2023-24 Season Discussion and Speculation 5 - the calm before the storm

[Slim Charless]

Yeah, but I guess I was more responding to the post you quoted from I'mNotMcD where he says trade Book to Brooklyn. I went back a few pages and didn't see his original post.

To both of you. Along with whoever started this silliness.


Booker to Brooklyn? Maybe move him for Giddey and a few picks? I don't care what we get back for him?

Jesus. There's some bad takes in here. Good lord. It's Easter, not St Patrick's Day. You guys need to stop drinking and then posting.

Booker, if we decided to ever move him would get a MASSIVE return.


M.A.S.S.I.V.E.


You guys are insane talking all this foolishness with what we'd get for him. It won't matter, cause we're not trading him, nor should we.

Move KD along with Nurk and we'll get more than enough to rebound. With Devin still on the team.

Maddeness up in here today.

I said Giddey and a bunch of picks. I'm not talking about a couple. But I don't think we will trade him unless he wants it. I'm not entirely sure OKC would want to do it either given they are the #1 seed and have SGA already along with Jalen Williams and Giddey who can all play guard, handle, etc, and are much younger and cheaper. Not sure where else he would go though.

You also said Booker and Nurk (playing the best ball of his career) to DET for Duren, Thompson and a cpl of picks which is just as bad if not worse. Because God forbid we ask for Cade for our franchise player who's made multiple all NBA teams and placed on recent MVP ballots. Cade hasn't even played a full season and giddey can't shoot and is losing playing time by the year. Look it up btw, Giddey is playing LESS time than he did last year. OKC is ripe for a trade.

I respect your opinion on most things but you are completely and totally wrong here. This is low balling to extreme level with your evaluation of both Booker and Durant. You're not alone though, this thread is filled with guys saying stuff equally as low end.

[bwgood77]

To both of you. Along with whoever started this silliness.


Booker to Brooklyn? Maybe move him for Giddey and a few picks? I don't care what we get back for him?

Jesus. There's some bad takes in here. Good lord. It's Easter, not St Patrick's Day. You guys need to stop drinking and then posting.

Booker, if we decided to ever move him would get a MASSIVE return.


M.A.S.S.I.V.E.


You guys are insane talking all this foolishness with what we'd get for him. It won't matter, cause we're not trading him, nor should we.

Move KD along with Nurk and we'll get more than enough to rebound. With Devin still on the team.

Maddeness up in here today.

I said Giddey and a bunch of picks. I'm not talking about a couple. But I don't think we will trade him unless he wants it. I'm not entirely sure OKC would want to do it either given they are the #1 seed and have SGA already along with Jalen Williams and Giddey who can all play guard, handle, etc, and are much younger and cheaper. Not sure where else he would go though.

You also said Booker and Nurk (playing the best ball of his career) to DET for Duren, Thompson and a cpl of picks which is just as bad if not worse. Because God forbid we ask for Cade for our franchise player who's made multiple all NBA teams and placed on recent MVP ballots. Cade hasn't even played a full season and giddey can't shoot and is losing playing time by the year. Look it up btw, Giddey is playing LESS time than he did last year. OKC is ripe for a trade.

I respect your opinion on most things but you are completely and totally wrong here. This is low balling to extreme level with your evaluation of both Booker and Durant. You're not alone though, this thread is filled with guys saying stuff equally as low end.

I said Cade first. I'd ask for Cade but he hasn't been great. Thompson might be better. Duren might be better. But I'd ask for Cade and one of the other two. And as many picks as they can trade.

You typically only get one premier young talent for a superstar, like OKC got SGA for George and the Pels got Ingram for AD...then maybe some vets and a bunch of picks and swaps. Pels did get Ball as well but he wasn't very good and had only averaged about 47 games in his first 2 years..but couldn't shoot and was averaging less than 10ppg and like 5 assists.

If we got Cade, that would be a better player (at the time) than either of those guys. Cade is averaging over 22ppg, 7.5 apg and 4.3 rpg. He's better than Book was in his 3rd year and not too far behind where Ant was in his 3rd year. His shooting from 2 and 3 has also gotten better every year

So players like him, who are #1 picks and playing that well, are typically untradable. Typically when a team trades for a star it's to pair with another really good player. I have no idea what package we could expect. A ton of picks. I'm not sure what teams would want him and which young players they would give up. I"m sure we could get all their available picks and swaps. Who are you thinking?

