The One And Only Offseason Thread 3

[Sunsdeuce]

Is that a fake account too? These fakes are everywhere.


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Monroe - interesting

Would the Pistons accept a sign and trade - Plumlee (or Len), Morris twins - possibly going back. Granted, they have Drummond so why do they need Len; Josh is better at the 4, so why do they need the Morris.

You're nuts. Markieff is equal or better than Monroe at everything but rebounding.

And rebounding is the suns biggest weakness!!!


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[Jdiddy701]

Boring team with Monroe. I rather keep a young athletic and cheap Plumlee.

And Markieff sounds better to me too.

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[PhxSuns1]

Is that a fake account too? These fakes are everywhere.


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Monroe - interesting

Would the Pistons accept a sign and trade - Plumlee (or Len), Morris twins - possibly going back. Granted, they have Drummond so why do they need Len; Josh is better at the 4, so why do they need the Morris.

You're nuts. Markieff is equal or better than Monroe at everything but rebounding.

Are you serious? He is a FAR superior inside scorer, passer and as you mentioned, rebounder. Jesus. I like Kieff as a player a lot. Would love to see stay a Sun, but come on. Its like saying you wouldn't trade Kieff for Al Jefferson. Kieff is better at everything other than inside scoringpassing, and rebounding too. As if those things are not valuable to a team at all. "Oh, its just what every team needs! Not important at all!"

[JTrain]

Isn't the whole point of S&T that the team that wants the FA doesn't have the cap space, so the other team signs back the player and then the trade frees up cap space?

[JDLAW]

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He's is a clueless regurgitator of baseless rumors.

[JDLAW]

Isn't the whole point of S&T that the team that wants the FA doesn't have the cap space, so the other team signs back the player and then the trade frees up cap space?

It is provided the team that has the rights to the player want the crap that is generally offered in such transactions. The only leverage the team seeking a sign and trade can muster is to be able to offer a straight up signing.

[RunDogGun]

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1) With what cap space?
2) Hill can't be traded until December.

Nothing to it.

Didn't Traxxe say that Hill hadn't put ink to paper yet, so a sign and trade is still possible...

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3DpW5NkNLCg

[JTrain]

Also, people saying Monroe doesn't run isn't entirely true. According to draftexpress's free agency video of him he runs quite frequently on fast breaks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbjLUTdgYWo

I know it's a very small sample of highlights, but watching him on those fast breaks gave me a small boner.

I realize he can't play defense but Plumlee can't play offense or defense, so at least we upgrade on one front. Besides, he's young and doesn't look decrepit like some centers do, so I would imagine he can be coached to improve defensively.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

I realize he can't play defense but Plumlee can't play offense or defense.

[Sunsdeuce]

Monroe - interesting

Would the Pistons accept a sign and trade - Plumlee (or Len), Morris twins - possibly going back. Granted, they have Drummond so why do they need Len; Josh is better at the 4, so why do they need the Morris.

You're nuts. Markieff is equal or better than Monroe at everything but rebounding.

Are you serious? He is a FAR superior inside scorer, passer and as you mentioned, rebounder. Jesus. I like Kieff as a player a lot. Would love to see stay a Sun, but come on. Its like saying you wouldn't trade Kieff for Al Jefferson. Kieff is better at everything other than inside scoringpassing, and rebounding too. As if those things are not valuable to a team at all. "Oh, its just what every team needs! Not important at all!"

Thank you.


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[Sunsdeuce]

A thing to remember with Monroe too, is that he shared the court with Drummond. Monroe's numbers would jump up significantly without sharing duties. Goran's numbers went up when Bledsoe went down because he didn't have to share duties.


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[JTrain]

I realize he can't play defense but Plumlee can't play offense or defense.

Does he play good D? I'm all for learning.

[RunDogGun]

If the Suns did offer Monroe a contract I think it would be more likely we do a S&T where Plumlee is involved. I don't think Bledsoe cares so much about the money that he would be willing to go to Detroit and play. Has there ever been a trade where teams traded players who were both restricted free agents?

