The Trade/Free Agency Thread: All Eyes Toward The Offseason 2

[bwgood77]

GS will let him go if he wants out. Gambo has harped on Barnes continually for a while now. He said we are interested.

Yes, they said they'd agree to let him go and try to work out a sign and trade. So they'd probably want like Warren or someone back. Would you do that?

Ahhh... That's tough. Is it the good or bad Barnes? TJ's offense is just as good but Barnes has better D. I looked up Barnes shooting numbers and they were horrendous and for the type of money he is seeking, probably not.

Did you look them up for the finals? When Green was out and they REALLY needed him he was awful. Total series stats..... http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/2016-nba-finals-cavaliers-vs-warriors.html

Game 5 Draymond suspension

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201606130GSW.html 2-14, 1-6 from 3

[darealjuice]

Rose/????/Melo/Porzingis/Dwight would have been sick if everyone but Porzingis was like 5 years younger.

[JMac1]

Yes, they said they'd agree to let him go and try to work out a sign and trade. So they'd probably want like Warren or someone back. Would you do that?

Ahhh... That's tough. Is it the good or bad Barnes? TJ's offense is just as good but Barnes has better D. I looked up Barnes shooting numbers and they were horrendous and for the type of money he is seeking, probably not.

Did you look them up for the finals? When Green was out and they REALLY needed him he was awful. Total series stats..... http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/2016-nba-finals-cavaliers-vs-warriors.html

Game 5 Draymond suspension

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201606130GSW.html 2-14, 1-6 from 3

At the end of the day though, he is a young, solid starting player who could fill our PF role right away.

[thamadkant]

I like Len and hopeful he becomes a double double...

But Jah as a 18-19 year old big man has outplayed him.



All these suns fans against Jah and saying he cant rebound or block shots.... Judge him as if he is 23 or 24 years old.

The guy is a teen ager...

He is shorter than Len... But has longer wingspan and same standing reach... And already an accomplished post scorer.


Ddid any of you guys watch Demarcus Cousins when he was a rookie?
Now Cousins is a 24ppg 11rpg dominant force...
Who the Suns have No assets to trade for...

Yet Okafor is available mainly because 76ers have a clogged lineup of big man... And some of you guys nit pick stats of him as a teen ager center to put him down.... Wow.

I suppose only 3pt shooting big men who can rebound are worth trying to acquire.

Some of you guys would probably pick Sam Perkins or Okur over some dominant post players.


The irony is... Some of the fans that are hopeful Booker will become a decent defender and improve..
Judge Jah as a finished product... When they are the same age...


Who cares if the Suns have Chandler or Len.... Chandler has peaked and Len will never be a dominant paint scorer... Okafor has the potential to surpass both as a 20-21 year old.

Len is also due for a contract soon... Some crazy GM will likely throw huge money to him...

I still recall some Suns fans hating on Biyombo back a couple of years ago. He was a 3bpg 11rpg per 36 minutes back then yet some fans here dont want him.... Now that the standards have changed... Since Okafor is available... Some Suns fans want Biyombo like numbers now..

Does anyone else see a pattern. Basically.. Some fans will just see what they want to see. Some players will apparently improve but others never will.. Even though they are the same age.


Suns suck... They need talent in the worst ways... There is no small ball system... There is no fast tempo system... There is nothing holding Suns back from attempting to get talent... There is NO system... suns are in the process of creating one..
. which means... Talent first... Fit should be near the bottom of requirements.

[Cactus Jack]

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[rsavaj]

Somebody please make a better small ball lineup than this, THAT"S POSSIBLE. No 80 team trade. I dare ya.


Small ball

Bledsoe
Buddy
Booker
Barnes
Chandler

All we do in this scenario is draft Buddy and sign Barnes.

uhh....Buddy can't play defense, Booker can't play defense right now on SGs, let alone SFs, Barnes is barely replacement-level, and Chandler is on the downswing.

What am I missing here.

You are not answering the question, that's what you are missing. Anyone can critique, but let's assume Mc'D and Sarver wants to win (be better), give me a better lineup. Thank you.

And Chandler, Bledsoe and Barnes play defense, but i guess you want 5 top tier defenders at ever position, otherwise we suck. I did say small ball didn't I?

You did say small ball, but having two minus defenders in your lineup will crater your defense, no matter how good they are on offense.

