The One And Only Offseason Thread 2

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

I don`t mind Isaiah Thomas on a reasonable deal but only as a sixth man, not as Bledsoe or Dragic replacement.

On the other side, I am very high on Tyler Ennis, he can be a leader of our bench with his maturity and intangibles.

Bledsoe/Thomas/Ennis
Dragic/Green/Goodwiin
Tucker/Warren/Marcus
Markieff
Plumlee/Len

Don't look right, do it?

[WeekapaugGroove]

I really doubt we do a Bledsoe sign and trade. I honestly think it's much more likely Goran gets traded. I look at it like this. Bledsoe was mcds first major acquisition so I think there's some attachment there, plus the suns control the situation with him and can have him locked up long term. Goran wasn't brought in by mcd so no attachment there plus he can leave for nothing after this upcoming season and his trade value right now is as high as its ever been. I just don't see us dealing Bledsoe then having the very real possibility of losing dragic for nothing after the season.

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[JMac1]

I really doubt we do a Bledsoe sign and trade. I honestly think it's much more likely Goran gets traded. I look at it like this. Bledsoe was mcds first major acquisition so I think there's some attachment there, plus the suns control the situation with him and can have him locked up long term. Goran wasn't brought in by mcd so no attachment there plus he can leave for nothing after this upcoming season and his trade value right now is as high as its ever been. I just don't see us dealing Bledsoe then having the very real possibility of losing dragic for nothing after the season.

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Yea. Bledsoe is four years younger. He can grow with Archie, Len, and Warren and still give us something today.

[RunDogGun]

I don`t mind Isaiah Thomas on a reasonable deal but only as a sixth man, not as Bledsoe or Dragic replacement.

On the other side, I am very high on Tyler Ennis, he can be a leader of our bench with his maturity and intangibles.

Bledsoe/Thomas/Ennis
Dragic/Green/Goodwiin
Tucker/Warren/Marcus
Markieff
Plumlee/Len

Don't look right, do it?

It really all depends on if Jeff plays either or both Marcus/ Warren at the four sometimes. Both Green and Goodwin can play sf as well. After that, it would depend on what combo works best when playing along side of either Bledsoe or Dragic, when one of the two is resting.

[RunDogGun]

I really doubt we do a Bledsoe sign and trade. I honestly think it's much more likely Goran gets traded. I look at it like this. Bledsoe was mcds first major acquisition so I think there's some attachment there, plus the suns control the situation with him and can have him locked up long term. Goran wasn't brought in by mcd so no attachment there plus he can leave for nothing after this upcoming season and his trade value right now is as high as its ever been. I just don't see us dealing Bledsoe then having the very real possibility of losing dragic for nothing after the season.

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It really depends on whether they have already talked to Goran. If he wants to be a Sun for life, might change things. I think Jeff really likes Goran, and seems like the right fit for the system.

If the team feels that a mini max is too much for Bledsoe, but realize that other teams might think he is, there could be good chances to solidify other positions, while grabbing more assets.

I would still rather have both Dragon and Bled, but if we don't, I'd like to see how good we can make the team in more of a silent way.

[Ryu]

I don`t mind Isaiah Thomas on a reasonable deal but only as a sixth man, not as Bledsoe or Dragic replacement.

On the other side, I am very high on Tyler Ennis, he can be a leader of our bench with his maturity and intangibles.

Bledsoe/Thomas/Ennis
Dragic/Green/Goodwiin
Tucker/Warren/Marcus
Markieff
Plumlee/Len

Don't look right, do it?

Yep, backcourt is too crowded. I`d be perfectly fine with Bledsoe/Dragic/Green/Goodwin/Ennis.

There is room for Thomas only if somebody get traded and I don`t want to move any of guys above for him.

[JMac1]

I really doubt we do a Bledsoe sign and trade. I honestly think it's much more likely Goran gets traded. I look at it like this. Bledsoe was mcds first major acquisition so I think there's some attachment there, plus the suns control the situation with him and can have him locked up long term. Goran wasn't brought in by mcd so no attachment there plus he can leave for nothing after this upcoming season and his trade value right now is as high as its ever been. I just don't see us dealing Bledsoe then having the very real possibility of losing dragic for nothing after the season.