Wasn't the Jennings for Knight thing two RFA sign and trade deals?

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

I realize he can't play defense but Plumlee can't play offense or defense.

Does he play good D? I'm all for learning.

Judging by your flair I assumed you watched the games. He blocks shots, rebounds, stays in front of his man, is strong down low, has good lateral quickness and can defend out to the perimeter. Not ideal for every match-up, but no one is. But I don't think there's really a question as to whether he plays good defense.

[Qwigglez]

If the Suns did offer Monroe a contract I think it would be more likely we do a S&T where Plumlee is involved. I don't think Bledsoe cares so much about the money that he would be willing to go to Detroit and play. Has there ever been a trade where teams traded players who were both restricted free agents?

Wasn't the Jennings for Knight thing two RFA sign and trade deals?

Hmmm... it could have been. I'm not sure though.

[gaspar]

Monroe - interesting

Would the Pistons accept a sign and trade - Plumlee (or Len), Morris twins - possibly going back. Granted, they have Drummond so why do they need Len; Josh is better at the 4, so why do they need the Morris.

You're nuts. Markieff is equal or better than Monroe at everything but rebounding.

Are you serious? He is a FAR superior inside scorer, passer and as you mentioned, rebounder. Jesus. I like Kieff as a player a lot. Would love to see stay a Sun, but come on. Its like saying you wouldn't trade Kieff for Al Jefferson. Kieff is better at everything other than inside scoringpassing, and rebounding too. As if those things are not valuable to a team at all. "Oh, its just what every team needs! Not important at all!"

Points per 36:
Markieff 18.6
Monroe 16.7

Assists per 36:
Markieff 2.4
Monroe 2.3

PPP on post-ups:
Markieff 0.94 (360 plays)
Monroe 0.80 (442 plays)

PPP on pick-and-roll:
Markieff 1.19 (119 plays)
Monroe 0.91 (165 plays)

TS%:
Markieff .564
Monroe .531

FG% from 10-19 ft:
Markieff .463 (150/324)
Monroe .329 (47/143)

Are Monroe's hook-shots more valuable than Markieff's mid-range jumpers? I don't thinks so.

[JDLAW]

A thing to remember with Monroe too, is that he shared the court with Drummond. Monroe's numbers would jump up significantly without sharing duties. Goran's numbers went up when Bledsoe went down because he didn't have to share duties.


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Nonsense. His numbers have been refractory for the past 3 years at 15.5 and 9.5. The first year Drummond was on the UConn Huskies and the 2nd year was Drummond's rookie year. He is remarkably consistent and appears to have plateaued in his development. He is not a max player and no one was willing to pay him a max.

[bwgood77]

I like Monroe and would be very excited if we signed him. He may not fit the "run, run, run" system but he's a baller and with guys like him, you sign him and then alter your system to fit him and everyone else.

He gives us the best low post scorer we have had in forever.

THIS is a good low post scorer?

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2013/1010/gr ... e_1152.jpg

[Sunsdeuce]

A thing to remember with Monroe too, is that he shared the court with Drummond. Monroe's numbers would jump up significantly without sharing duties. Goran's numbers went up when Bledsoe went down because he didn't have to share duties.


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Nonsense. His numbers have been refractory for the past 3 years at 15.5 and 9.5. The first year Drummond was on the UConn Huskies and the 2nd year was Drummond's rookie year. He is remarkably consistent and appears to have plateaued in his development. He is not a max player and no one was willing to pay him a max.

Bledsoe isn't a max player either and no one is willing to pay him a max. Difference is bigs are harder to find than PGs. In fact the PG market is bloated.


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[BobbieL]

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He's is a clueless regurgitator of baseless rumors.

Jordan HIll and the Houston pick for Bledsoe.

That makes zero sense

These are probably false rumors but any deal with the Lakers would have to include Randle, Nash or HIll (not guaranteed second year) - AND either the Houston pick or the Lakers unprotect that top 5 pick. And with Bledsoe - one would think, they would be amenable.