Season Speculation, Trade Ideas and Discussion

[lilfishi22]

where will Stanley Johnson play?

He meeds starter minutes to reach his potential.
Does that mean one of Chriss and Bender is traded?

We don't know what we have in Bender and Chriss. They are raw and we need talent at every position. If we can get someone like Stanley Johnson for Tucker (or Knight) and a pick we can play him at SG, SF or even PF (he is really strong). He is an all around player.

I don't know he's great as an SG. He's already a solid wing defender but he struggles shooting from range. His ideal position may be that SF/PF tweener that nobody seems to like. But with his size (6'7 240lbs), length (close to 7ft wingspan) and his strength, I think he's ideal to play that Artest/Tucker type role of guarding wings but also guarding 4's in stretches. So yeah, if we lose some combination of Chriss/Bender/TJ as part of a package for Cousins(?) then Stanimal would be a great guy to bring in.

[NavLDO]

Just curious. Why wouldn't you include Warren in a deal for Wall?

I would but I figured most here wouldn't. I just think a PG with tremendous vision and handles would be huge for the offense and Booker specifically. Try to keep our pick or heavily protect it. Build and elite backcourt and look attractive to FA's.

yeah I agree, Wall and Booker would be lethal. I know a lot of guys in here have huge hard ons for Warren (which is fine) though.

But for the Wizards, their problem doesn’t have anything to do with the 1, 2, or 3. It’s the same problem we had a year ago and beyond—MARKIEFF—and to a smaller extent, Gortat. We don’t have anything they want, unless they want Chriss, think Bender is a 4 or 5, or actually appreciate Len’s defensive prowess. If so, they MAY consider trading, but doubt it would be Wall. Likely, it would be Beal, and they’d want Booker. And everyone here would explode, of course, but why would they want Bledsoe? Wall-to-Bledsoe is a Much bigger drop-off than Beal-to-Booker due to Contract Cost, age, and talent.

If I’m the Wizards, I might offer Beal, Oubre, and Gortat ($36M) and a pick for Booker, Chriss, Len, Chandler, and Knight ($35M). They get out from under the max for Beal, a declining Gortat for another 2.7 years, and only lose a 2nd option to the 3 position they’ve got locked up and a pick, and in return, they get Defense at the 5 in Len and/or Chandler, a young up-and-comer at SG in Booker to replace Beal, but in the short term, they now have a decent combo Guard they hope a change in scenery may change his ways, and a decent potential guy at the 4 that may be able to replace Kieff next year at the 4.

Just looking at it from their side, is all. No way they want a THIRD SF in Warren, a PG who is half of what they currently have in Wall, just for a pick and or Bender/Chriss. No way…wy the heck would they make that trade????

[Weemsickew14]

Don't worry, once Knight gets traded in the near future Ulis will get the back-up pg duties and we will see what he can do with it. I am extremely high on Ulis as well and for the next few years he is going to make an amazing back-up for Eric Bledsoe

[carey]

We did we lock the game day thread? If I wanted to talk to Pelicans fans I'd go to a bar down the street.

[Kerrsed]

We did we lock the game day thread? If I wanted to talk to Pelicans fans I'd go to a bar down the street.

Obviously you didnt read the 1st post or look at the links provided. If you did, you would understand. Its 1 poster, Just 1.

[carey]

We did we lock the game day thread? If I wanted to talk to Pelicans fans I'd go to a bar down the street.

Obviously you didnt read the 1st post or look at the links provided. If you did, you would understand. Its 1 poster, Just 1.

Ah, poor dude. Tell him to go over to the bird writes or something. Also, I never look at the first post with all the IMG spam and stuff. My mistake.

[Kerrsed]

We did we lock the game day thread? If I wanted to talk to Pelicans fans I'd go to a bar down the street.

Obviously you didnt read the 1st post or look at the links provided. If you did, you would understand. Its 1 poster, Just 1.

Ah, poor dude. Tell him to go over to the bird writes or something. Also, I never look at the first post with all the IMG spam and stuff. My mistake.

