Suns Offseason Thread 4: Where's Terrence Williams?

[lilfishi22]

If you google "markieff trade," you will see a lot of team articles on how their team can get Markieff. They all have one thing in common, all their trash for Markieff. Gotta love it.

That's probably how most teams actually see Kieff's value right now though.

It's really a double edge sword. You either keep Kieff and risk creating a toxic locker room (or keep him home and never allow his value to rebuild) or you trade him for the best deal you can find (probably trash).

[AtheJ415]

If you google "markieff trade," you will see a lot of team articles on how their team can get Markieff. They all have one thing in common, all their trash for Markieff. Gotta love it.

That's probably how most teams actually see Kieff's value right now though.

It's really a double edge sword. You either keep Kieff and risk creating a toxic locker room (or keep him home and never allow his value to rebuild) or you trade him for the best deal you can find (probably trash).

Nope. That has nothing to do with it. Houston fans, for instance, thought they could get Dragic prior to his trade demand, coming off an All-NBA season, for their poo poo platter of trash. That's just how fans think.

[lilfishi22]

You really think teams aren't going to lowball us knowing Kieff wants off the team?

[batsmasher]

I wonder if/when Traxxe's gag order ends. This offseason needs some spice

[bwgood77]

You really think teams aren't going to lowball us knowing Kieff wants off the team?

Of course they will lowball us, but chances are there are one or two teams that want his skills. I'm not sure how it works with GMs, but I'm guessing if there are teams that would like to have him, they may tell McD something like "before you pull the trigger on a Markieff trade, let us know, because we may consider something".

[lilfishi22]

You really think teams aren't going to lowball us knowing Kieff wants off the team?

Of course they will lowball us, but chances are there are one or two teams that want his skills. I'm not sure how it works with GMs, but I'm guessing if there are teams that would like to have him, they may tell McD something like "before you pull the trigger on a Markieff trade, let us know, because we may consider something".

For me, I find it difficult to accept selling him when his value is low.

[bwgood77]

You really think teams aren't going to lowball us knowing Kieff wants off the team?

Of course they will lowball us, but chances are there are one or two teams that want his skills. I'm not sure how it works with GMs, but I'm guessing if there are teams that would like to have him, they may tell McD something like "before you pull the trigger on a Markieff trade, let us know, because we may consider something".

For me, I find it difficult to accept selling him when his value is low.

Oh, I agree. I was just mentioning that I think he may not have such low value to a couple of teams in need of his skills. I just posted in the trade and transactions thread regarding him possibly going to Detroit.

[theSUNalsoRISES]

Exactly why I don't think markieff is getting traded. The whole situation was created by the Suns..surely mcd knew kief would be upset by trading away his bro. If we wanted them both gone for attitude reasons we'd trade them as a package along time ago. I think we are keeping kief....hence we have no other long term options at pf...we could have draft one or sourced a free agent long term...we did neither. So kief will be a Sun til the frront office gains leverage to pull a fair trade at the very least.

[lilfishi22]

Based on what Gambo has said, if he's going to show up to training camp and does his job, there shouldn't be a real need to move him when his value as at its lowest.

[Cutter]

Maybe McD wanted to trade Markieff to Detroit along with Marcus and Van Gundy said "no way". It takes two to tango, and just because the twins weren't traded to the same team doesn't mean the Suns didn't try. Other GM's aren't idiots. They see how the twins behave both on and off the court when they are together, and I think most teams want to avoid the drama. Nobody wants the twins as a package, so you have to deal them separately.

[aIvin adams]

Based on what Gambo has said, if he's going to show up to training camp and does his job, there shouldn't be a real need to move him when his value as at its lowest.

no ****.


am i missing something? did gambo actually report something?

[lilfishi22]

Based on what Gambo has said, if he's going to show up to training camp and does his job, there shouldn't be a real need to move him when his value as at its lowest.

no ****.


am i missing something? did gambo actually report something?

I think he reported that Kieff is going to just show up to camp on the mandatory date and not a second sooner.

[Mulhollanddrive]

Don't we spend 6 months trying to get rid of our trash for better players? But then something like Goodwin or 2 future firsts is the deal breaker?

[Moochthemonkey]

Don't we spend 6 months trying to get rid of our trash for better players? But then something like Goodwin or 2 future firsts is the deal breaker?

because Goodwin and future firsts aren't trash?

[thamadkant]

Don't we spend 6 months trying to get rid of our trash for better players? But then something like Goodwin or 2 future firsts is the deal breaker?

because Goodwin and future firsts aren't trash?

Goodwin is far from trash.

McD thinks so too.

[theSUNalsoRISES]

Maybe McD wanted to trade Markieff to Detroit along with Marcus and Van Gundy said "no way". It takes two to tango, and just because the twins weren't traded to the same team doesn't mean the Suns didn't try. Other GM's aren't idiots. They see how the twins behave both on and off the court when they are together, and I think most teams want to avoid the drama. Nobody wants the twins as a package, so you have to deal them separately.

