Offseason Thread 6: The Not So Mexican Stand-off Continues

[Christine-In-AZ]

I think Zoran is a small forward.

I wouldn't mind the Suns buying out his contract and over paying him now, simply as an effort in the coming Goran free agency. The Suns can't even attempt to extend Goran until next June...and will probably have to "win" him as a true FA.

[deb]

Also, Zoran is sg/sf tweener, not pg/sg. He's 1.96 m tall, which is 6 feet 5 inches + some change.

[sunsbum]

You guys are silly. Goran isn't going anywhere with or without zoran here.

[rsavaj]

Not that I'm high on Randle as a prospect but that deal with the Lakers doesn't sound like a bad idea anymore.

[RunDogGun]

Can't hurt to bring him in at the fifteenth spot. Teams rarely keep that many, so it wouldn't hurt us much. We need to get to the min salary anyway, and he would be a great practice player, and a positive for Goran. Plus it gives us room to make trades that may concern other guards that teams covet. And we could always move Green to SF, so we don't need another one of those like you said.

Saying that in no way means I'm a fanboy. Using a term like that to justify yourself seems Mad to me.

I remember Zoran saying in an interview that he doesn't want to come to the NBA just because he's Goran's brother. If he ever makes it to the NBA, he wants it to be because he's good enough, on his own merit. So he probably isn't all that interested in Phoenix, where he would always be known as Dragic jr.
He also signed a new multi-year contract with Unicaja, although he has a buyout clause, reported to be around 1 million dollars.

Also he is really more of aguard-forward and can play against smaller sfs in the league...

It would be on his own merits, for I've seen no one suggest we get him just because his last name is the same as our best player.

[RunDogGun]

Pretty sure Zoran has a contract in Europe and I doubt he'd leave unless his NBA contract was guaranteed, not as a 15th man.

He does have one with Malaga, and being the fifteenth player doesn't mean he wouldn't see playing time. I just meant in means of how many we have, not really his position bench-wise. I think he is in the mold of Hornacek, and could thrive under Jeff. If he continues the way he is going, he could make himself a rotational player. He plays with heart, and from what I have seen, a fairly smart player.

[carey]

I think Zoran is a small forward.

I wouldn't mind the Suns buying out his contract and over paying him now, simply as an effort in the coming Goran free agency. The Suns can't even attempt to extend Goran until next June...and will probably have to "win" him as a true FA.

As I said before, Goran is not extending. He will opt out and re-sign probably around $14Million a year in the Summer.

[deb]

It would be on his own merits, for I've seen no one suggest we get him just because his last name is the same as our best player.

I get the feeling posters here, at least in part, want to sign Zoran as a way to smoothen contract negotiations with Goran next season:

I wouldn't mind the Suns buying out his contract and over paying him now, simply as an effort in the coming Goran free agency. The Suns can't even attempt to extend Goran until next June...and will probably have to "win" him as a true FA.

[BurningHeart]

I want Zoran regardless because I think he can be a good player. Him being a "Dragic" only helps things on my end.

[Damkac]

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Warren will be rated 72 and Ennis 71

[Christine-In-AZ]

I think Zoran is a small forward.

I wouldn't mind the Suns buying out his contract and over paying him now, simply as an effort in the coming Goran free agency. The Suns can't even attempt to extend Goran until next June...and will probably have to "win" him as a true FA.

As I said before, Goran is not extending. He will opt out and re-sign probably around $14Million a year in the Summer.

That's what I really meant by "probably have to win him as a true FA" ...he's (understandably) opting out. But! I think you're rather low on the 14 million per. Unless (and you'd know) there's a CBA $$ restriction, Goran Dragic is going to get 4/68 or even 4/78 offers next summer. 17 to 19+ million per year...just one of the many reasons "we" can not give Bledsoe the numbers he's asking.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

I think Zoran is a small forward.

I wouldn't mind the Suns buying out his contract and over paying him now, simply as an effort in the coming Goran free agency. The Suns can't even attempt to extend Goran until next June...and will probably have to "win" him as a true FA.

As I said before, Goran is not extending. He will opt out and re-sign probably around $14Million a year in the Summer.

That's what I really meant by "probably have to win him as a true FA" ...he's (understandably) opting out. But! I think you're rather low on the 14 million per. Unless (and you'd know) there's a CBA $$ restriction, Goran Dragic is going to get 4/68 or even 4/78 offers next summer. 17 to 19+ million per year...just one of the many reasons "we" can not give Bledsoe the numbers he's asking.

We're not going to set the market for Goran with Eric's contract. If Goran gets an offer for $17, whether or not we have Eric under contract, I think we let him walk.

[Sunsdeuce]

As I said before, Goran is not extending. He will opt out and re-sign probably around $14Million a year in the Summer.

That's what I really meant by "probably have to win him as a true FA" ...he's (understandably) opting out. But! I think you're rather low on the 14 million per. Unless (and you'd know) there's a CBA $$ restriction, Goran Dragic is going to get 4/68 or even 4/78 offers next summer. 17 to 19+ million per year...just one of the many reasons "we" can not give Bledsoe the numbers he's asking.

