Fry opting out?

[thamadkant]

I think it's a little too optimistic to assume Frye will sign a cheaper longer contract to stay with suns.

I can see some teams offer him 5 million plus for 2-3 years.
- Spurs could use him, replacement for Bonner. He'd fit like a glove there.
- Warriors would thrive with a big who spreads the defense a bit
- clippers can use him off the bench
- thunder would love him during small ball next to Ibaka or Durant, openning the key
- Bulls, potentially after they trade or use amnesty
- heat, could retool for one final year run before the big 3 part ways.

All the above are contenders who can provide same or bigger money than suns (potentially).
Frye is defensively a liability and isn't much outside of his perimeter shooting (when he isn't having a slump).
But during playoffs he can provide that extra spacer on a team looking for that extra advantage.

[floppymoose]

If the Warriors and Suns were interested in that why not just sign and trade Frye for Barnes? Frye should not make more than 4.5M$ in his first year and the Warriors could take back 150% of Barnes salary I thought.

I guess I'm just higher on Frye than most. I wasn't assuming his salary would be under 4.5 first year. As a decent big I figured something like 3 years 20 mill.

Also I think a Barnes downgrade makes more sense for the S&T than just trading Barnes for Frye outright, as the warriors have depth issues. Would you consider PJ Tucker for Barnes an upgrade for the Suns? (Not sure how much you like Tucker.) If so, doing that swap along with a Frye S&T seems fine to me.

[McStunna]

no, it is only an upgrade if Barnes suddenly starts fulfilling his potential. Otherweise Tucker is better.

[floppymoose]

Then perhaps Gerald Green.

[McStunna]

Also better than Barnes.

[floppymoose]

ok, nm. I guess GS should just see if he wants the MLE.

[BobbieL]

I think it's a little too optimistic to assume Frye will sign a cheaper longer contract to stay with suns.

I can see some teams offer him 5 million plus for 2-3 years.
- Spurs could use him, replacement for Bonner. He'd fit like a glove there.
- Warriors would thrive with a big who spreads the defense a bit
- clippers can use him off the bench
- thunder would love him during small ball next to Ibaka or Durant, openning the key
- Bulls, potentially after they trade or use amnesty
- heat, could retool for one final year run before the big 3 part ways.

All the above are contenders who can provide same or bigger money than suns (potentially).
Frye is defensively a liability and isn't much outside of his perimeter shooting (when he isn't having a slump).
But during playoffs he can provide that extra spacer on a team looking for that extra advantage.

The thunder is the team I would look at as a being the team that gets him. I think he would work perfect. I also think the Thunder might want Tucker to replace Thabo.

They can't get both of them unless they so a S&T with Phoenix and we aren't taking Perkins - so no soup for you.

Granted, Lamb and Jarrett for Tucker would have possibilities if losing Tucker would mean something back. Just no Perkins!

[Sreister]

ok, nm. I guess GS should just see if he wants the MLE.

I, for one, would not mind Barnes at all. Especially if we lose Frye to you guys, Barnes would fill a role for us for sure! Barnes has been stuck behind players during the time where he could have been given more minutes. Early on he didn't pan out, but once he started doing well, you guys signed Iggy. I think Barnes would be a great 3rd option for us! I'd do it, count me in!

[Miklo]

ok, nm. I guess GS should just see if he wants the MLE.

I, for one, would not mind Barnes at all. Especially if we lose Frye to you guys, Barnes would fill a role for us for sure! Barnes has been stuck behind players during the time where he could have been given more minutes. Early on he didn't pan out, but once he started doing well, you guys signed Iggy. I think Barnes would be a great 3rd option for us! I'd do it, count me in!

Yeah, I wouldn't be opposed to taking Barnes back especially compared to some of the value or lack thereof that we may find elsewhere in exchange for Frye. I think the main issue we would hit there is that Barnes is probably not the defender PJ is (as I've said elsewhere, I'm making no claim that PJ is a completely mind-blowing lockdown defender, but he fills a role), so we would still have to potentially get a defensive workhorse type of guy. Also not sure how Barnes would fit in with our draft strategy - if we were going to bring him in, I'd hate to do so and then draft someone who is going to be competing for minutes with him. That's how you end up with 2 guys not living up to their potential. But yeah, on its face, if we worked the rest of the pieces out properly, I definitely have interest in Barnes as a building block.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Rather keep Tucker, Green and Morris at SF. No interest whatsoever in Barnes.