I don't think Buddy/Booker is a pairing that makes sense at all. Booker/Brown makes more sense to me, and I don't really even like Brown that much.

Barnes is a decent defender but he's not worth max money.

[bwgood77]

uhh....Buddy can't play defense, Booker can't play defense right now on SGs, let alone SFs, Barnes is barely replacement-level, and Chandler is on the downswing.

What am I missing here.

You are not answering the question, that's what you are missing. Anyone can critique, but let's assume Mc'D and Sarver wants to win (be better), give me a better lineup. Thank you.

And Chandler, Bledsoe and Barnes play defense, but i guess you want 5 top tier defenders at ever position, otherwise we suck. I did say small ball didn't I?

You did say small ball, but having two minus defenders in your lineup will crater your defense, no matter how good they are on offense.

I don't think Buddy/Booker is a pairing that makes sense at all. Booker/Brown makes more sense to me, and I don't really even like Brown that much.

Barnes is a decent defender but he's not worth max money.

I definitely like Barnes better at PF than SF, but don't want him for a lot of money and certainly don't want to give up assets to get him in a S&T.

[letsgosuns]

SportsCenter ‏@SportsCenter 9m9 minutes ago
Jimmy Butler this season:
• Playing w/ Rose: 19.5 PPG, 5.0 RPG, 4.4 APG
• Without Rose: 27.7 PPG, 7.2 RPG, 7.0 APG

[JMac1]

uhh....Buddy can't play defense, Booker can't play defense right now on SGs, let alone SFs, Barnes is barely replacement-level, and Chandler is on the downswing.

What am I missing here.

You are not answering the question, that's what you are missing. Anyone can critique, but let's assume Mc'D and Sarver wants to win (be better), give me a better lineup. Thank you.

And Chandler, Bledsoe and Barnes play defense, but i guess you want 5 top tier defenders at ever position, otherwise we suck. I did say small ball didn't I?

You did say small ball, but having two minus defenders in your lineup will crater your defense, no matter how good they are on offense.

I don't think Buddy/Booker is a pairing that makes sense at all. Booker/Brown makes more sense to me, and I don't really even like Brown that much.

Barnes is a decent defender but he's not worth max money.

Brown can't shoot. Is Curry and Klay a good pair? Having shooters play off each other is an excellent thing.

Booker will get better defensively and Hield has the tools to be at least a par defender. Again, just something that could happen. When I put two and two together it doesn't look that bad, not perfect, but not bad and better than yesterday.

[gaspar]

These fake Woj accounts are annoying.

[rsavaj]

You are not answering the question, that's what you are missing. Anyone can critique, but let's assume Mc'D and Sarver wants to win (be better), give me a better lineup. Thank you.

And Chandler, Bledsoe and Barnes play defense, but i guess you want 5 top tier defenders at ever position, otherwise we suck. I did say small ball didn't I?

You did say small ball, but having two minus defenders in your lineup will crater your defense, no matter how good they are on offense.

I don't think Buddy/Booker is a pairing that makes sense at all. Booker/Brown makes more sense to me, and I don't really even like Brown that much.

Barnes is a decent defender but he's not worth max money.

Brown can't shoot. Is Curry and Klay a good pair? Having shooters play off each other is an excellent thing.

Booker will get better defensively and Hield has the tools to be at least a par defender. Again, just something that could happen. When I put two and two together it doesn't look that bad, not perfect, but not bad and better than yesterday.

The difference there is that Klay is one of the best wing defenders in the game right now.

You're right, if Buddy and Booker can become neutral defenders, that's an interesting lineup...but I don't see McDonough drafting Hield tomorrow with Booker as the SG of the future.

[bwgood77]

SportsCenter ‏@SportsCenter 9m9 minutes ago
Jimmy Butler this season:
• Playing w/ Rose: 19.5 PPG, 5.0 RPG, 4.4 APG
• Without Rose: 27.7 PPG, 7.2 RPG, 7.0 APG

Wow, those without Rose #s are elite. Like Jordan only averaged over 7 assists once and 7 rebounds once (one year he averaged 8 of both, but never reached 7 of either any other year). http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html

Kobe never reached 7 of either. http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bryanko01.html

[JMac1]

You did say small ball, but having two minus defenders in your lineup will crater your defense, no matter how good they are on offense.

I don't think Buddy/Booker is a pairing that makes sense at all. Booker/Brown makes more sense to me, and I don't really even like Brown that much.