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It really depends on whether they have already talked to Goran. If he wants to be a Sun for life, might change things. I think Jeff really likes Goran, and seems like the right fit for the system.

If the team feels that a mini max is too much for Bledsoe, but realize that other teams might think he is, there could be good chances to solidify other positions, while grabbing more assets.

I would still rather have both Dragon and Bled, but if we don't, I'd like to see how good we can make the team in more of a silent way.

See that goes both ways. Yea, he wants to be a Sun for life, at his price. If he doesn't want to be a Sun at our price, then you trade him, period. If Goran wants max money next year he doesn't care where he plays....thus we can trade him anytime and anywhere and not have to feel bad about it as if we betrayed him after he came back.

Professional sports are a business and I care about the Phoenix Suns being better more than I do any player feeling slighted. If we have to trade Goran or Eric because they both want to get paid, we make the best deal possible going forward for the Suns not those guys.

[WeekapaugGroove]

I really doubt we do a Bledsoe sign and trade. I honestly think it's much more likely Goran gets traded. I look at it like this. Bledsoe was mcds first major acquisition so I think there's some attachment there, plus the suns control the situation with him and can have him locked up long term. Goran wasn't brought in by mcd so no attachment there plus he can leave for nothing after this upcoming season and his trade value right now is as high as its ever been. I just don't see us dealing Bledsoe then having the very real possibility of losing dragic for nothing after the season.

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It really depends on whether they have already talked to Goran. If he wants to be a Sun for life, might change things. I think Jeff really likes Goran, and seems like the right fit for the system.

If the team feels that a mini max is too much for Bledsoe, but realize that other teams might think he is, there could be good chances to solidify other positions, while grabbing more assets.

I would still rather have both Dragon and Bled, but if we don't, I'd like to see how good we can make the team in more of a silent way.

I'm not saying dragic doesn't want to be in Phoenix but realistically he's going to do what's best for himself next summer. Same with fry this summer; I remember people saying "hell won't leave hell sign a reasonable deal to stay because he's a local guy" well the reality is there is no such thing as a home town discount and guys should and do go get what's best for them. Unless he has a bad injury dragic is opting out next summer and will be looking for a huge contract. Once he opts the suns have zero control and face a real possibility of losing him for nothing.

I think it's much more likely they would consider a 24 yr old Bledsoe more of a long term core piece than a 28 year old dragic.

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[Frank Lee]

I really doubt we do a Bledsoe sign and trade. I honestly think it's much more likely Goran gets traded. I look at it like this. Bledsoe was mcds first major acquisition so I think there's some attachment there, plus the suns control the situation with him and can have him locked up long term. Goran wasn't brought in by mcd so no attachment there plus he can leave for nothing after this upcoming season and his trade value right now is as high as its ever been. I just don't see us dealing Bledsoe then having the very real possibility of losing dragic for nothing after the season.

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Thats one way to look at it.... but being the Dragon Fan that I am, here is my take....

Bledsoe is holding out for a max deal, or as much as he can get. No harm there, though it does send a message that he has no real ties to Phnx. If he signs an offer sheet for an amount that is beyond his worth... (I estimate his Market Value to be equal to KLowrey/Tor) McDo will then consider all trade options. If one is suitable, Bledsoe will be dealt. This trade is a great opportunity to receive a quality player(s) (better than what is available w the dwindling list of FAs who will play here) and possibly draft picks. McDo is all about asset accumulation. Very similar to his mentor... Ainge.

By trading Bledsoe, McDo officially makes this Goran Dragic's team. It is a solid commitment to a solid player who wanted to be a Sun (again). I don't know the particulars with the Capology, but if possible, you tear up Dragic's current deal and bump him up into the 12-13 range ASAP. Lock him up.

I believe Bledsoe may be more marketable than Goran at this point, or at least more available. Sure, there is interest in GD, but he will need to be re-signed very soon, where as, Bledsoe will have a structured price tag/duration already agreed upon.

The only drawback in all this is the actual interest in Bled.... I mean if LA or Miami comes calling, there is essentially nothing on their rosters that comes close to being equitable to Bled.... and that seems real likely. In that case, if no other deals are out there, our hand may be forced.

