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Saberestar wrote:Via Chris Haynes:Sources: Weeks ago Suns coach Mike Budenholzer called a meeting with Devin Booker imploring he tone it down vocally, leaving the star shocked. Inside that meeting which provides context to Booker’s postgame remarks on communicating.
Ghost of Kleine wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:Ghost of Kleine wrote:
If those were just swaps with Washington it might not be so bad, at least in 2026, but I think Memphis also has swap rights in 26 and 30 and Brooklyn in 28. So we will get the worst of the 3. So Wizards may keep their own if we are decent but Memphis and probably Brooklyn will certainly swap.
BobbieL wrote:bwgood77 wrote:Ghost of Kleine wrote:
If those were just swaps with Washington it might not be so bad, at least in 2026, but I think Memphis also has swap rights in 26 and 30 and Brooklyn in 28. So we will get the worst of the 3. So Wizards may keep their own if we are decent but Memphis and probably Brooklyn will certainly swap.
Somehow, someway, have to get a couple of those picks back from Houston with young talent for Booker
For Durant -- the bar is lower.
Slim Charless wrote:BobbieL wrote:bwgood77 wrote:
If those were just swaps with Washington it might not be so bad, at least in 2026, but I think Memphis also has swap rights in 26 and 30 and Brooklyn in 28. So we will get the worst of the 3. So Wizards may keep their own if we are decent but Memphis and probably Brooklyn will certainly swap.
Somehow, someway, have to get a couple of those picks back from Houston with young talent for Booker
For Durant -- the bar is lower.
We'll get good stuff for KD. The pricetag has been set and the offer from Golden State is a benchmark. We need something similar.....and we will get it.
Gambo on what people inside the Suns organization think about Coach Bud:
“They say Mike Budenholzer is miserable to deal with.”
Saberestar wrote:Gambo on what people inside the Suns organization think about Coach Bud:
“They say Mike Budenholzer is miserable to deal with.”
Saberestar wrote:Gambo on what people inside the Suns organization think about Coach Bud:
“They say Mike Budenholzer is miserable to deal with.”
Puff wrote:Saberestar wrote:Gambo on what people inside the Suns organization think about Coach Bud:
“They say Mike Budenholzer is miserable to deal with.”
Well, well I guess we found the CHAOS problem. I have had problems with Bud for a while. Why in the world was he fired in Milwaukee? I expect that he was miserable to deal with.
Why in the world did it take so long to get Bol Bol some minutes? Why did we trade Nurkic and Okogie. Two of our best defensive players? CHAOS.
I would fire him before tonight's game. I would then see how they perform in the final month of the season with a different voice.
I think we should trade KD in the off season but I really do not want to take bad contracts and older players along with GOOD draft picks (late 1st rounders). I want GREAT picks. If the trades that we are offered are not good I would let him play out his contract and become a free agent next summer. I would then go after free agents of my choice at more than the minimum.
If the team continues to perform like it has all bets are off. If it shows a heartbeat, I would strongly consider keeping Booker and I voted to trade him.
I am happy to hear that Booker has tried to be vocal. Maybe he did learn something from CP3 and is being thrown under the bus by Bud.
A coach that is miserable to deal with should not be a coach.
Let's hire CP3 as our coach.
he's going to hire Zeke isn't he
Ghost of Kleine wrote:lilfishi22 wrote:Ghost of Kleine wrote:
Well. It's no surprise that currently they're tanking as many teams are for Cooper Flag! But looking at their team, they have around $62 million in expiring contracts to use in trade for vet players they could put around KD if he made it clear he'd be willing to go there. They also have a ton of picks to attach in trades, and a great young core loaded with young talent, and they're in a weaker eastern conference too, so it's not at all a legitimate impossibility for them to be able to pivot rather quickly if KD had interest in going there.
But again, what I am suggesting is that with most anyone, as you get older and start nearing the last few years of your career or even the age of 40 in general, it's not at all uncommon for priorities to change. And family and those close to you can become a much more prominent consideration to someone's legacy! I'm also suggesting that KD has already well cemented his historical legacy as very elite, HOF level, multi-time NBA champion, TOP 5 greatest ALL time offensive talent in NBA history, and historically top 10 ALL TIME already too. Now wee all know how cerebral and intellectual KD is, but hre's also fairly easygoing and laid back too.
