Post#1584 » by WeekapaugGroove » Fri Jul 14, 2023 10:08 pm
bwgood77 wrote:WeekapaugGroove wrote:bwgood77 wrote:Ayton did improve considerably though in year 2 and year 3 and on offense in year 4. Turner's rebounding #s obviously were down playing with Sabonis but even without him, he only averaged 7.5 even though that was an uptick. I really like Turner though and think it would be a great return...I can just see people eventually complaining about him as well, with what I've said, being injured often, etc. I understand he doesn't make as much, but that's kind of moot given our team's salaries. We are well over the cap even just removing him entirely.
I think there is still a very good chance he gets traded though. The restriction for Indy is tomorrow so we will see if anything happens, and it wouldn't necessarily happen right away. Indy seemingly wanted to pair Turner and Ayton though, so I don't know if they'd want to make the swap given they didn't last summer. Unless we declined an Ayton for Turner trade last summer, but that doesn't make sense because Indy wouldn't have cleared the cap space to give him an offer sheet. If they offered a max S&T and we rejected Turner, they would have certainly known we would match and wouldn't have likely tied up cap space to give the offer. If they rejected a swap last summer, then given Turner played better and Ayton worse last year, it doesn't make sense they'd do it now.
The money thing actually is a big factor moving forward because the suns really should get under the 2nd apron sometime before 25/26. The 3 times in 5 years penalties are rough.
Swapping Aytons salary for Turners gives them a path to get under the second apron next summer. I don't think DA gets dealt but if he does I think that will actually be the main reason.
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How far above the apron are they? Too much to where the cap/tax level rising is faster than the increases in the top 4 players? Then Payne will expire too.
Of course depth with only minimum guys hurts. Not sure how much salary they could take back dealing Ayton to get under though.
We're likely to see a 10% increase in cap/tax/apron next season so yes faster than raises on contracts. We won't know exact numbers until next summer.
Turner will make just under $20mil in 24/25 and Ayton will make about $34 mil. That $14 mil could be enough to dip under and then maybe also do something like resign a guy like Okogie with bird rights.
Suns will be playing the vet minimum game every summer for the foreseeable future. Probably would be a good thing for someone like Yuta or KBD have a great year and get a nice contract with another team next summer. Agents and players will take notice and it makes it easier to grab more vet minimum guys.
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