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Re: Around the NBA - Other Playoff Series 

Post#1541 » by Saberestar » Thu Jun 17, 2021 4:02 pm

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darmani wrote:Damn Kangaroo Carter-Williams choked hard!

Ben Simmons is a great role player, but he does not deserve to be an All Star or getting a MAX contract.

He reminds me of Draymond Green...but a bit worse than Green was at his peak.

Simmons is way better in transition and more dynamic, but he is worse than D. Green was at shooting, interior defense and toughness.

At the end of the day he is a 6'10 freak athlete who would be more useful playing point C nowadays, but with Embiid on the same team he will not be able to do that on the Sixers.

I expect him to be traded this summer if they finally lose to the Hawks.


They are both better than you give them credit for but I think Green was better. Simmons is great at what he does but as long as he can't shoot he will be exploited and you will have to put specific people around them to be successful.

Philly was a lucky bounce Kawhi 3 away from beating the team hat became the champions that year.

That Sixers team had Jimmy Butler, he is a game changer and that is why they were that good that season.

The problem with Simmons is that he is getting the MAX, no one would say a word if he were on a $20M per year contract.

He is a good defender but on this era who cares... he is not stopping anyone or forcing to change any offensives sets or anything like that.

He is not better ( or at least much better) than Crowder or Bridges on defense, for example. He is a better athlete than them and that makes him look better occasionally IMO.
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Re: Around the NBA - Other Playoff Series 

Post#1542 » by WeekapaugGroove » Thu Jun 17, 2021 4:20 pm

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This is about the least surprising news of the week. Inevitable and the medias golden GM David Griffin hasn't helped with his idiotic roster construction and bad choice for a coach.

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Re: Around the NBA - Other Playoff Series 

Post#1543 » by spanishninja » Thu Jun 17, 2021 4:26 pm

Zion to Lakers confirmed I guess
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Re: Around the NBA - Other Playoff Series 

Post#1544 » by WeekapaugGroove » Thu Jun 17, 2021 4:39 pm

spanishninja wrote:Zion to Lakers confirmed I guess
Luckily the Lakers already blew their asset load on AD so virtually impossible to have that happen.


I don't actually think NO trades him. Far more likely they try to make some desperation trades this off-season and hire a coach he likes.

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Re: Around the NBA - Other Playoff Series 

Post#1545 » by bwgood77 » Thu Jun 17, 2021 5:32 pm

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spanishninja wrote:Zion to Lakers confirmed I guess
Luckily the Lakers already blew their asset load on AD so virtually impossible to have that happen.


I don't actually think NO trades him. Far more likely they try to make some desperation trades this off-season and hire a coach he likes.

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Yeah, Lakers can't trade for him. I wonder what team would have a legit package to trade for him? You'd also think that it should be a team he'd want to go to but teams would basically have control for a while anyway unless he really wanted to take the risk of playing on the QO which for him, is an enormous risk.

The Knicks for example..I think he'd love that but part of it might be because he wants to play with Barrett, so would they have enough other assets for him?

It's hard to think of teams that have enough assets for such a trade. OKC has half the picks and prospects.

The Hawks have a lot of depth and players, but I don't know if his family would want that either, though he is from South Carolina which is close.

Like Okongwu, Collins, Hunter and a couple firsts seems like quite a bit.
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Re: Around the NBA - Other Playoff Series 

Post#1546 » by WeekapaugGroove » Thu Jun 17, 2021 6:08 pm

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spanishninja wrote:Zion to Lakers confirmed I guess
Luckily the Lakers already blew their asset load on AD so virtually impossible to have that happen.


I don't actually think NO trades him. Far more likely they try to make some desperation trades this off-season and hire a coach he likes.

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Yeah, Lakers can't trade for him. I wonder what team would have a legit package to trade for him? You'd also think that it should be a team he'd want to go to but teams would basically have control for a while anyway unless he really wanted to take the risk of playing on the QO which for him, is an enormous risk.

The Knicks for example..I think he'd love that but part of it might be because he wants to play with Barrett, so would they have enough other assets for him?

It's hard to think of teams that have enough assets for such a trade. OKC has half the picks and prospects.

The Hawks have a lot of depth and players, but I don't know if his family would want that either, though he is from South Carolina which is close.

