so many players in this draft--not as many as GoK, mind you--but enough to make me more comfortable with the idea of trading back than trading up.

I like that no one knows what we'll do on draft night. I like that we've been linked to every other free agent, and also no one. I feel like we're likely to make prudent decisions, and that I don't need to worry my little head about it.

^I tell myself this only because I've come to the realization that I have no idea who we're going to select on draft night.
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Post#1552 » by bwgood77 » Thu Oct 1, 2020 3:43 am

Kerrsed wrote:Im ok with Bane.

At #10 im not a huge fan. If we trade back, im perfectly fine with it. I have him pretty low on my big board, but thats because of his lack of athleticism. He plays based off of skill and heart. Very good shooter, solid defender, high IQ, and those qualities cover him being undersized, below average length/wingspan, lack of speed and athleticism. I see people talking about him as a SF and even PF, yet i see him more in a SG role. He very well could be that Booker back-up that we have been looking for. The guy can easily come in and be that shooting/scoring threat that we have severely lacked once Booker leaves the game to take a break. Its a very very James Jones pick.


Yeah, I was kind of joking about the PF role...given he is listed as a guard and is an outside shooter and distributor. Reading it just made me think of the fact that Barkley was that height and was a PF and elite rebounder period regardless of position.
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Post#1553 » by Wilber85 » Thu Oct 1, 2020 1:44 pm

Bane at #10 would be horrible.

We could probably get him in the early 2nd round with a trade.
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Post#1554 » by RunDogGun » Thu Oct 1, 2020 1:48 pm

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RunDogGun wrote:It seems some are thinking we would start Smith right away? I don't think he would start his first year, so I don't think it matters who we played and who their starters are. We need guys who attack the glass, protect the rim, and have range to the three. We have enough guys who score, although he can do that as well. The best part is he will work on his game every year, and won't take the ball out of our main scorers' hands.
I don't think Smith or any rookie would start. I do think it's appropriate to factor in how much a guy can share the floor with Ayton though. Assuming Ayton will be here for a while if you take who is only a backup C it diminishes the value of that pick and I'd rather take a swing at a PG prospect because if that pans out it would be huge as Rubio ages and contract runs out.

I think Smith can kind of play with Ayton but it's not an awesome fit. Overall I'd be fine with him as the pick but he wouldn't be my top choice.

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Can I ask why you don't think Smith would work with Ayton?

I don't see Smith as a backup C, not at 225 lb. I still see him as a PF. He sees himself as a PF, and except for a few months at C, he has played the PF spot.

For me, since we passed on Clarke last year, I want to grab a big who fills our needs, has a good motor, and is eager to work on his game. I think he is the type of character our new culture needs.

As far as PGs go, it just seems like the Suns do better with established points, not drafting and molding. Even though we did draft Nash, it wasn't until he left us did he establish himself as a quality point. KJ would probably be the closest, but again we traded for him, and I feel him working with Hornasec, helped him get in the right space. We will see, if a pg falls to us, and that pg has the character fitting of our culture, I am open to that pick. But for now, with the glaring needs we have with rebounding and rim protection, I would rather pick a high quality character player.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Prospect Watch 

Post#1555 » by WeekapaugGroove » Thu Oct 1, 2020 3:29 pm

RunDogGun wrote:
WeekapaugGroove wrote:
RunDogGun wrote:It seems some are thinking we would start Smith right away? I don't think he would start his first year, so I don't think it matters who we played and who their starters are. We need guys who attack the glass, protect the rim, and have range to the three. We have enough guys who score, although he can do that as well. The best part is he will work on his game every year, and won't take the ball out of our main scorers' hands.
I don't think Smith or any rookie would start. I do think it's appropriate to factor in how much a guy can share the floor with Ayton though. Assuming Ayton will be here for a while if you take who is only a backup C it diminishes the value of that pick and I'd rather take a swing at a PG prospect because if that pans out it would be huge as Rubio ages and contract runs out.

I think Smith can kind of play with Ayton but it's not an awesome fit. Overall I'd be fine with him as the pick but he wouldn't be my top choice.

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Can I ask why you don't think Smith would work with Ayton?

I don't see Smith as a backup C, not at 225 lb. I still see him as a PF. He sees himself as a PF, and except for a few months at C, he has played the PF spot.

For me, since we passed on Clarke last year, I want to grab a big who fills our needs, has a good motor, and is eager to work on his game. I think he is the type of character our new culture needs.