[BobbieL]

I really doubt we do a Bledsoe sign and trade. I honestly think it's much more likely Goran gets traded. I look at it like this. Bledsoe was mcds first major acquisition so I think there's some attachment there, plus the suns control the situation with him and can have him locked up long term. Goran wasn't brought in by mcd so no attachment there plus he can leave for nothing after this upcoming season and his trade value right now is as high as its ever been. I just don't see us dealing Bledsoe then having the very real possibility of losing dragic for nothing after the season.

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Thats one way to look at it.... but being the Dragon Fan that I am, here is my take....

Bledsoe is holding out for a max deal, or as much as he can get. No harm there, though it does send a message that he has no real ties to Phnx. If he signs an offer sheet for an amount that is beyond his worth... (I estimate his Market Value to be equal to KLowrey/Tor) McDo will then consider all trade options. If one is suitable, Bledsoe will be dealt. This trade is a great opportunity to receive a quality player(s) (better than what is available w the dwindling list of FAs who will play here) and possibly draft picks. McDo is all about asset accumulation. Very similar to his mentor... Ainge.

By trading Bledsoe, McDo officially makes this Goran Dragic's team. It is a solid commitment to a solid player who wanted to be a Sun (again). I don't know the particulars with the Capology, but if possible, you tear up Dragic's current deal and bump him up into the 12-13 range ASAP. Lock him up.

I believe Bledsoe may be more marketable than Goran at this point, or at least more available. Sure, there is interest in GD, but he will need to be re-signed very soon, where as, Bledsoe will have a structured price tag/duration already agreed upon.

The only drawback in all this is the actual interest in Bled.... I mean if LA or Miami comes calling, there is essentially nothing on their rosters that comes close to being equitable to Bled.... and that seems real likely. In that case, if no other deals are out there, our hand may be forced.

I agree with this. The only thing the Heat and Lakers have are picks but neither team needs to do a sign and trade either - unless they want to Max Bledsoe for the full five years. Granted, already have the Lakers top 5 protected pick

I also think Bledsoes value is closer to 4/48 than the 4/63 - maybe 4/54 range

[WeekapaugGroove]

Here's the other thing if teams truly thought there was a chance the suns wouldn't match a Bledsoe max offer sheet he would have signed one by now.



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[BobbieL]

Here's the other thing if teams truly thought there was a chance the suns wouldn't match a Bledsoe max offer sheet he would have signed one by now.



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Not true - Frank above mentioned the Lakers and Heat: if the Lakers lose out on Melo, they have a ton of cap space; if the Heat lose on Lebron (which means Bosh) - they have a ton of cap space.

Bledsoe is very smart to not sign anything until Bosh, James and Anthony are done

[Puff]

Here's the other thing if teams truly thought there was a chance the suns wouldn't match a Bledsoe max offer sheet he would have signed one by now.



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Not really. The teams that are in need of a point guard and have money generally are also part of the Lebron waiting game, specifically the Lakers and the Heat. We also gain nothing by signing him at this point in the game. Once Lebron makes his decision we will find out what Bledsoe's true value is.

The quiet surrounding Bledsoe though is pretty amazing.

[SSOL]

From Coro's article today - I thought this paragraph was telling about how the Suns will do business - maybe this is Sarver or maybe its fiscal pragmatism from Ryan McD (hoping the latter with common sense):



Tucker could have signed an offer sheet with another team and forced the Suns to match it, but the Suns said they would try to pursue deals with Tucker and Eric Bledsoe, another restricted free agent, before they agreed to offer sheets. The Suns' salary-cap room remains high until they sign because Tucker's and Bledsoe's cap holds are much lower than their first-year contract salaries will be.

http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/n ... /12502407/

So, if Bledsoe or Tuck got an offer sheet, Suns would do a sign and trade.

That is not, at all, what that means. You are misinterpreting the word "deals." Replace that word with "contracts" and re-read. Basically, the Suns said they would try and work out "contracts" with Bledsoe and Tucker before they signed an offer elsewhere so they could preserve their ability to spend.

[BobbieL]

From Coro's article today - I thought this paragraph was telling about how the Suns will do business - maybe this is Sarver or maybe its fiscal pragmatism from Ryan McD (hoping the latter with common sense):



Tucker could have signed an offer sheet with another team and forced the Suns to match it, but the Suns said they would try to pursue deals with Tucker and Eric Bledsoe, another restricted free agent, before they agreed to offer sheets. The Suns' salary-cap room remains high until they sign because Tucker's and Bledsoe's cap holds are much lower than their first-year contract salaries will be.

http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/n ... /12502407/

So, if Bledsoe or Tuck got an offer sheet, Suns would do a sign and trade.