[GrantHill]

Barnes has played his most effective games as a power forward (next to Bogut in last years playoff run). I'd definitley want him on our team!

[lilfishi22]

Even though Barnes has mostly been a let down, I still like him as a player. He has a strong work ethic, solid physicals and he's still fairly young.

[ATTL]

If our options are lose frye for nothing or get Barnes then I think getting Barnes would be a good deal. He's young, has shown promise, and still has room to improve. He'd do well playing for us.

[DRK]

I like Barnes over any other wing in this draft in our range (minus Kyle Anderson).

I'ld do Barnes for Frye in a second. Also gives us a cushion if Tucker leaves.

[Revived]

S&T him for Barnes.

I doubt GSW gives him up that easily but he could be a nice option at the 3. Loads of people hate him but the dude basically crushed it in the playoffs only for the team to go out and get Iggy - most young players would have acted how he did, whether we like to admit it or not.

He just needs confidence and an up and down system, he is a supreme athlete who can play and defend multiple positions - which is why I doubt Kerr wants him moved before he gets there, even for Frye - especially when they can sign him outright.

I'd love Barnes. The "prime McGrady" expectations will never be met but he can still turn into a better version of Trevor Ariza/Luol Deng.

[Sun Scorched]

Actually pretty scary how good Frye would be in SAS - have to figure they've thought the same thing.

PG - Parker
SG - Green
SF - Leonard
PF - Frye
C - Duncan

Bench - Ginobili, Mills, Splitter

That's another contender - yikes!

[rsavaj]

Frye's gonna be one of those dudes people won't appreciate until he's gone.

Hope he stays.

Kieff should replace him pretty easily. Not quite as good a shooter maybe but a much better all around player.

Kieff might be the better player but he's not a guy who will spread the floor. He had his best year mixing it up as a face-up guy in the paint.

[MilotheSlayer]

I wouldn't mind seeing a run a gun lineup of Bledsoe, Dragic, Green, Barnes, and Kieff or Plum. Something like that a few minutes a game would be deadly. That's a quick lineup and not terrible on D

[Revived]

Totally, why would a smart guy like McD want a guy on his team, who has made the team better every year he has been with the team.

Um McD IS smart, or at least A LOT smarter than you and that 's why Frye and his 3pt chucking a** isn't here any more. Please feel free to become a Magic fan, I am sure they will get a nice erection when you talk about Frye's +/- stats

Oh well, the fact still remains that Frye is one of the best role players we have, and he has made the team better consistently throughout his time here. The data backs that up, and the data is a significant sample size. All the teams know this, as well as the GMs. Our coach knew this, and that is why Frye started, and played 28 minutes per game. Now people can dispute all this with their opinions, but again, the facts trump the opinions every time.

We would be fools not to resign him, even if he was to be a bench player. I would be more pissed to see us trade him, for a door number three player, and watch him continue those large pluses for one of our opponents.

So you know more than Babby and McD who have both been apart of the NBA for longer than you have probably been alive?



Yes, McD and Babby are such "fools"

Me, Jiddy701, DRK, NaturalBuns, ginobiliflops, SSOL among others tried to tell you but you and your little internet crew of BH and grumpysaddle were too damn shallow to realize it.

I hope you learned from this.

[Revived]

Only person I feel bad for is Los Soles. I know he put in a ton of time trying to prove that Frye doesn't suck and everything only to see him leave. Wish you the best with the Magic my man, they got a nice young core over there with Oladipo, Harris, Harkless, Gordon etc.

At the end of the day, there's more to basketball than just +/- stats and bunch of advanced stats and that's why Frye is no longer here. I tried to explain that to you man.

I still expect you to root for the Suns in the West though!