As far as PGs go, it just seems like the Suns do better with established points, not drafting and molding. Even though we did draft Nash, it wasn't until he left us did he establish himself as a quality point. KJ would probably be the closest, but again we traded for him, and I feel him working with Hornasec, helped him get in the right space. We will see, if a pg falls to us, and that pg has the character fitting of our culture, I am open to that pick. But for now, with the glaring needs we have with rebounding and rim protection, I would rather pick a high quality character player.
I simply don't think he has the quickness to guard modern 4s for extended periods of time. Now this is in part because I firmly believe they should play small around Ayton, it's possible the suns don't agree with me on that.

I wouldn't hate it if the picked Smith because they could use a backup big and he seems like a decent prospect it just wouldn't be my favorite pick.

As far as developing a PG I do agree it's the riskier move because in general they take time before they are good. Now I don't really take the suns history with that into consideration because to me what's been done with past staffs isn't relevant. They do have the luxury of having Rubio for that guy to play behind for 2 years and even a vet in Payne that you would have for that player to beat out and earn the job. It's about as good of a set up to develop a PG as you'll find but I still admit it's a risk. With that said the roster construction upside of actually hitting on a PG is huge.

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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Prospect Watch 

Post#1556 » by Ghost of Kleine » Thu Oct 1, 2020 3:45 pm

RunDogGun wrote:
WeekapaugGroove wrote:
RunDogGun wrote:It seems some are thinking we would start Smith right away? I don't think he would start his first year, so I don't think it matters who we played and who their starters are. We need guys who attack the glass, protect the rim, and have range to the three. We have enough guys who score, although he can do that as well. The best part is he will work on his game every year, and won't take the ball out of our main scorers' hands.
I don't think Smith or any rookie would start. I do think it's appropriate to factor in how much a guy can share the floor with Ayton though. Assuming Ayton will be here for a while if you take who is only a backup C it diminishes the value of that pick and I'd rather take a swing at a PG prospect because if that pans out it would be huge as Rubio ages and contract runs out.

I think Smith can kind of play with Ayton but it's not an awesome fit. Overall I'd be fine with him as the pick but he wouldn't be my top choice.

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Can I ask why you don't think Smith would work with Ayton?

I don't see Smith as a backup C, not at 225 lb. I still see him as a PF. He sees himself as a PF, and except for a few months at C, he has played the PF spot.

For me, since we passed on Clarke last year, I want to grab a big who fills our needs, has a good motor, and is eager to work on his game. I think he is the type of character our new culture needs.

As far as PGs go, it just seems like the Suns do better with established points, not drafting and molding. Even though we did draft Nash, it wasn't until he left us did he establish himself as a quality point. KJ would probably be the closest, but again we traded for him, and I feel him working with Hornasec, helped him get in the right space. We will see, if a pg falls to us, and that pg has the character fitting of our culture, I am open to that pick. But for now, with the glaring needs we have with rebounding and rim protection, I would rather pick a high quality character player.


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Also, it's not like he doesn't have a perimeter game. I mean he's shooting close to 37% from three, BUT ALSO has a 53% FG/ 62% TS/ and a 59% EFG. And he has a 12.0 BPM.
http://www.tankathon.com/players/jalen-smith

PLUS he has a diverse offensive package, That is developing very well. He's got a strong work ethic, And is very humble and coachable. And his issues of lateral speed can again be remedied in a professional strength and conditioning program. And his passing, and ballhandling are development issues that can be addressed by coach Monty, The assistant coaches, And the development staff. Yes he can also spend time at the 5 sporadically, But as Run pointed out, His current weight being only 225 lbs. Doesn't really afford him the size, girth to battle with the bigger, stronger 5s' in the league. He's a power forward with base switchability at the 5. But his game, like any young big is evolving! And the key scale to his potential success for his high end outcome is his work ethic above other factors, And his is super solid. So I don't have any major concerns over his development and the refinement and polish of his skillset. :D at the 4/5.
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Post#1557 » by RunDogGun » Thu Oct 1, 2020 3:47 pm

WeekapaugGroove wrote:
RunDogGun wrote:
WeekapaugGroove wrote:I don't think Smith or any rookie would start. I do think it's appropriate to factor in how much a guy can share the floor with Ayton though. Assuming Ayton will be here for a while if you take who is only a backup C it diminishes the value of that pick and I'd rather take a swing at a PG prospect because if that pans out it would be huge as Rubio ages and contract runs out.

I think Smith can kind of play with Ayton but it's not an awesome fit. Overall I'd be fine with him as the pick but he wouldn't be my top choice.

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Can I ask why you don't think Smith would work with Ayton?