Like Okongwu, Collins, Hunter and a couple firsts seems like quite a bit.
Yeah it's hard to think of deals that would work for all sides. Your ATL idea is probably the best I've seen and I'm not sure if that would be enough but it's certainly a starting point. I have no idea of Zions personal feeling about Atlanta but with them getting good I could actually see them be a pretty appealing market for players the next few years.

OKC has all those picks but I can't see Zion being happy there long term.

Side note if OKC doesn't win the lottery next week I could see them offer an insane amount of picks to move up to 1 this draft. Cade Cunningham is from Arlington TX and went to OSU. That's a rough market to keep stars and he might just be one they could keep long term so I could see them do everything in their power to go up and get him. And frankly they need to start trading away some of their picks, they've reached the point where they litterally won't have the roster space in the coming years.

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Re: Around the NBA - Other Playoff Series 

Post#1547 » by Bogyo » Thu Jun 17, 2021 7:56 pm

If I were the Pels I'd trade Zion before his ankles/knees/back blow out becouse of his weight. Right now they could get a really good package for him. Some of the big market teams have good players, some have good draft picks - cash in before he turns into Larry Johnson.
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Re: Around the NBA - Other Playoff Series 

Post#1548 » by matt131 » Thu Jun 17, 2021 8:09 pm

What's wrong in Dallas?

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Wonder where he goes from here. Portland? Boston? I'm surprised the prospect of coaching Luka isn't enough to keep him there (slight sarcasm). Seems like it's tough to coach one team for a long time. Pop seems to be the one exception.
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Re: Around the NBA - Other Playoff Series 

Post#1549 » by matt131 » Thu Jun 17, 2021 8:12 pm

Hahahaha he broke up with the mavericks using the notes app

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Re: Around the NBA - Other Playoff Series 

Post#1550 » by WeekapaugGroove » Thu Jun 17, 2021 8:49 pm

Bogyo wrote:If I were the Pels I'd trade Zion before his ankles/knees/back blow out becouse of his weight. Right now they could get a really good package for him. Some of the big market teams have good players, some have good draft picks - cash in before he turns into Larry Johnson.
Hey now there will be no grandmama slander on my watch :)

I loved those UNLV teams as a kid and bought myself a Johnson Hornets jersey after he got drafted.

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Re: Around the NBA - Other Playoff Series 

Post#1551 » by sunsbg » Thu Jun 17, 2021 8:54 pm

matt131 wrote:What's wrong in Dallas?

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Wonder where he goes from here. Portland? Boston? I'm surprised the prospect of coaching Luka isn't enough to keep him there (slight sarcasm). Seems like it's tough to coach one team for a long time. Pop seems to be the one exception.


Nothing new in Dallas since Luka got there. Clearing the house again. The irony is Luka was supposed to be this great player who makes everyone around him better, while DA and Trae are not winning type players. At least that's what his stans told me in our rookie season debates. Well, DA and Trae have the chance to go at each other in the finals while Luka watches from home. Will be interesting to see what team they build around him when his 40m/year contract kicks in.
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Re: Around the NBA - Other Playoff Series 

Post#1552 » by WeekapaugGroove » Thu Jun 17, 2021 8:59 pm

Not going to lie it feels weird to see all this dysfunction around the NBA and for the suns not to be in the middle of it :)

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Re: Around the NBA - Other Playoff Series 

Post#1553 » by GoodBehavior » Thu Jun 17, 2021 9:00 pm

sunsbg wrote:
matt131 wrote:What's wrong in Dallas?

Read on Twitter
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Wonder where he goes from here. Portland? Boston? I'm surprised the prospect of coaching Luka isn't enough to keep him there (slight sarcasm). Seems like it's tough to coach one team for a long time. Pop seems to be the one exception.


Nothing new in Dallas since Luka got there. Clearing the house again. The irony is Luka was supposed to be this great player who makes everyone around him better, while DA and Trae are not winning type players. At least that's what his stans told me in our rookie season debates. Well, DA and Trae have the chance to go at each other in the finals while Luka watches from home. Will be interesting to see what team they build around him when his 40m/year contract kicks in.


Gambo mentioned predraft that players didn't like Luka. People vilify Gambo for that. It looks like Gambo was right all along. Luka is a straight up diva. Can't get along with their second best player. Can't get along with one of the best coach in the game. Can't get along with the front office. Allegedly Divac didn't draft him on the Kings because he was too much like his dad: a hot head.