Well then u deal kief first before a situation like we have now is set...where a solid player with a some trade value wants out.Marcus was a straight salary dump to allow for the development of tj, regardless of the LA signing. We have lkief long term cheap I believe the generally feeling must be he'll get over it and be a solid member of the team eventually. Markieff would thrive with a defence minded center and having a veteran to put him in his place. However as a guy with a dragic n Nash suns jersey ..pleas just donate a current kief jersey to me and he'll be off the team in 6 months tops.

[Mr-Al]

Suns: Taj Gibson, Chase Budinger, Myles Turner

Pacers: Markieff Morris, Tony Snell, Suns 2016 1st rounder (Top 10 Protected)

Bulls: PJ Tucker, Archie Goodwin


Pacers get the legitimate starting PF they were lacking to compete with Paul George and a young SF to replace Budinger

Bulls get a good role player for their system in Tucker and get a lot more versatility and SF depth, gets more minutes for Mirotic

Suns get a veteran starting PF and most importantly a great young PF prospect in Turner, Budinger lessens the SF load on Warren

Bled/Price
Knight/Weems/Booker
Warren/Budinger/Weems
Gibson/Mirza/Turner
Chandler/Len

(Chances are that Indy never gives up Turner, in which case, I would not do this trade)

I don't understand people's infatuation with Taj Gibson. He is OK but nothing to write home about. At best he is a 6th man. He is NOT a starter quality player. His numbers are average at best. He is a dirt worker/hustle guy, that's it. There is no scenario where the Suns give up markieff AND a first for Taj. Straight up, I'm ok with just to get Markeiff's drama out of here. Look Taj is 30, there is no more upside at that age. What you see is what u get. I'm fine giving up markeiff straight up for TAj but nothing else. Basically Suns give up an Ok player for another OK player.

I understand that the Suns are more than likely to get screwed on any markeiff deal because he backed the Suns into a corner. At the same time I understand markeiff is another OK player. He just happens to play on a decent contract.

Markieff gets overvalued on this board way way too much. Yeah he is a decent player but he will never be an All-star. Best you can hope for with Markeiff is a 6th man of the year.


Edit: I didn't see Myles turner initially. I don't think they give him up.

Without Turner it's no deal. The Pacers are getting a lot back though, the 11th pick and an expiring for a young above average starting PF, a young sg/sf prospect, and a potential lottery pick next season

[King4Day]

Suns: Taj Gibson, Chase Budinger, Myles Turner

Pacers: Markieff Morris, Tony Snell, Suns 2016 1st rounder (Top 10 Protected)

Bulls: PJ Tucker, Archie Goodwin


Pacers get the legitimate starting PF they were lacking to compete with Paul George and a young SF to replace Budinger

Bulls get a good role player for their system in Tucker and get a lot more versatility and SF depth, gets more minutes for Mirotic

Suns get a veteran starting PF and most importantly a great young PF prospect in Turner, Budinger lessens the SF load on Warren

Bled/Price
Knight/Weems/Booker
Warren/Budinger/Weems
Gibson/Mirza/Turner
Chandler/Len

(Chances are that Indy never gives up Turner, in which case, I would not do this trade)

I don't understand people's infatuation with Taj Gibson. He is OK but nothing to write home about. At best he is a 6th man. He is NOT a starter quality player. His numbers are average at best. He is a dirt worker/hustle guy, that's it. There is no scenario where the Suns give up markieff AND a first for Taj. Straight up, I'm ok with just to get Markeiff's drama out of here. Look Taj is 30, there is no more upside at that age. What you see is what u get. I'm fine giving up markeiff straight up for TAj but nothing else. Basically Suns give up an Ok player for another OK player.

I understand that the Suns are more than likely to get screwed on any markeiff deal because he backed the Suns into a corner. At the same time I understand markeiff is another OK player. He just happens to play on a decent contract.

Markieff gets overvalued on this board way way too much. Yeah he is a decent player but he will never be an All-star. Best you can hope for with Markeiff is a 6th man of the year.


Edit: I didn't see Myles turner initially. I don't think they give him up.

Without Turner it's no deal. The Pacers are getting a lot back though, the 11th pick and an expiring for a young above average starting PF, a young sg/sf prospect, and a potential lottery pick next season

I think the Suns are getting too much in this deal as is. Plus, Buddinger can't be dealt until midseason.
As many are saying, Pacers aren't giving up Turner. They got him to replace Hibbert. They take a step back by making this move.

With Kieff's value now, Taj Gibson might be the best we can hope for.
We need to just hang onto him, make amends and keep an eye open on the market over the duration of his contract.

If nothing else, Kieff will have the uncertainty, and likelihood that he's going to be dealt eventually. So he should begin looking at selling his home in PHX.

[RunDogGun]

Bud can be dealt sooner, just not in a multi player deal such as this.

[SideSwipe]

If a trade of Markieff doesn't make us better, then there is no reason to trade him. He has too much talent to just be dropped. All we have right now to substantiate this hate is reporting from Gambo on him not answering phone calls- and based on that Gambo sayin he wants off the team. Now I am not saying he isn't pissed, but so far we have only had one unsubstantiated report of a lack of professionalism (phone calls) from him. Do I believe it could be worse, yes? So far, however, he is keeping it professional and doing what he committed to in his contract and CBA.

If these offers continue to be low....ride it out, they will get better after camp opens and Kieff is still there. Kieff will understand his best chance to get off the team will be to play well.