I don't see Smith as a backup C, not at 225 lb. I still see him as a PF. He sees himself as a PF, and except for a few months at C, he has played the PF spot.

For me, since we passed on Clarke last year, I want to grab a big who fills our needs, has a good motor, and is eager to work on his game. I think he is the type of character our new culture needs.

As far as PGs go, it just seems like the Suns do better with established points, not drafting and molding. Even though we did draft Nash, it wasn't until he left us did he establish himself as a quality point. KJ would probably be the closest, but again we traded for him, and I feel him working with Hornasec, helped him get in the right space. We will see, if a pg falls to us, and that pg has the character fitting of our culture, I am open to that pick. But for now, with the glaring needs we have with rebounding and rim protection, I would rather pick a high quality character player.
I simply don't think he has the quickness to guard modern 4s for extended periods of time. Now this is in part because I firmly believe they should play small around Ayton, it's possible the suns don't agree with me on that.

I wouldn't hate it if the picked Smith because they could use a backup big and he seems like a decent prospect it just wouldn't be my favorite pick.

As far as developing a PG I do agree it's the riskier move because in general they take time before they are good. Now I don't really take the suns history with that into consideration because to me what's been done with past staffs isn't relevant. They do have the luxury of having Rubio for that guy to play behind for 2 years and even a vet in Payne that you would have for that player to beat out and earn the job. It's about as good of a set up to develop a PG as you'll find but I still admit it's a risk. With that said the roster construction upside of actually hitting on a PG is huge.

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Thanks. So how do you feel about Markkanen, which has been a name many here have been discussing as a starting PF?

I agree about having a smallish lineup surrounding Ayton, but I also feel he needs a better rebounder and rim protector to offset some of his own issues. If Smith didn't have the range he does, I think I would have a different take on down the road pairing with Ayton.
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Post#1558 » by WeekapaugGroove » Thu Oct 1, 2020 4:23 pm

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WeekapaugGroove wrote:
RunDogGun wrote:Can I ask why you don't think Smith would work with Ayton?

I don't see Smith as a backup C, not at 225 lb. I still see him as a PF. He sees himself as a PF, and except for a few months at C, he has played the PF spot.

For me, since we passed on Clarke last year, I want to grab a big who fills our needs, has a good motor, and is eager to work on his game. I think he is the type of character our new culture needs.

As far as PGs go, it just seems like the Suns do better with established points, not drafting and molding. Even though we did draft Nash, it wasn't until he left us did he establish himself as a quality point. KJ would probably be the closest, but again we traded for him, and I feel him working with Hornasec, helped him get in the right space. We will see, if a pg falls to us, and that pg has the character fitting of our culture, I am open to that pick. But for now, with the glaring needs we have with rebounding and rim protection, I would rather pick a high quality character player.
I simply don't think he has the quickness to guard modern 4s for extended periods of time. Now this is in part because I firmly believe they should play small around Ayton, it's possible the suns don't agree with me on that.

I wouldn't hate it if the picked Smith because they could use a backup big and he seems like a decent prospect it just wouldn't be my favorite pick.

As far as developing a PG I do agree it's the riskier move because in general they take time before they are good. Now I don't really take the suns history with that into consideration because to me what's been done with past staffs isn't relevant. They do have the luxury of having Rubio for that guy to play behind for 2 years and even a vet in Payne that you would have for that player to beat out and earn the job. It's about as good of a set up to develop a PG as you'll find but I still admit it's a risk. With that said the roster construction upside of actually hitting on a PG is huge.

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Thanks. So how do you feel about Markkanen, which has been a name many here have been discussing as a starting PF?

I agree about having a smallish lineup surrounding Ayton, but I also feel he needs a better rebounder and rim protector to offset some of his own issues. If Smith didn't have the range he does, I think I would have a different take on down the road pairing with Ayton.
I think Lauri in his current form is overrated but I also think Boylan was a horrible coach so maybe there's more there. I'm not sure I'd be willing to pay the trade capital it would take to land him. Plus he needs to be paid in a year so that should also factor in.

I'm not interested in offseting any rebounding or interior D with Ayton because to me he has to be good in those areas or he's not worth building around or paying a big second contract. I would like some more weakside shot blocking from the PF in a perfect world.

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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Prospect Watch 

Post#1559 » by Ghost of Kleine » Thu Oct 1, 2020 4:44 pm

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WeekapaugGroove wrote:I don't think Smith or any rookie would start. I do think it's appropriate to factor in how much a guy can share the floor with Ayton though. Assuming Ayton will be here for a while if you take who is only a backup C it diminishes the value of that pick and I'd rather take a swing at a PG prospect because if that pans out it would be huge as Rubio ages and contract runs out.