We're not going to set the market for Goran with Eric'scontract. If Goran gets an offer for $17, whether or not we have Eric under contract, I think we let him walk.

The suns will let Bledsoe walk wayyyyyyy before they let dragic walk.


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[Christine-In-AZ]

As I said before, Goran is not extending. He will opt out and re-sign probably around $14Million a year in the Summer.

That's what I really meant by "probably have to win him as a true FA" ...he's (understandably) opting out. But! I think you're rather low on the 14 million per. Unless (and you'd know) there's a CBA $$ restriction, Goran Dragic is going to get 4/68 or even 4/78 offers next summer. 17 to 19+ million per year...just one of the many reasons "we" can not give Bledsoe the numbers he's asking.

We're not going to set the market for Goran with Eric's contract. If Goran gets an offer for $17, whether or not we have Eric under contract, I think we let him walk.

If what you say is true, the Suns are going to become the Oakland A's of the NBA in the years to come...unable to keep(pay) top talent.

By '16-'17 or '18, average NBA starters will probably be making 8 to 12m per. Top 30s (all-stars) 13 to 19m and superstars (top 6 or 8) 20 to 30m.

[kingstyyyle]

That's what I really meant by "probably have to win him as a true FA" ...he's (understandably) opting out. But! I think you're rather low on the 14 million per. Unless (and you'd know) there's a CBA $$ restriction, Goran Dragic is going to get 4/68 or even 4/78 offers next summer. 17 to 19+ million per year...just one of the many reasons "we" can not give Bledsoe the numbers he's asking.

We're not going to set the market for Goran with Eric's contract. If Goran gets an offer for $17, whether or not we have Eric under contract, I think we let him walk.

If what you say is true, the Suns are going to become the Oakland A's of the NBA in the years to come...unable to keep(pay) top talent.

By '16-'17 or '18, average NBA starters will probably be making 8 to 12m per. Top 30s (all-stars) 13 to 19m and superstars (top 6 or 8) 20 to 30m.

Exactly. Bledsoe can accept the 12 because he's a starter and not an all-star

[NBA Fiend]

I think I finally figured out what LeBron wants.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=nvh9ejp

[King4Day]

I think I finally figured out what LeBron wants.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=nvh9ejp

Irving is a great player but I'd be afraid to give someone that injury prone that much money. He doesn't play D. Dare I say, i'd rather just give Bledsoe his 5 year max.

[SunsFanSSOL]

Why don't we just spend the rest of our $19m of cap space on Goran and Zoran Dragic? No point in taking any risks, or spending any money that would potentially hurt our valued position as 9th seed in the West. The marketing team and Sarver's dream: "Come see the Phoenix Suns, the team with the identical twin Morris bros, the 9 fingered high flyer Gerald Green, the shortest player in the NBA Isaiah Thomas and the Euro bros with the weirdly similar names Goran and Zoran compete for the 9th seed!"

[bwgood77]

Revised Bucks offer:

Kris Middleton, Ersan Ilyasova and the 2017 lotto protected first Bucks just got from the Clippers for Bledsoe signed to 4/$63 deal.

Ask anyone here, I'm the most realistic trade proposer on these boards probably and I think that trade is total dog doo.

You seem to think we underrate him as a player because we drew a line in the sand over how much we think he should sign for. We are quite aware of how good of a player he is. We aren't going to take Middleton, an overpaid Ily, and a pick outside the lotto in 3 years. You can't honestly believe that's fair market value.

If you're intent on us taking Middleton you're also going to have to give us a pick that will be unprotected (or very minimally protected like top 3), one of Henson / Knight, and no Ily. We're both far enough under the cap where the salaries shouldn't be an issue but I'd have to look to make certain and I don't feel like it.

Funny thing is, Middleton is the guy I would want most off that roster outside of the two obvious people, because he is cheap and gives us insurance on losing Green. He was awful good in some games this past year, especially being so young.

I agree with your post though. We would need a pick with less protection, and probably Knight. I don't care for Henson. I wouldn't totally mind Illy if he was healthy, but probably not.

[bwgood77]

For what its worth:
I just watched the Simmons podcast with Jalen (and Jacoby). Jalen said that Bledsoe + pieces for Irving might be a scenario to look at which I d be happy about generaly - depending on the extra pieces. It might make some sense for Cleveland becouse they seem to have defensive issues at guard (on paper as we havent seen them play yet), and becouse Kyrie is a fairly ball dominant player - not too useful with LeBron and Love.

Although Jalen said look for this as the season evolves, so I don't think he thought about Bledsoes QO and the fact that this trade would be fairly impossible after that - or he thought that Bledsoe will take a deal here, and then we throw in guys to make salaries match, but they didnt specify.

Anyways I d be happy with something like: Bled+Green (or a cpl heavily protected picks) for Irving.

I really wouldn't want the Suns to be committed to Irving for $18 million a year for the next 5 years. I certainly wouldn't give anything more than Bledsoe for him. You could do worse, but he seems a little to Marbury-ish to me.

The main reason I might do it is if we thought he had trade value and then we could test him with Dragic.