So maybe just maybe he's reached a point we can't fully understand wherein he recognizes his elite accomplishments and doesn't feel it necessary to prove much more. And as a result, his perspective on his professional priorities towards his last remaining years may have shifted from what they were so early on in his career. Again, with family friends and home environment becoming more prominent than what they might have been before.
Yes there are several teams, far away from any sort of post season appearance, that is tanking for Flagg, Wizards is no exception. And what makes you think the Wizards, of all teams, would be able to put together a competitive all of a sudden? What about their team history suggests to you that they can build a competitive team from scratch in a matter of a season or two?
-Well, for starters, they have new ownership that came in, has drafted well, they've also shown the ability to fill out their roster functionally with huge cumulative expiring contracts to utilize in trades, they have a ton of picks thy can attach or us in more trades for key pieces/vets. They've also managed to offload Beal and his no trade clause on us while also drifting us out of a bunch of assets when they really had no leverage. So clearly they're pretty competent and capable. And obviously if you have the assets, flexibility, and salaries to work with that they already have, you can pivot pretty quickly. Lastly, the past does not dictate the future. Just look at teams like OKC, Houston, Cleveland as perfect examples for how quickly a franchise can turn things around.
If KD wants to the worst tam in the NBA, sure we can accommodate. But you and Melo are outta your mind if you guys think KD would genuinely entertain going to Washington. Not Dallas where he could play with Kyrie again, not San Antonio where he could potentially play under Pops, not Houston who could be one KD away from being a real menace in the playoffs, all of which are Texan teams where he went to college. There's probably two dozen teams with a stronger case for KD to play there than Washington
-Really, the current status of the team is irrelevant if KD chooses to go there or anywhere for that matter because the choice is his to make. So of course we'll accommodate him. And you claiming Carmelo Anthony or myself are out of our minds for suggesting that KD could possibly consider going to Washington just because it is oppositional to your personal perspective and without acknowledging the validity of the points I've shared that could factor into/ influence such a decision indicates nothing beyond your unwillingness to look beyond yourself and your own limited scope of the situation to consider a different perspective.
This is sad as you're intentionally neglecting to acknowledge any human behavioral components in the contextual value of this premise despite players clearly having individual interests, changing priorities, and contrasting values at different stages of their careers, etc. Beal is a good recent example of family being a factor in decisions of destinations, environments, etc., with obviously many more. So having the opinion that you do doesn't in any way legitimize your perspective more than mine. Nor does it in any way delegitimize either opinion. At best it remains an unsubstantiated theoretical perspective from oppositional scalable ranges
And you're right, maybe he doesn't feel he needs to prove to anyone that he's a winner....but he could still go to a team that could win. It makes so little logical sense, he would go to Washington, I read it as absolutely nonsense.
-Sure he could, while you're neglecting the factor of significant pressures being put on him that at this stage he may be becoming tired of. And maybe just maybe he'd prefer to be in a less stressful environment without everyone blaming him for any struggles a highly competitive team with lofty goals might carry situationally. Remember what KD says most often man? ....." I just wanna hoop"!! He isn't out there saying "I want to destroy the opposition" or I want to win more championships"! KD has repeatedly said....." I just wanna hoop"!! which tracks pretty well with his laid-back passive-aggressive nature. And Maybe you don't understand or can't understand this perspective, but for true champions that have basically proven everything and established their elite dominance in their craft, it means much less to go to an already strong situation and piggyback to more success than it dors for their legacy by going to a struggling situation and being "the one" that resurrected that franchise where others couldn't! Look to what KD said recently postgame for evidence of this mentality man!
Now you and some others might not fully understand the underlying premise of this statement, man, but others do. And just because it may not match your concept of logic, doesn't make it illogical by basis of your own inability to accept a broader range of perspectives that might be different than yours, but still offer contextual value even if you can't quantify it or subscribe to such possibilities. Ultimately, just positionally subjective views being shared.
bwgood77 wrote:Saberestar wrote:Via Chris Haynes:Sources: Weeks ago Suns coach Mike Budenholzer called a meeting with Devin Booker imploring he tone it down vocally, leaving the star shocked. Inside that meeting which provides context to Booker’s postgame remarks on communicating.
Yeah, I just saw this on youtube.
Slim Charless wrote:If Quinn comes here then a Durant trade to Miami for Jovic and/or Ware plus picks makes a lot of sense. I would still like him to go to Houston for our picks however.