[Slim Charless]

I said Giddey and a bunch of picks. I'm not talking about a couple. But I don't think we will trade him unless he wants it. I'm not entirely sure OKC would want to do it either given they are the #1 seed and have SGA already along with Jalen Williams and Giddey who can all play guard, handle, etc, and are much younger and cheaper. Not sure where else he would go though.

You also said Booker and Nurk (playing the best ball of his career) to DET for Duren, Thompson and a cpl of picks which is just as bad if not worse. Because God forbid we ask for Cade for our franchise player who's made multiple all NBA teams and placed on recent MVP ballots. Cade hasn't even played a full season and giddey can't shoot and is losing playing time by the year. Look it up btw, Giddey is playing LESS time than he did last year. OKC is ripe for a trade.

I respect your opinion on most things but you are completely and totally wrong here. This is low balling to extreme level with your evaluation of both Booker and Durant. You're not alone though, this thread is filled with guys saying stuff equally as low end.

I said Cade first. I'd ask for Cade but he hasn't been great. Thompson might be better. Duren might be better. But I'd ask for Cade and one of the other two. And as many picks as they can trade.

You typically only get one premier young talent for a superstar, like OKC got SGA for George and the Pels got Ingram for AD...then maybe some vets and a bunch of picks and swaps. Pels did get Ball as well but he wasn't very good and had only averaged about 47 games in his first 2 years..but couldn't shoot and was averaging less than 10ppg and like 5 assists.

If we got Cade, that would be a better player (at the time) than either of those guys. Cade is averaging over 22ppg, 7.5 apg and 4.3 rpg. He's better than Book was in his 3rd year and not too far behind where Ant was in his 3rd year. His shooting from 2 and 3 has also gotten better every year

So players like him, who are #1 picks and playing that well, are typically untradable. Typically when a team trades for a star it's to pair with another really good player. I have no idea what package we could expect. A ton of picks. I'm not sure what teams would want him and which young players they would give up. I"m sure we could get all their available picks and swaps. Who are you thinking?

I don't think we should or will trade Booker. You know my opinion on what we should do at this point with our offseason. Provided we miss the playoffs. That gives us enough room to make moves to continue with Booker and Beal.

If you're forcing my hand at a Booker trade, then yes, the conversation STARTS with Cade. It then continues with what else will Detroit offer us on top of him. I guess the city actually Booker might not have a problem with as he was just wearing a Tigers hat in that clip. I'm less than positive he wants to play for Moronty again. I'm only moving him east too. So maybe Orlando, but again, I'd need Paolo with other stuff.

I don't think you remember what we have here. You dont send Booker away for a Giddey and some of those minor OKC picks. You dont send him away for Evan Fournier and picks lol.

You get a legit young player and some good draft future coming your way.

[bwgood77]

You also said Booker and Nurk (playing the best ball of his career) to DET for Duren, Thompson and a cpl of picks which is just as bad if not worse. Because God forbid we ask for Cade for our franchise player who's made multiple all NBA teams and placed on recent MVP ballots. Cade hasn't even played a full season and giddey can't shoot and is losing playing time by the year. Look it up btw, Giddey is playing LESS time than he did last year. OKC is ripe for a trade.

I respect your opinion on most things but you are completely and totally wrong here. This is low balling to extreme level with your evaluation of both Booker and Durant. You're not alone though, this thread is filled with guys saying stuff equally as low end.

I said Cade first. I'd ask for Cade but he hasn't been great. Thompson might be better. Duren might be better. But I'd ask for Cade and one of the other two. And as many picks as they can trade.

You typically only get one premier young talent for a superstar, like OKC got SGA for George and the Pels got Ingram for AD...then maybe some vets and a bunch of picks and swaps. Pels did get Ball as well but he wasn't very good and had only averaged about 47 games in his first 2 years..but couldn't shoot and was averaging less than 10ppg and like 5 assists.

If we got Cade, that would be a better player (at the time) than either of those guys. Cade is averaging over 22ppg, 7.5 apg and 4.3 rpg. He's better than Book was in his 3rd year and not too far behind where Ant was in his 3rd year. His shooting from 2 and 3 has also gotten better every year

So players like him, who are #1 picks and playing that well, are typically untradable. Typically when a team trades for a star it's to pair with another really good player. I have no idea what package we could expect. A ton of picks. I'm not sure what teams would want him and which young players they would give up. I"m sure we could get all their available picks and swaps. Who are you thinking?