Barnes is a decent defender but he's not worth max money.

Brown can't shoot. Is Curry and Klay a good pair? Having shooters play off each other is an excellent thing.

Booker will get better defensively and Hield has the tools to be at least a par defender. Again, just something that could happen. When I put two and two together it doesn't look that bad, not perfect, but not bad and better than yesterday.

The difference there is that Klay is one of the best wing defenders in the game right now.

You're right, if Buddy and Booker can become neutral defenders, that's an interesting lineup...but I don't see McDonough drafting Hield tomorrow with Booker as the SG of the future.

I agree, but Hield is the most NBA ready player and Gambo says he is on the short list. Could draft him if no trade occurs.

[Qwigglez]

I don't see Butler sticking around. Yeah he's young now... but the Bulls rebuilding may take an additional 2-3 years before they make the playoffs. Butler could demand a trade and lower his value that way, or simply just by getting older his value could lower. I think the Bulls need to trade him now, and preferably to the Suns for #4 and maybe our 2018 1st if need be.

[Qwigglez]

Bout to take a nap, I'm assuming I'm gonna wake up to hear that Knight has been traded to Argentina or somewhere...

[bwgood77]

I don't see Butler sticking around. Yeah he's young now... but the Bulls rebuilding may take an additional 2-3 years before they make the playoffs. Butler could demand a trade and lower his value that way, or simply just by getting older his value could lower. I think the Bulls need to trade him now, and preferably to the Suns for #4 and maybe our 2018 1st if need be.

Butler is a franchise player under contract for 4 more years. They barely missed the playoffs because they had old vets..now they have a bunch of young guys at every position but center (though RoLo isn't that old).

[bwgood77]

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Knicks fans not happy to say the least.

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[saintEscaton]

I like Len and hopeful he becomes a double double...

But Jah as a 18-19 year old big man has outplayed him.



All these suns fans against Jah and saying he cant rebound or block shots.... Judge him as if he is 23 or 24 years old.

The guy is a teen ager...

He is shorter than Len... But has longer wingspan and same standing reach... And already an accomplished post scorer.


Ddid any of you guys watch Demarcus Cousins when he was a rookie?
Now Cousins is a 24ppg 11rpg dominant force...
Who the Suns have No assets to trade for...

Yet Okafor is available mainly because 76ers have a clogged lineup of big man... And some of you guys nit pick stats of him as a teen ager center to put him down.... Wow.

I suppose only 3pt shooting big men who can rebound are worth trying to acquire.

Some of you guys would probably pick Sam Perkins or Okur over some dominant post players.


The irony is... Some of the fans that are hopeful Booker will become a decent defender and improve..
Judge Jah as a finished product... When they are the same age...


Who cares if the Suns have Chandler or Len.... Chandler has peaked and Len will never be a dominant paint scorer... Okafor has the potential to surpass both as a 20-21 year old.

Len is also due for a contract soon... Some crazy GM will likely throw huge money to him...

I still recall some Suns fans hating on Biyombo back a couple of years ago. He was a 3bpg 11rpg per 36 minutes back then yet some fans here dont want him.... Now that the standards have changed... Since Okafor is available... Some Suns fans want Biyombo like numbers now..

Does anyone else see a pattern. Basically.. Some fans will just see what they want to see. Some players will apparently improve but others never will.. Even though they are the same age.


Suns suck... They need talent in the worst ways... There is no small ball system... There is no fast tempo system... There is nothing holding Suns back from attempting to get talent... There is NO system... suns are in the process of creating one..
. which means... Talent first... Fit should be near the bottom of requirements.

Truth

[Frank Lee]

Will we be resolved to window shopping in trade land? I can see no deals as the most probable outcome with our offerings. Unless we are willing to part with Bled or Warren ... Who else is there that would warrant a significant upgrade? (Set up for the Knight-riders who insist his league value is on par with McMully's investment)

That said, is this the time to trade bled for okafor + future pick? Just draft Dunn ourselves?



One FA name not mentioned much anywhere is Ryan Anderson. Seems a while back he was the ideal pf for us. And I am still anticipating a Jordan Hill inquiry.

[letsgosuns]

Nick Friedell ‏@NickFriedell 6m6 minutes ago
I don't believe the Bulls are done dealing. This is just the first step in a much longer process to reconfigure this group.