Its all good man. I just saw a poster that looked like he could be cheered up and felt it was something we could do that was as simple as posting in his thread.

Those previously threads were hilarious with his 1 post gifs.

[Barkley_34]

[quote="Kerrsed"][quote="carey"]

Ah, poor dude. Tell him to go over to the bird writes or something. Also, I never look at the first post with all the IMG spam and stuff. My mistake.[/quote]

Its all good man. I just saw a poster that looked like he could be cheered up and felt it was something we could do that was as simple as posting in his thread.

Those previously threads were hilarious with his 1 post gifs.[/quote]


I'll try to post something sometimes. Really really sad this

[AtheJ415]

Here we are talking about Bledsoe's future with the team. But perhaps what we should be more concerned about is Tyler.

Tyler's looked the best of all our PGs thus far, in my opinion. And to my mind, the biggest question we are soon to face as a franchise is - is Tyler our future starter or future backup?

The reason for the urgency is the plethora of point guards available in the upcoming draft. Do we need one? Or should we focus on other deficiencies (defense on the wings, interior play, front court scoring)?

If Tyler is so good that he is undoubtedly part of a three-man backcourt rotation going forward, is there a guard we could draft who would be able to play 1 next to Booker and 2 next to Tyler, to our satisfaction?

I want to see what the kid's got. If for no other reason, we should reshuffle the deck in the backcourt to get a better look.

I would like to see him start at some point, but I don't expect he will be quite good enough to start on a high caliber team. I think if we want to be a 2nd round playoff team or better, we need someone with more size who makes more of an impact.

I agree. He's ideal as the backup 1, but his ceiling as a starter is IT. I am not sure IT is good enough to win a title with as the starter, as good as he is. I'm all aboard moving Knight or Bledsoe as well as Tucker for more picks.

I wouldn't be opposed to us drafting Lauri Markannen with our 1st pick either despite the plethora of PGs. Really it depends on where we end up (are Fultz or Ball or maybe Smith available). A frontcourt of him, Chriss, Bender, and Len (I know he and Bender would need to add significant weight, but still) is versatile, long, and provides a ton of spacing without eventually killing you defensively (I say eventually because they are young so they suck at D but have the tools to be good).

[Kerrsed]

So, just a thought, and on the fence if i would actually pull the trigger on this one, but.....

A few Spurs fans on the trade board seem rather unimpressed with Aldridge and are having a bit of buyers remorse. His numbers are down this season (even though he played great for them last season). Some believe its due to Pop's insistence to start Gasol next to him and it has turned Aldridge more into a pick-and-pop player.

So the poster was looking for offers for Aldridge and i was thinking something along the lines of:

Bender(or Chriss)/Len/Knight/2018 1st for Aldridge/Murray

I would be fine losing out on re-signing Len, They would use Knight as trade bait, Bender or Chriss would be difficult for us to lose, but they are 2 youngsters vying for the same spot, and the 1st would also be in the year that we have Miami's 1st (2018), so we would still have a draft pick that year.

We know that our FO was impressed with Murray pre-draft, but man, Bledsoe/Booker/Warren/Aldridge/Chandler, if LaMarcus could even play just as good as he did last season, i think our team would look a whole hell of a lot different. 3 years on his deal (along with Chandler) give us that window, and allow us to bring Chriss or Bender along more slowly behind a seasoned Vet. Imagine if Chriss could pick up some of Aldridges defensive instincts while also retaining his Amare-like athleticism.

Now i have no idea if that package could net us Aldridge on the trade board let along in real life, but who would be ok with something like this?

[AtheJ415]

So, just a thought, and on the fence if i would actually pull the trigger on this one, but.....

A few Spurs fans on the trade board seem rather unimpressed with Aldridge and are having a bit of buyers remorse. His numbers are down this season (even though he played great for them last season). Some believe its due to Pop's insistence to start Gasol next to him and it has turned Aldridge more into a pick-and-pop player.