I think Smith can kind of play with Ayton but it's not an awesome fit. Overall I'd be fine with him as the pick but he wouldn't be my top choice.

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Can I ask why you don't think Smith would work with Ayton?

I don't see Smith as a backup C, not at 225 lb. I still see him as a PF. He sees himself as a PF, and except for a few months at C, he has played the PF spot.

For me, since we passed on Clarke last year, I want to grab a big who fills our needs, has a good motor, and is eager to work on his game. I think he is the type of character our new culture needs.

As far as PGs go, it just seems like the Suns do better with established points, not drafting and molding. Even though we did draft Nash, it wasn't until he left us did he establish himself as a quality point. KJ would probably be the closest, but again we traded for him, and I feel him working with Hornasec, helped him get in the right space. We will see, if a pg falls to us, and that pg has the character fitting of our culture, I am open to that pick. But for now, with the glaring needs we have with rebounding and rim protection, I would rather pick a high quality character player.
I simply don't think he has the quickness to guard modern 4s for extended periods of time. Now this is in part because I firmly believe they should play small around Ayton, it's possible the suns don't agree with me on that.

I wouldn't hate it if the picked Smith because they could use a backup big and he seems like a decent prospect it just wouldn't be my favorite pick.

As far as developing a PG I do agree it's the riskier move because in general they take time before they are good. Now I don't really take the suns history with that into consideration because to me what's been done with past staffs isn't relevant. They do have the luxury of having Rubio for that guy to play behind for 2 years and even a vet in Payne that you would have for that player to beat out and earn the job. It's about as good of a set up to develop a PG as you'll find but I still admit it's a risk. With that said the roster construction upside of actually hitting on a PG is huge.

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So IF at 10, All of Toppin/ Hayes/ Haliburton/ Vassell are already gone! Then do you have another prospect in mind that would be a solid consideration that's still on the board/available ( genuinely curious)?
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Prospect Watch 

Post#1560 » by WeekapaugGroove » Thu Oct 1, 2020 4:58 pm

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WeekapaugGroove wrote:
RunDogGun wrote:Can I ask why you don't think Smith would work with Ayton?

I don't see Smith as a backup C, not at 225 lb. I still see him as a PF. He sees himself as a PF, and except for a few months at C, he has played the PF spot.

For me, since we passed on Clarke last year, I want to grab a big who fills our needs, has a good motor, and is eager to work on his game. I think he is the type of character our new culture needs.

As far as PGs go, it just seems like the Suns do better with established points, not drafting and molding. Even though we did draft Nash, it wasn't until he left us did he establish himself as a quality point. KJ would probably be the closest, but again we traded for him, and I feel him working with Hornasec, helped him get in the right space. We will see, if a pg falls to us, and that pg has the character fitting of our culture, I am open to that pick. But for now, with the glaring needs we have with rebounding and rim protection, I would rather pick a high quality character player.
I simply don't think he has the quickness to guard modern 4s for extended periods of time. Now this is in part because I firmly believe they should play small around Ayton, it's possible the suns don't agree with me on that.

I wouldn't hate it if the picked Smith because they could use a backup big and he seems like a decent prospect it just wouldn't be my favorite pick.

As far as developing a PG I do agree it's the riskier move because in general they take time before they are good. Now I don't really take the suns history with that into consideration because to me what's been done with past staffs isn't relevant. They do have the luxury of having Rubio for that guy to play behind for 2 years and even a vet in Payne that you would have for that player to beat out and earn the job. It's about as good of a set up to develop a PG as you'll find but I still admit it's a risk. With that said the roster construction upside of actually hitting on a PG is huge.

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So IF at 10, All of Toppin/ Hayes/ Haliburton/ Vassell are already gone! Then do you have another prospect in mind that would be a solid consideration that's still on the board/available ( genuinely curious)?
Are we assuming Ball, Edwards, wiseman are off the board? So that would mean one of Okoro, Deni, or Okongwu are available. I like Deni quite a bit. I have mixed feelings on Okoro but would be fine with the pick. I really like Okongwu as a prospect, like I think he's on another tier than a guy like Smith but his fit with the suns is a bit sketchy.

Id take Patrick Williams ahead of Smith. I really like his upside as a big wing who can play the 4. I also like Lewis, Terry, and Maxey ahead of Smith. I know this is in the minority but I'd take most of those guys ahead of Toppin too.

Overall I actually don't mind this class and what's going to be there for the suns so its unlikely I'll actually hate any pick. I don't really see game changers but plenty of decent players.

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