I don't think we should or will trade Booker. You know my opinion on what we should do at this point with our offseason. Provided we miss the playoffs. That gives us enough room to make moves to continue with Booker and Beal.

If you're forcing my hand at a Booker trade, then yes, the conversation STARTS with Cade. It then continues with what else will Detroit offer us on top of him. I guess the city actually Booker might not have a problem with as he was just wearing a Tigers hat in that clip. I'm less than positive he wants to play for Moronty again. I'm only moving him east too. So maybe Orlando, but again, I'd need Paolo with other stuff.

I don't think you remember what we have here. You dont send Booker away for a Giddey and some of those minor OKC picks. You dont send him away for Evan Fournier and picks lol.

You get a legit young player and some good draft future coming your way.

Well yeah, if I trade Book I get at least one really good young player and the filler vets plus at least 4 picks and 3 swaps or as much as they can give. And yes, I'd ask for Cade or Paolo. I won't walk in asking for Jaden Ivey or Jalen Suggs.

I don't think there is any way we trade him. Maybe KD, but probably only if he wants it. And we know his family wants NY.

[spanishninja]

I said Cade first. I'd ask for Cade but he hasn't been great. Thompson might be better. Duren might be better. But I'd ask for Cade and one of the other two. And as many picks as they can trade.

You typically only get one premier young talent for a superstar, like OKC got SGA for George and the Pels got Ingram for AD...then maybe some vets and a bunch of picks and swaps. Pels did get Ball as well but he wasn't very good and had only averaged about 47 games in his first 2 years..but couldn't shoot and was averaging less than 10ppg and like 5 assists.

If we got Cade, that would be a better player (at the time) than either of those guys. Cade is averaging over 22ppg, 7.5 apg and 4.3 rpg. He's better than Book was in his 3rd year and not too far behind where Ant was in his 3rd year. His shooting from 2 and 3 has also gotten better every year

So players like him, who are #1 picks and playing that well, are typically untradable. Typically when a team trades for a star it's to pair with another really good player. I have no idea what package we could expect. A ton of picks. I'm not sure what teams would want him and which young players they would give up. I"m sure we could get all their available picks and swaps. Who are you thinking?

I don't think we should or will trade Booker. You know my opinion on what we should do at this point with our offseason. Provided we miss the playoffs. That gives us enough room to make moves to continue with Booker and Beal.

If you're forcing my hand at a Booker trade, then yes, the conversation STARTS with Cade. It then continues with what else will Detroit offer us on top of him. I guess the city actually Booker might not have a problem with as he was just wearing a Tigers hat in that clip. I'm less than positive he wants to play for Moronty again. I'm only moving him east too. So maybe Orlando, but again, I'd need Paolo with other stuff.

I don't think you remember what we have here. You dont send Booker away for a Giddey and some of those minor OKC picks. You dont send him away for Evan Fournier and picks lol.

You get a legit young player and some good draft future coming your way.

Well yeah, if I trade Book I get at least one really good young player and the filler vets plus at least 4 picks and 3 swaps or as much as they can give. And yes, I'd ask for Cade or Paolo. I won't walk in asking for Jaden Ivey or Jalen Suggs.

I don't think there is any way we trade him. Maybe KD, but probably only if he wants it. And we know his family wants NY.

for Cade, that won't come anytime soon because he is only on his rookie deal and there is no way we can get the salaries to match.

[Funky Tut]

If we could go above .500 basketball in these last 10 games against good opponents I would be pretty confident with this team potentially figuring something out or playing "harder" when it counts, or it could just be some optimism I have.

[Ghost of Kleine]

I've mentioned this before a few times, but the reason a Phoenix/Cleveland trade will never happen under Ishbia while he's the owner of the suns. Below is a really good article on both owners' contentious feuding:

https://www.espn.co.uk/nba/story/_/id/39854533/nba-billionaire-mortgage-battle-owner-rivalry-cavs-dan-gilbert-suns-mat-ishbia

Billionaire mortgage battle: Inside the owner rivalry of Cavs' Dan Gilbert and Suns' Mat Ishbia

Baxter Holmes, ESPN Senior Writer
Apr 2, 2024, 02:41 PM


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Read the full article in the link if you like? But basically they really don't like each other, and haven't for a long time, and are constantly trying to competitively one up each other.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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[Saberestar]

Kawhi Leonard will miss Tuesday's game at the Sacramento Kings with left knee soreness.

Leonard began feeling sore after the Los Angeles Clippers most recent game. Leonard returned to Los Angeles for treatment.