Say what you will about DA, but DA is a team player first. DA loves Monty
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Re: Around the NBA - Other Playoff Series 

Post#1554 » by WeekapaugGroove » Thu Jun 17, 2021 9:08 pm

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sunsbg wrote:
matt131 wrote:What's wrong in Dallas?

Read on Twitter
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Wonder where he goes from here. Portland? Boston? I'm surprised the prospect of coaching Luka isn't enough to keep him there (slight sarcasm). Seems like it's tough to coach one team for a long time. Pop seems to be the one exception.


Nothing new in Dallas since Luka got there. Clearing the house again. The irony is Luka was supposed to be this great player who makes everyone around him better, while DA and Trae are not winning type players. At least that's what his stans told me in our rookie season debates. Well, DA and Trae have the chance to go at each other in the finals while Luka watches from home. Will be interesting to see what team they build around him when his 40m/year contract kicks in.


Gambo mentioned predraft that players didn't like Luka. People vilify Gambo for that. It looks like Gambo was right all along. Luka is a straight up diva. Can't get along with their second best player. Can't get along with one of the best coach in the game. Can't get along with the front office. Allegedly Divac didn't draft him on the Kings because he was too much like his dad: a hot head.

Say what you will about DA, but DA is a team player first. DA loves Monty
I don't think this was a Luka thing, he seemed to like Nelson.

I think this is a Cuban thing and he's got a little mess on his hands behind the scenes.

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Re: Around the NBA - Other Playoff Series 

Post#1555 » by BobbieL » Thu Jun 17, 2021 9:38 pm

WeekapaugGroove wrote:
GoodBehavior wrote:
sunsbg wrote:
Nothing new in Dallas since Luka got there. Clearing the house again. The irony is Luka was supposed to be this great player who makes everyone around him better, while DA and Trae are not winning type players. At least that's what his stans told me in our rookie season debates. Well, DA and Trae have the chance to go at each other in the finals while Luka watches from home. Will be interesting to see what team they build around him when his 40m/year contract kicks in.


Gambo mentioned predraft that players didn't like Luka. People vilify Gambo for that. It looks like Gambo was right all along. Luka is a straight up diva. Can't get along with their second best player. Can't get along with one of the best coach in the game. Can't get along with the front office. Allegedly Divac didn't draft him on the Kings because he was too much like his dad: a hot head.

Say what you will about DA, but DA is a team player first. DA loves Monty
I don't think this was a Luka thing, he seemed to like Nelson.

I think this is a Cuban thing and he's got a little mess on his hands behind the scenes.

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Cuban hired some guy named Voulgaras (sp) - who used to be a professional gambler to help the analytics side. If a story in The Athletic is true - he pushed for them to sign Wright to play next to Luka. It never happened. Meaning not sure the head coach, played them together like analytics guy wanted

As for Zion - yes, the Van Gundy hire was wierd. Roster construction too. The Steven Adams really never made sense to me. Not sure who the next HC will be - read they might interview Teresa Witherspoon

Carlisle - Boston maybe

And agree with Week - the Suns are not a drama franchise this offseason. With Jones and Monty they actually might have some stability. And no matter what happens the rest of the way - they will be a destination for teams this summer. The Hawks also might have moved up on the radar of free agents lists. This could be an interesting offseason. As some older teams might still have the names but really - do they have a chance to get better (Warriors, Bucks, Lakers Sixers).

Where as there could be younger teams on the rise like the Hawks and Suns. Memphis is also a team on the rise but can they get free agents. Helluva front office though
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Re: Around the NBA - Other Playoff Series 

Post#1556 » by spanishninja » Thu Jun 17, 2021 9:40 pm

BobbieL wrote:
WeekapaugGroove wrote:
GoodBehavior wrote:
Gambo mentioned predraft that players didn't like Luka. People vilify Gambo for that. It looks like Gambo was right all along. Luka is a straight up diva. Can't get along with their second best player. Can't get along with one of the best coach in the game. Can't get along with the front office. Allegedly Divac didn't draft him on the Kings because he was too much like his dad: a hot head.

Say what you will about DA, but DA is a team player first. DA loves Monty
I don't think this was a Luka thing, he seemed to like Nelson.

I think this is a Cuban thing and he's got a little mess on his hands behind the scenes.

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Cuban hired some guy named Voulgaras (sp) - who used to be a professional gambler to help the analytics side. If a story in The Athletic is true - he pushed for them to sign Wright to play next to Luka. It never happened.