That is not, at all, what that means. You are misinterpreting the word "deals." Replace that word with "contracts" and re-read. Basically, the Suns said they would try and work out "contracts" with Bledsoe and Tucker before they signed an offer elsewhere so they could preserve their ability to spend.

thanks for clarifying

I even read that over a few times to make sure I read it correctly and alas, I did not.

[Frank Lee]

The whole FA game has been caught in the LeBron Domino effect. His delay is either super egotistical, or a subtle strategy he has arranged with his chosen GM, as they could be buying time to let the ring chasers line up and just to screw up the timing of other squads.

Probably a combo of both.



My Bledsoe deals....?
To Detroit >>>>
Bled for Monroe straight up
Bled for Josh Smith and a lightly protected 1st.
Seems like somebody needs to go in motorcity

To Milwaukeee* / Minnesota
Bled to the Bucks
Henson/Knight/Milwaukee 1st/LA 1st to Minnesota
Love/and may be Martin to Phnx

To Sactown
Bled for Stauskas/Jason Thompson or?/ Future 1st
we then sign Thomas too.




*notice I left out Illysova :-0

[WeekapaugGroove]

From Coro's article today - I thought this paragraph was telling about how the Suns will do business - maybe this is Sarver or maybe its fiscal pragmatism from Ryan McD (hoping the latter with common sense):



Tucker could have signed an offer sheet with another team and forced the Suns to match it, but the Suns said they would try to pursue deals with Tucker and Eric Bledsoe, another restricted free agent, before they agreed to offer sheets. The Suns' salary-cap room remains high until they sign because Tucker's and Bledsoe's cap holds are much lower than their first-year contract salaries will be.

http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/n ... /12502407/

So, if Bledsoe or Tuck got an offer sheet, Suns would do a sign and trade.

That is not, at all, what that means. You are misinterpreting the word "deals." Replace that word with "contracts" and re-read. Basically, the Suns said they would try and work out "contracts" with Bledsoe and Tucker before they signed an offer elsewhere so they could preserve their ability to spend.

exactly! It's in the suns best interest to work out contracts with both Bledsoe and tucker because they can keep the small cap holds and pursue other deals. Tucker won't actually sign his contract until all the dust settles in free agency and trades; until he actually signs the contract his cap hold is tiny and gives phoenix added flexibly.

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[Frank Lee]

From Coro's article today - I thought this paragraph was telling about how the Suns will do business - maybe this is Sarver or maybe its fiscal pragmatism from Ryan McD (hoping the latter with common sense):



Tucker could have signed an offer sheet with another team and forced the Suns to match it, but the Suns said they would try to pursue deals with Tucker and Eric Bledsoe, another restricted free agent, before they agreed to offer sheets. The Suns' salary-cap room remains high until they sign because Tucker's and Bledsoe's cap holds are much lower than their first-year contract salaries will be.

http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/n ... /12502407/

So, if Bledsoe or Tuck got an offer sheet, Suns would do a sign and trade.

That is not, at all, what that means. You are misinterpreting the word "deals." Replace that word with "contracts" and re-read. Basically, the Suns said they would try and work out "contracts" with Bledsoe and Tucker before they signed an offer elsewhere so they could preserve their ability to spend.

exactly! It's in the suns best interest to work out contracts with both Bledsoe and tucker because they can keep the small cap holds and pursue other deals. Tucker won't actually sign his contract until all the dust settles in free agency and trades; until he actually signs the contract his cap hold is tiny and gives phoenix added flexibly.

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Lets just hope Bled is reasonable and signs on for a deal similar/identical to Lowry.... THAT is his market value.

[SSOL]

The thing with Bled is, he has to be on board with McD's plan to wait like this. I think we just need to be patient, even though it's difficult.

[WeekapaugGroove]

The thing with Bled is, he has to be on board with McD's plan to wait like this. I think we just need to be patient, even though it's difficult.

I think the fact that we haven't heard of Bledsoe even visiting another team is a good sign that he's on board with waiting this out. It wouldnt surprise me at all if the suns and him already have the parameters of a 5 year deal worked out.

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