The Clippers are hopeful Leonard can play in Thursday's game against the Denver Nuggets.

Norm Powell will start for the Clippers in place of Leonard.

We will see if Leonard can play in that back-to-back against us. I think they are the easiest opponent in the playoffs other than the Kings because of their recent injuries.

Every year the same story with this Paul George/Khawi team... and they have never been in the Finals or anything like that. Pure smoke, no substance.

[bwgood77]

Kawhi Leonard will miss Tuesday's game at the Sacramento Kings with left knee soreness.

Leonard began feeling sore after the Los Angeles Clippers most recent game. Leonard returned to Los Angeles for treatment.

The Clippers are hopeful Leonard can play in Thursday's game against the Denver Nuggets.

Norm Powell will start for the Clippers in place of Leonard.

We will see if Leonard can play in that back-to-back against us. I think they are the easiest opponent in the playoffs other than the Kings because of their recent injuries.

Every year the same story with this Paul George/Khawi team... and they have never been in the Finals or anything like that. Pure smoke, no substance.

Well this is the healthiest Kawhi has been in a season. They nearly beat us without him in our finals year...without that Valleyoop it would have been 3-3 after 6. They also never have Harden (who I thought had declined a lot but he has adjusted his role) and Westbrook is a solid bench guy. Kawhi is also one of those players who gets better in the playoffs and more clutch, and his intensity and defense rises up a notch.

But yeah, if Kawhi is out or something, I'd prefer that.

[Saberestar]

Kawhi Leonard will miss Tuesday's game at the Sacramento Kings with left knee soreness.

Leonard began feeling sore after the Los Angeles Clippers most recent game. Leonard returned to Los Angeles for treatment.

The Clippers are hopeful Leonard can play in Thursday's game against the Denver Nuggets.

Norm Powell will start for the Clippers in place of Leonard.

We will see if Leonard can play in that back-to-back against us. I think they are the easiest opponent in the playoffs other than the Kings because of their recent injuries.

Every year the same story with this Paul George/Khawi team... and they have never been in the Finals or anything like that. Pure smoke, no substance.

Well this is the healthiest Kawhi has been in a season. They nearly beat us without him in our finals year...without that Valleyoop it would have been 3-3 after 6. They also never have Harden (who I thought had declined a lot but he has adjusted his role) and Westbrook is a solid bench guy. Kawhi is also one of those players who gets better in the playoffs and more clutch, and his intensity and defense rises up a notch.

But yeah, if Kawhi is out or something, I'd prefer that.

They have never accomplished anything and they're together for a bunch of years already.

Last year out in the first round. Two years ago no playoffs. Yeah, I know that Khawi wasn't healthy but that's who he is since his Raptors days, so no surprises here. He is older now so not as decisive as he was in the past.

We will see but they don't scare me at all. I can be wrong but I think we would play better against a known superveteran team like the Clippers rather than against a young and upcoming team.

[spanishninja]

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which team did Wilt do it against, and why did he hate them so much?

[Fifii]

I cant believe what I reading. Trade Beal for Harden ? EG over Malik Monk ? Trade our best players ?

Guys you wrote this seriously ?

[lilfishi22]

Harden's passing would be a huge boon for this team. He's a perennial top 3-5 passer in the league.

[sunskerr]

I've mentioned this before a few times, but the reason a Phoenix/Cleveland trade will never happen under Ishbia while he's the owner of the suns. Below is a really good article on both owners' contentious feuding:

https://www.espn.co.uk/nba/story/_/id/39854533/nba-billionaire-mortgage-battle-owner-rivalry-cavs-dan-gilbert-suns-mat-ishbia

Billionaire mortgage battle: Inside the owner rivalry of Cavs' Dan Gilbert and Suns' Mat Ishbia

Baxter Holmes, ESPN Senior Writer
Apr 2, 2024, 02:41 PM


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Read the full article in the link if you like? But basically they really don't like each other, and haven't for a long time, and are constantly trying to competitively one up each other.

In many cases this might cost somebody their job for using a homophobic slur, but I doubt we will get a new owner considering the NBA is likely not, despite the progressive exterior, particularly progressive in-house/on the interior about gay men.

So yeah Im just gonna put a damper on it before we go ahead getting excited about replacing Ishbia.

[lilfishi22]

We will see if Leonard can play in that back-to-back against us. I think they are the easiest opponent in the playoffs other than the Kings because of their recent injuries.