As for Zion - yes, the Van Gundy hire was wierd. Roster construction too. The Steven Adams really never made sense to me. Not sure who the next HC will be - read they might interview Teresa Witherspoon

Carlisle - Boston maybe

And agree with Week - the Suns are not a drama franchise this offseason. With Jones and Monty they actually might have some stability. And no matter what happens the rest of the way - they will be a destination for teams this summer. The Hawks also might have moved up on the radar of free agents lists. This could be an interesting offseason. As some older teams might still have the names but really - do they have a chance to get better (Warriors, Bucks, Lakers Sixers).

Where as there could be younger teams on the rise like the Hawks and Suns.


well, by now we have put to bed about this whole "inexperience" bull. Our team is full of winners now who don't fold under pressure. As long as we keep CP3 we're not getting slept on next season. I actually wonder if they might overrate us.
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Re: Around the NBA - Other Playoff Series 

Post#1557 » by WeekapaugGroove » Thu Jun 17, 2021 9:59 pm

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Re: Around the NBA - Other Playoff Series 

Post#1558 » by GoodBehavior » Thu Jun 17, 2021 11:00 pm

WeekapaugGroove wrote:
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sunsbg wrote:
Nothing new in Dallas since Luka got there. Clearing the house again. The irony is Luka was supposed to be this great player who makes everyone around him better, while DA and Trae are not winning type players. At least that's what his stans told me in our rookie season debates. Well, DA and Trae have the chance to go at each other in the finals while Luka watches from home. Will be interesting to see what team they build around him when his 40m/year contract kicks in.


Gambo mentioned predraft that players didn't like Luka. People vilify Gambo for that. It looks like Gambo was right all along. Luka is a straight up diva. Can't get along with their second best player. Can't get along with one of the best coach in the game. Can't get along with the front office. Allegedly Divac didn't draft him on the Kings because he was too much like his dad: a hot head.

Say what you will about DA, but DA is a team player first. DA loves Monty
I don't think this was a Luka thing, he seemed to like Nelson.

I think this is a Cuban thing and he's got a little mess on his hands behind the scenes.

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Mark Cuban last week endorsed Carlisle as the head coach, so it's highly doubtful that Cuban pulled the trigger (though anything possible). It's more likely that Rick decided to leave a very secure job because he doesn't want to be there. It is well known that Luka is not a fan of RIck's coaching.
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Re: Around the NBA - Other Playoff Series 

Post#1559 » by matt131 » Thu Jun 17, 2021 11:10 pm

GoodBehavior wrote:
WeekapaugGroove wrote:
GoodBehavior wrote:
Gambo mentioned predraft that players didn't like Luka. People vilify Gambo for that. It looks like Gambo was right all along. Luka is a straight up diva. Can't get along with their second best player. Can't get along with one of the best coach in the game. Can't get along with the front office. Allegedly Divac didn't draft him on the Kings because he was too much like his dad: a hot head.

Say what you will about DA, but DA is a team player first. DA loves Monty
I don't think this was a Luka thing, he seemed to like Nelson.

I think this is a Cuban thing and he's got a little mess on his hands behind the scenes.

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Mark Cuban last week endorsed Carlisle as the head coach, so it's highly doubtful that Cuban pulled the trigger (though anything possible). It's more likely that Rick decided to leave a very secure job because he doesn't want to be there. It is well known that Luka is not a fan of RIck's coaching.
Apparently there was tension between Carlisle and Luka

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Re: Around the NBA - Other Playoff Series 

Post#1560 » by BobbieL » Thu Jun 17, 2021 11:26 pm

matt131 wrote:
GoodBehavior wrote:
WeekapaugGroove wrote:I don't think this was a Luka thing, he seemed to like Nelson.

I think this is a Cuban thing and he's got a little mess on his hands behind the scenes.

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Mark Cuban last week endorsed Carlisle as the head coach, so it's highly doubtful that Cuban pulled the trigger (though anything possible). It's more likely that Rick decided to leave a very secure job because he doesn't want to be there. It is well known that Luka is not a fan of RIck's coaching.
Apparently there was tension between Carlisle and Luka

Read on Twitter
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Luka is about to sign a 5/200m super max (does he get more money because he was voted All NBA and some guys like Taytum didn't get more money as they weren't all NBA - dumb rule)

But anyway, Luka is going to be there. They are going to hire a coach he likes
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