So the poster was looking for offers for Aldridge and i was thinking something along the lines of:

Bender(or Chriss)/Len/Knight/2018 1st for Aldridge/Murray

I would be fine losing out on re-signing Len, They would use Knight as trade bait, Bender or Chriss would be difficult for us to lose, but they are 2 youngsters vying for the same spot, and the 1st would also be in the year that we have Miami's 1st (2018), so we would still have a draft pick that year.

We know that our FO was impressed with Murray pre-draft, but man, Bledsoe/Booker/Warren/Aldridge/Chandler, if LaMarcus could even play just as good as he did last season, i think our team would look a whole hell of a lot different. 3 years on his deal (along with Chandler) give us that window, and allow us to bring Chriss or Bender along more slowly behind a seasoned Vet. Imagine if Chriss could pick up some of Aldridges defensive instincts while also retaining his Amare-like athleticism.

Now i have no idea if that package could net us Aldridge on the trade board let along in real life, but who would be ok with something like this?

I'd say no. I would rather have the 2018 first and see no reason to split up Bender and Chriss. They are a great fit for each other and we should see where they go imo. Cousins may be different, but we shouldn't be dumping either for an aging Aldridge.

[thamadkant]

Aldridge isnt much of an inside scorer like Cousins is... And Suns need inside scoring... So I would trade a lot for Cousins but not so much for Aldridge.

[carey]

Never trade with the Spurs.

[Scutt]

I really wish that the Suns front office would have more respect for the fans. They told us all off season how there would be no playoff expectations and the focus would be on developing our young players. Yet, here we are in December, with a 7-14 record, and Watson is riding Chandler, Tucker, and Barbosa, in a desperate attempt at a win over the crappy Pelicans.

Our front office would prefer fighting for the 8th seed with a bunch 30 year olds, over drafting and developing players. So I could totally see them shipping off all our young talent for a veteran like Aldridge.

I think it is pretty clear now why they brought in Dudley and Barbosa when we already have Chandler and Tucker as Veteran presences. They thought Booker would take the next step, and they could give big minutes to them along with Bledsoe, Knight, Tucker, and Chandler and possibly grab the 8th seed by surprise. Then declare that the rebuild is over because we have Booker and made the playoffs.

[Saberestar]

So, just a thought, and on the fence if i would actually pull the trigger on this one, but.....

A few Spurs fans on the trade board seem rather unimpressed with Aldridge and are having a bit of buyers remorse. His numbers are down this season (even though he played great for them last season). Some believe its due to Pop's insistence to start Gasol next to him and it has turned Aldridge more into a pick-and-pop player.

So the poster was looking for offers for Aldridge and i was thinking something along the lines of:

Bender(or Chriss)/Len/Knight/2018 1st for Aldridge/Murray

I would be fine losing out on re-signing Len, They would use Knight as trade bait, Bender or Chriss would be difficult for us to lose, but they are 2 youngsters vying for the same spot, and the 1st would also be in the year that we have Miami's 1st (2018), so we would still have a draft pick that year.

We know that our FO was impressed with Murray pre-draft, but man, Bledsoe/Booker/Warren/Aldridge/Chandler, if LaMarcus could even play just as good as he did last season, i think our team would look a whole hell of a lot different. 3 years on his deal (along with Chandler) give us that window, and allow us to bring Chriss or Bender along more slowly behind a seasoned Vet. Imagine if Chriss could pick up some of Aldridges defensive instincts while also retaining his Amare-like athleticism.

Now i have no idea if that package could net us Aldridge on the trade board let along in real life, but who would be ok with something like this?

I would make this trade. I think it would be fair for both sides.

Knight and that 2018 pick do not have too much value IMO (we have that Miami pick in 2018 too).

Len and Chriss (I prefer Bender over him) for Aldridge and Murray is a good trade for us.

Aldridge is gonna play a lot of minutes at C the next few years ( more weight and age ) so no need to pay Len nearly $20M per year to be a backup.

[Saberestar]

I really wish that the Suns front office would have more respect for the fans. They told us all off season how there would be no playoff expectations and the focus would be on developing our young players. Yet, here we are in December, with a 7-17 record, and Watson is riding Chandler, Tucker, and Barbosa, in a desperate attempt at a win over the crappy Pelicans.