Every year the same story with this Paul George/Khawi team... and they have never been in the Finals or anything like that. Pure smoke, no substance.

Well this is the healthiest Kawhi has been in a season. They nearly beat us without him in our finals year...without that Valleyoop it would have been 3-3 after 6. They also never have Harden (who I thought had declined a lot but he has adjusted his role) and Westbrook is a solid bench guy. Kawhi is also one of those players who gets better in the playoffs and more clutch, and his intensity and defense rises up a notch.

But yeah, if Kawhi is out or something, I'd prefer that.

They have never accomplished anything and they're together for a bunch of years already.

Last year out in the first round. Two years ago no playoffs. Yeah, I know that Khawi wasn't healthy but that's who he is since his Raptors days, so no surprises here. He is older now so not as decisive as he was in the past.

We will see but they don't scare me at all. I can be wrong but I think we would play better against a known superveteran team like the Clippers rather than against a young and upcoming team.

Clippers this year has been surprisingly healthy. Who would've expected Harden, Kawhi and PG all play 70-something games this season. That said, I don't want to see the Clips in the playoffs if I could help it. I think they've got just as many weapons as we do, have a better coach, their main guys have been together for longer and I don't particularly want to play Playoff Kawhi. The guy is a monster

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We should trade Booker immediately

[bwgood77]

We will see if Leonard can play in that back-to-back against us. I think they are the easiest opponent in the playoffs other than the Kings because of their recent injuries.

Every year the same story with this Paul George/Khawi team... and they have never been in the Finals or anything like that. Pure smoke, no substance.

Well this is the healthiest Kawhi has been in a season. They nearly beat us without him in our finals year...without that Valleyoop it would have been 3-3 after 6. They also never have Harden (who I thought had declined a lot but he has adjusted his role) and Westbrook is a solid bench guy. Kawhi is also one of those players who gets better in the playoffs and more clutch, and his intensity and defense rises up a notch.

But yeah, if Kawhi is out or something, I'd prefer that.

They have never accomplished anything and they're together for a bunch of years already.

Last year out in the first round. Two years ago no playoffs. Yeah, I know that Khawi wasn't healthy but that's who he is since his Raptors days, so no surprises here. He is older now so not as decisive as he was in the past.

We will see but they don't scare me at all. I can be wrong but I think we would play better against a known superveteran team like the Clippers rather than against a young and upcoming team.

Well we haven't accomplished anything either and it looks like most of our success can be mostly attributed to Chris Paul running the show. They don't totally scare me, but I'd rather play the Wolves or the Nuggets if everyone is healthy.

[bwgood77]

I've mentioned this before a few times, but the reason a Phoenix/Cleveland trade will never happen under Ishbia while he's the owner of the suns. Below is a really good article on both owners' contentious feuding:

https://www.espn.co.uk/nba/story/_/id/39854533/nba-billionaire-mortgage-battle-owner-rivalry-cavs-dan-gilbert-suns-mat-ishbia

Billionaire mortgage battle: Inside the owner rivalry of Cavs' Dan Gilbert and Suns' Mat Ishbia

Baxter Holmes, ESPN Senior Writer
Apr 2, 2024, 02:41 PM


........................................................

Read the full article in the link if you like? But basically they really don't like each other, and haven't for a long time, and are constantly trying to competitively one up each other.

In many cases this might cost somebody their job for using a homophobic slur, but I doubt we will get a new owner considering the NBA is likely not, despite the progressive exterior, particularly progressive in-house/on the interior about gay men.

So yeah Im just gonna put a damper on it before we go ahead getting excited about replacing Ishbia.

Man, he sounds like a dick. It doesn't sound like Gilbert has ever really wanted to get into it, but Ishbia went on the attack...

The public vitriol has been a one-sided affair, with Ishbia lobbing numerous attacks against Rocket, including in a 2020 Super Bowl commercial. Gilbert, on the other hand, has avoided the fray. Rocket executives have taken the lead on publicly countering Ishbia's remarks, questioning UWM's business tactics and calling Ishbia a "playground bully." The feud continues.

This isn't good either...

Two months after the "bully" remarks, Bloomberg Business published a report detailing allegations from current and former UWM employees about racial disparities, sexual harassment and bullying inside UWM. In a statement, UWM disputed the report, calling it false and misleading.

[TeamTragic]

https://www.si.com/nba/suns/phoenix-suns-owner-mat-ishbia-heavy-fire-voicemail

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