Fixed for you.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

I thought Coro's quote of Earl Watson in today's article was pretty revealing. He said something to the effect of, Young guys will struggle to finish games, but it's mostly our veterans who are struggling to do that.

I think the coaching staff and the FO are likely on the same page. Time to scuttle the ship. I think Earl wants to play Ulis ahead of the vets as much as anyone, but knows that for the good of the team, he can't.

Wish Ayton were available this year instead of next.

[bwgood77]

So, just a thought, and on the fence if i would actually pull the trigger on this one, but.....

A few Spurs fans on the trade board seem rather unimpressed with Aldridge and are having a bit of buyers remorse. His numbers are down this season (even though he played great for them last season). Some believe its due to Pop's insistence to start Gasol next to him and it has turned Aldridge more into a pick-and-pop player.

So the poster was looking for offers for Aldridge and i was thinking something along the lines of:

Bender(or Chriss)/Len/Knight/2018 1st for Aldridge/Murray

I would be fine losing out on re-signing Len, They would use Knight as trade bait, Bender or Chriss would be difficult for us to lose, but they are 2 youngsters vying for the same spot, and the 1st would also be in the year that we have Miami's 1st (2018), so we would still have a draft pick that year.

We know that our FO was impressed with Murray pre-draft, but man, Bledsoe/Booker/Warren/Aldridge/Chandler, if LaMarcus could even play just as good as he did last season, i think our team would look a whole hell of a lot different. 3 years on his deal (along with Chandler) give us that window, and allow us to bring Chriss or Bender along more slowly behind a seasoned Vet. Imagine if Chriss could pick up some of Aldridges defensive instincts while also retaining his Amare-like athleticism.

Now i have no idea if that package could net us Aldridge on the trade board let along in real life, but who would be ok with something like this?

I would make this trade. I think it would be fair for both sides.

Knight and that 2018 pick do not have too much value IMO (we have that Miami pick in 2018 too).

Len and Chriss (I prefer Bender over him) for Aldridge and Murray is a good trade for us.

Aldridge is gonna play a lot of minutes at C the next few years ( more weight and age ) so no need to pay Len nearly $20M per year to be a backup.

All we are doing with that trade is giving the Spurs a nice reboot for their future while giving us a treadmill team that will maybe get to the first round a couple times before fizzling out and starting over.

It's amazing that people are this impatient to get a low tier playoff team when the Warriors are going to dominate the league for the next 5 years, and the Clips and Spurs won't be far behind for awhile.

Bender just turned 19 3 weeks ago and will take a bit. He's like 14 years younger than Barbosa and Chandler. 14 years! And then Chriss turned 19 5 months ago and Booker just turned 20. I mean our team is so young I can understand it is frustrating for some but they will take time to learn some things, but the sky is the limit for these guys.

It scares me some people think like this because it makes me wonder if Sarver is thinking this way too and we will treadmill forever under his watch going forward. I REALLY hope he is embracing the rebuild, because good long term success is usually done that way. It also builds a great fan base because they get familiar with them instead of watching the shuffling of players every year.

[Saberestar]

So, just a thought, and on the fence if i would actually pull the trigger on this one, but.....

A few Spurs fans on the trade board seem rather unimpressed with Aldridge and are having a bit of buyers remorse. His numbers are down this season (even though he played great for them last season). Some believe its due to Pop's insistence to start Gasol next to him and it has turned Aldridge more into a pick-and-pop player.

So the poster was looking for offers for Aldridge and i was thinking something along the lines of:

Bender(or Chriss)/Len/Knight/2018 1st for Aldridge/Murray

I would be fine losing out on re-signing Len, They would use Knight as trade bait, Bender or Chriss would be difficult for us to lose, but they are 2 youngsters vying for the same spot, and the 1st would also be in the year that we have Miami's 1st (2018), so we would still have a draft pick that year.

We know that our FO was impressed with Murray pre-draft, but man, Bledsoe/Booker/Warren/Aldridge/Chandler, if LaMarcus could even play just as good as he did last season, i think our team would look a whole hell of a lot different. 3 years on his deal (along with Chandler) give us that window, and allow us to bring Chriss or Bender along more slowly behind a seasoned Vet. Imagine if Chriss could pick up some of Aldridges defensive instincts while also retaining his Amare-like athleticism.

Now i have no idea if that package could net us Aldridge on the trade board let along in real life, but who would be ok with something like this?

I would make this trade. I think it would be fair for both sides.

Knight and that 2018 pick do not have too much value IMO (we have that Miami pick in 2018 too).

Len and Chriss (I prefer Bender over him) for Aldridge and Murray is a good trade for us.

Aldridge is gonna play a lot of minutes at C the next few years ( more weight and age ) so no need to pay Len nearly $20M per year to be a backup.

All we are doing with that trade is giving the Spurs a nice reboot for their future while giving us a treadmill team that will maybe get to the first round a couple times before fizzling out and starting over.

It's amazing that people are this impatient to get a low tier playoff team when the Warriors are going to dominate the league for the next 5 years, and the Clips and Spurs won't be far behind for awhile.

Bender just turned 19 3 weeks ago and will take a bit. He's like 14 years younger than Barbosa and Chandler. 14 years! And then Chriss turned 19 5 months ago and Booker just turned 20. I mean our team is so young I can understand it is frustrating for some but they will take time to learn some things, but the sky is the limit for these guys.

It scares me some people think like this because it makes me wonder if Sarver is thinking this way too and we will treadmill forever under his watch going forward. I REALLY hope he is embracing the rebuild, because good long term success is usually done that way. It also builds a great fan base because they get familiar with them instead of watching the shuffling of players every year.

In that hypothetical trade we receive Murray who can be a very good player...at this point I do not know if Chriss is a better prospect than him, so I am thinking about our future too.

Len is not gonna be better than Aldridge never...I do not care if Aldridge is 45 years old...he is a great player and he is gonna be really good the next few years for sure.

I think it would be a good trade for our present AND our future. Just my opinion.

[bwgood77]

I would make this trade. I think it would be fair for both sides.

Knight and that 2018 pick do not have too much value IMO (we have that Miami pick in 2018 too).

Len and Chriss (I prefer Bender over him) for Aldridge and Murray is a good trade for us.

Aldridge is gonna play a lot of minutes at C the next few years ( more weight and age ) so no need to pay Len nearly $20M per year to be a backup.

All we are doing with that trade is giving the Spurs a nice reboot for their future while giving us a treadmill team that will maybe get to the first round a couple times before fizzling out and starting over.

It's amazing that people are this impatient to get a low tier playoff team when the Warriors are going to dominate the league for the next 5 years, and the Clips and Spurs won't be far behind for awhile.

Bender just turned 19 3 weeks ago and will take a bit. He's like 14 years younger than Barbosa and Chandler. 14 years! And then Chriss turned 19 5 months ago and Booker just turned 20. I mean our team is so young I can understand it is frustrating for some but they will take time to learn some things, but the sky is the limit for these guys.

It scares me some people think like this because it makes me wonder if Sarver is thinking this way too and we will treadmill forever under his watch going forward. I REALLY hope he is embracing the rebuild, because good long term success is usually done that way. It also builds a great fan base because they get familiar with them instead of watching the shuffling of players every year.

In that hypothetical trade we receive Murray who can be a very good player...at this point I do not know if Chriss is a better prospect than him, so I am thinking about our future too.

Len is not gonna be better than Aldridge never...I do not care if Aldridge is 45 years old...he is a great player and he is gonna be really good the next few years for sure.

I think it would be a good trade for our present AND our future. Just my opinion.

I guess Len and Chriss I'd possibly do, since we keep Bender for the future, but I'd rather do it in the offseason after the draft. But I do like Len and I think Chriss could be a very exciting player, and Murray is a total wildcard and I think PG can better be addressed in the draft. Aldridge just doesn't excite me all that much either.

He's 31 and probably has a few good years left and by the time we were relevant, he wouldn't be, so I'd stay the course.